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That's why I'm a friend and not acting as a "consultant".

Beleive me, she'll pay me back in sandwiches, filet mignon and quiche a bunch of times over happy I can always count on her for a good deal for a party happy
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Crapware  MC_z | 07/01/09
Consider this  jperlow ZDNet Moderator | 07/01/09
If you had billed Christine for your time...  msalzberg | 07/01/09
You don't want to know. happy  jperlow ZDNet Moderator | 07/01/09
I followed your link...  msalzberg | 07/01/09
Oh dear  fr0thy2 | 07/02/09
Or calculate the opportunity cost  Richard Flude | 07/01/09
How is this unique to the PC?  ye | 07/01/09
If it was a 7-year old Mac  jperlow ZDNet Moderator | 07/01/09
Your pants must be too tight...  MC_z | 07/01/09
So you would have recommend she replace the Mac too? (nt)  ye | 07/01/09
@MC_z  nizuse | 07/01/09
Tight Pants?  jperlow ZDNet Moderator | 07/01/09
Let's look  Richard Flude | 07/01/09
@jason...  msalzberg | 07/01/09
reply to msalzberg  jperlow ZDNet Moderator | 07/01/09
@reply to msalzberg  Richard Flude | 07/01/09
jason, jason  elllroy | 07/02/09
@Jason: More on your breeches  MC_z | 07/02/09
Read the article!  john_gillespie@... | 07/02/09
Not much.  Bruizer | 07/02/09
Yep, ATA, SATA and EIDE are pretty esoteric.  Bruizer | 07/02/09
Old Mac to New Mac - Issue or NOT  ArrowQuick | 07/03/09
Let's compare  Richard Flude | 07/01/09
@MC_z "re: @Jason: More on your breeches "  kaninelupus | 07/02/09
Real problems  tonymcs@... | 07/02/09
same?  john_gillespie@... | 07/02/09
Considered  MC_z | 07/01/09
I'm still confused  daengbo | 07/02/09
Um, seven year-old laptops  philipralban@... | 07/03/09
Mac v. PC redux dux dux dux  DannyO_0x98 | 07/01/09
How much would it have cost?  john_gillespie@... | 07/02/09
Training and Support  jperlow ZDNet Moderator | 07/02/09
LOL! Well, more proof that  GuidingLight | 07/01/09
re:LOL! Well, more proof that you are clueless  n0neXn0ne | 07/01/09
Spell Checking  DannyO_0x98 | 07/01/09
you get what you pay for  elllroy | 07/01/09
If you think thats bad  joeibanez2000@... | 07/02/09
Simple solution  johnnyf | 07/03/09
The first application I ever run when setting up a Windows Box is...  Letophoro | 07/01/09
... the Windows installer  ChiperSoft | 07/01/09
A good idea...  msalzberg | 07/01/09
eh?  magallanes | 07/02/09
The problem with that is using the OEM supplied media.  Letophoro | 07/01/09
Reinstall crapware...  JoeMama_z | 07/01/09
I hate that crap  snafu_77 | 07/01/09
By reformatting and reinstalling...  msalzberg | 07/01/09
Yeah but the time spent  snafu_77 | 07/01/09
Point was - you shouldn't NEED to do a reinstall  BillDem | 07/01/09
Of course, but  Nitz_Walsh | 07/02/09
And this is why I assemble my own desktops  sirwriter | 07/29/09
Simple Solutions  tom@... | 07/30/09
...and you didn't even mention all the lovely stickers  andrew.nusca ZDNet Moderator | 07/01/09
Well true...  Sleeper Service | 07/01/09
experiment  elllroy | 07/02/09
Not at an Apple store  zenwalker | 07/04/09
Yeah, those stickers on the top of the notebooks  Lerianis10 | 07/05/09
I love crapware and want more!  pjotr123 | 07/01/09
I agree with most of this  cgarrett | 07/06/09
Why are you complaining?  pupkin_z | 07/01/09
When Dell or HP or another vendor invents an ecommerce web site  jperlow ZDNet Moderator | 07/01/09
the point is  pupkin_z | 07/02/09
Whoa dude!  zenwalker | 07/04/09
The fact is that most of the 'crapware'  Lerianis10 | 07/01/09
Huh?  msalzberg | 07/01/09
It isn't ALWAYS a money factor.  Sephoroth | 07/01/09
Send me the deed then  Lerianis10 | 07/01/09
One.....  zenwalker | 07/04/09
A good reason to never hire you  frgough | 07/01/09
I am being kind  jperlow ZDNet Moderator | 07/01/09
Spare me the histrionics  frgough | 07/01/09
CD's  jperlow ZDNet Moderator | 07/01/09
To which you pull out one of the CDs you brought and use it...  ye | 07/01/09
Circular argument  jperlow ZDNet Moderator | 07/01/09
Use an OEM CD. Any one should work.  ye | 07/01/09
You did not address  jperlow ZDNet Moderator | 07/01/09
@jperlow: Why should I? Just use the key from the sticker affixed...  ye | 07/02/09
why so belligerent frgough?  amoses | 07/02/09
I'm with you on the backup  Oreamnos_americanus | 07/07/09
And besides  zenwalker | 07/04/09
My thoughts exactly. (nt)  ye | 07/01/09
Really?  jperlow ZDNet Moderator | 07/01/09
What was questionable about it?  ye | 07/01/09
The point of this article  jperlow ZDNet Moderator | 07/01/09
I understand what the point of the article was.  ye | 07/01/09
What about....  jperlow ZDNet Moderator | 07/01/09
@jperlow: Nothing that a little compressed air couldn't clean up.  ye | 07/01/09
Compressed air?  jperlow ZDNet Moderator | 07/01/09
@jperlow: Yes Jason, compressed air.  ye | 07/01/09
Ye, nicotine can only come off with trichloroethane III  osreinstall | 07/01/09
@osreinstall: Please!  ye | 07/01/09
Unneccesary Replacement?  jperlow ZDNet Moderator | 07/01/09
Depends on how clean you want it.  osreinstall | 07/01/09
@jperlow: The system already has an XP license.  ye | 07/01/09
@osreinstall: It doesn't need to be squeaky clean.  ye | 07/01/09
It has to be at least very clean.  osreinstall | 07/01/09
@osreinstall: No, it does not.  ye | 07/01/09
@Ye  nizuse | 07/01/09
Yes it does, Ye.  osreinstall | 07/01/09
@osreinstall: This is a small business.  ye | 07/01/09
I wouldn't hire you either, Ye.  osreinstall | 07/01/09
@osreinstall: You know this how?  ye | 07/02/09
Experience.  osreinstall | 07/02/09
@osreinstall: My experience shows otherwise.  ye | 07/02/09
Hobby knowledge doesn't count.  osreinstall | 07/02/09
@osreinstall: Hobby knowledge?  ye | 07/02/09
Pretty much in your case.  osreinstall | 07/02/09
@osreinstall: What's pretty much my case?  ye | 07/02/09
Hobby knowledge. You don't listen too well.  osreinstall | 07/02/09
@osreinstall: You've got it backwards.  ye | 07/02/09
You are backwards  osreinstall | 07/02/09
@osreinstall: Here's the reality.  ye | 07/02/09
Your reality is out there.  osreinstall | 07/02/09
@osreinstall: Yeah, the disservice of saving her $700.  ye | 07/02/09
You only postponed it by 6 months tops.  osreinstall | 07/02/09
Take a look near the bottom, I think we may have been had.  Economister | 07/02/09
Where did I ever say anything about tearing it down?  ye | 07/03/09
You have to, to get the varnish out.  osreinstall | 07/03/09
@osreinstall: No, you don't.  ye | 07/03/09
OH, yes you do Ye  osreinstall | 07/03/09
@osreinstall: Oh no you don't.  ye | 07/03/09
Oh yes you do ye.  osreinstall | 07/03/09
@osreinstall: Oh no you don't.  ye | 07/03/09
Yes you do ye.  osreinstall | 07/03/09
@osreinstall: I'm glad you asked:  ye | 07/03/09
Varnish blobs have to be removed.  osreinstall | 07/06/09
You're logic is...  thx-1138_@... | 07/05/09
My Logic Is Very Simple  jperlow ZDNet Moderator | 07/05/09
JP: That's not logic...  thx-1138_@... | 07/05/09
Jason, Jason, Jason  Economister | 07/05/09
Where's Franz Kafka when you need him  jperlow ZDNet Moderator | 07/05/09
New Score:  nizuse | 07/05/09
Hilarious!  Zogg | 07/06/09
A bit different tact...  wolftalamasca | 07/01/09
I have to disagree.  ye | 07/01/09
Server? PC?  jperlow ZDNet Moderator | 07/01/09
space can always be an issue  wolftalamasca | 07/01/09
I certainly wouldn't trust my data...  msalzberg | 07/01/09
Right  frgough | 07/01/09
Right  Core2uu | 07/01/09
How was it about to die???  ye | 07/01/09
Are you out of your mind?  essdee | 07/01/09
ye  Economister | 07/01/09
QuickBooks offers an online backup service.  ye | 07/02/09
@essdee: I deal with people like his friend all the time.  ye | 07/02/09
Replacing a 7 y.o. laptop  wolf_z | 07/02/09
@wolf_z: It wouldn't boot because the OS was "stuffed up".  ye | 07/02/09
Like rolling the dice  essdee | 07/02/09
@Ye  wolf_z | 07/03/09
@wolf_z: The article said "dusty piece of junk".  ye | 07/03/09
She didin't need all that the extra gizmondos  krylos | 07/04/09
Hey, I'd take it.  TripleII | 07/01/09
@ frgough  kaninelupus | 07/02/09
Why? The current system was doing everything just fine.  ye | 07/03/09
I Agree!  NStalnecker | 07/01/09
"The thing took two whole minutes to boot up!"  nizuse | 07/01/09
Funny  NStalnecker | 07/01/09
Yeah rub it in!  nizuse | 07/01/09
but...  Nitz_Walsh | 07/01/09
My HP did have all the crap on a 2nd disc  t_mohajir | 07/01/09
Agreed, for the most part.  Nitz_Walsh | 07/01/09
1 Hour  jperlow ZDNet Moderator | 07/01/09
Make sure you have another computer handy...  urbandk | 07/01/09
RE: PC OEMs: Please Cut the Crap!  gotamd@... | 07/01/09
Jason, Jason, Jason...  itpro_z | 07/01/09
Again....  jperlow ZDNet Moderator | 07/01/09
Reply  itpro_z | 07/01/09
Impulse?  jperlow ZDNet Moderator | 07/01/09
Yes  itpro_z | 07/01/09
The machine...  jperlow ZDNet Moderator | 07/01/09
Could not resist.  Economister | 07/01/09
@Economister: The only time hardware is not replaced is when...  ye | 07/01/09
Jason's friend is a caterer...  msalzberg | 07/01/09
Yup  jperlow ZDNet Moderator | 07/01/09
@jason...  msalzberg | 07/01/09
And that's the point  MC_z | 07/01/09
That's why I go white-box, not Dell  cjcoats | 07/01/09
The order of steps for a new pc  xXSpeedzXx | 07/01/09
Nice but....  zenwalker | 07/04/09
RE: PC OEMs: Please Cut the Crap!  Nitz_Walsh | 07/01/09
RE: PC OEMs: Please Cut the Crap!  joemun | 07/01/09
Somebody start www.CLEANPCs.com...  BillDem | 07/01/09
And they will buy....  Nitz_Walsh | 07/01/09
RE: PC OEMs: Please Cut the Crap!  hami77 | 07/01/09
Cearly Sir,  Aussie_Troll | 07/01/09
The problem with this piece is that....  Economister | 07/01/09
On a side note, could somebody please explain to me why...  Economister | 07/01/09
Issue with the forum system  jbroche18 | 07/01/09
Re: No further replies.  Letophoro | 07/02/09
Again  jperlow ZDNet Moderator | 07/01/09
We're just saying we wouldn't hire you because...  ye | 07/01/09
Oh good grief  jperlow ZDNet Moderator | 07/01/09
Did I say you replaced it with something other than a Vista system?  ye | 07/01/09
"I saw nothing that indicated..."  msalzberg | 07/01/09
Half-time score:  nizuse | 07/01/09
If you're keeping score  jperlow ZDNet Moderator | 07/01/09
@jperlow: There's nothing stupid about it.  ye | 07/01/09
Hold me to what?  jperlow ZDNet Moderator | 07/01/09
@jperlow: The three year replacement policy.  ye | 07/01/09
@msalzberg: The context was "in the blog".  ye | 07/01/09
@ye...  msalzberg | 07/01/09
@msalzberg: Nothing moot about this point.  ye | 07/01/09
4-2  nizuse | 07/01/09
What are you....  UAC nanny screen | 07/04/09
Well, the "ye-fest" has struck again...  zkiwi | 07/02/09
Did you even consider.......  Economister | 07/02/09
He knows I'm right. And that's what bothers him.  ye | 07/03/09
No...  zkiwi | 07/03/09
@ye  zkiwi | 07/03/09
@ zkiwi: I rest my case.  ye | 07/03/09
I think you are missing the point totally  Northlite | 07/16/09
Was this a reply to my post??  Economister | 07/01/09
Jason...  Dietrich T. Schmitz | 07/01/09
On a Pentium 4 with 512MB RAM?  jperlow ZDNet Moderator | 07/01/09
Interesting. All because you were lacking a CD-Key.  Dietrich T. Schmitz | 07/02/09
The age and condition of the hardware  jperlow ZDNet Moderator | 07/02/09
Avast! Free is not supposed to be used by businesses...  TheWerewolf | 07/01/09
Single User Machine, personal corporation  jperlow ZDNet Moderator | 07/01/09
Corporation = business.  ye | 07/01/09
They define it as hobby verses commercial  osreinstall | 07/01/09
I'll toast it when I can get to her business next  jperlow ZDNet Moderator | 07/01/09
Your Welcome nt  osreinstall | 07/01/09
You could just ask Avast first  Dr_Zinj | 07/02/09
Corporation = business.  UAC nanny screen | 07/06/09
Windows Installation is faster  pauliusp | 07/01/09
I think the most important point to come out of this blog is:  ye | 07/01/09
Well, we all know why . . .  CobraA1 | 07/01/09
Users ignoring Expiring Antivirus  jperlow ZDNet Moderator | 07/01/09
Break computers  CobraA1 | 07/01/09
Which makes MS's free malware program...  wolf_z | 07/02/09
When it gets out of beta  jperlow ZDNet Moderator | 07/02/09
Jason, good article but...  Modred189 | 07/01/09
The only reason I buy from COSTCO  jperlow ZDNet Moderator | 07/01/09
RE: PC OEMs: Please Cut the Crap!  jperlow ZDNet Moderator | 07/01/09
Jason, if you purchase a PC with Windows........  TonyOz | 07/02/09
re: Jason, if you purchase a PC with Windows........  kaninelupus | 07/02/09
Institute This  johnfenjackson@... | 07/02/09
@johnfenjackson - Give me a break!!  kaninelupus | 07/02/09
Come On - It's about Money  jpr75_z | 07/02/09
I would of fixed it differently...  NoThomas | 07/02/09
re: I would of fixed it differently...  kaninelupus | 07/02/09
Lack of x64 support the real crapware  kaninelupus | 07/02/09
RE: PC OEMs: Please Cut the Crap!  oded@... | 07/02/09
Wow. Reading these comments is a real education in...  Snark Shark | 07/02/09
Somebody got it  jperlow ZDNet Moderator | 07/02/09
No, somebody just agreed with you.  ye | 07/02/09
And as usual, if they don't agree with YOU....  kaninelupus | 07/02/09
Not at all.  ye | 07/02/09
What you do for a business...  jperlow ZDNet Moderator | 07/02/09
Not at all.  ye | 07/02/09
More Rubbish  Economister | 07/02/09
Hang on...  wolf_z | 07/03/09
Worse on "home" PC vs. "business"  dstrom | 07/02/09
Definitely  Nitz_Walsh | 07/02/09
From the point of view of the vendors...  Henry Miller | 07/02/09
short term thinking.  kaninelupus | 07/02/09
I only have one problem with your diagnosis...  Steve Goldman | 07/02/09
Hmmm . . .  twirth5@... | 07/02/09
Let's make this simple. Point 1 below really says it all:  HypnoToad72 | 07/02/09
A couple of mistakes in your post.  wolf_z | 07/03/09
Gateway an OEM with minimal crapware.  game_insomniac@... | 07/02/09
They're computers, not toasters  jfederline@... | 07/02/09
Office 2007.....  cynic8 | 07/02/09
Biggest peeve about Office 2007  jperlow ZDNet Moderator | 07/02/09
Really?  daftkey | 07/02/09
I've seen it not only break scripts but not work at all.  jperlow ZDNet Moderator | 07/02/09
About a little real support also?  The_Quietman | 07/02/09
I Love The Bloat  bgavin | 07/02/09
Windows 7 will make this easier for you...  condelirios | 07/02/09
RE: PC OEMs: Please Cut the Crap!  leber70@... | 07/02/09
Easier way to fix...  Narg | 07/02/09
RE: PC OEMs: Please Cut the Crap!  dogmo1001 | 07/02/09
Jason... there is a helpful app for your box!  devlin_X | 07/02/09
How much money is it saving me?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/02/09
I don't have that problem  DocChuck | 07/02/09
How wonderful for you...  readwryt@... | 07/02/09
If that is all it takes  Crestview | 07/02/09
You might as well regen the OS!  sborsher | 07/02/09
I loved the old Wild Tangent games  marks055@... | 07/02/09
There were a ton of them  jperlow ZDNet Moderator | 07/02/09
I liked the old ones  marks055@... | 07/02/09
RE: PC OEMs: Please Cut the Crap!  DocChuck | 07/02/09
Jason... you wasted too much time...  Millystone | 07/02/09
Perhaps I forgot to mention  jperlow ZDNet Moderator | 07/02/09
RE: PC OEMs: Please Cut the Crap!  Howard2009 | 07/02/09
Here's what I got out of it  Info-Dave | 07/02/09
Microsoft releases combo updates too. They're called...  ye | 07/02/09
I respectfully disagree  Info-Dave | 07/02/09
Well, if you insist on doing it the fools way then I'd agree.  ye | 07/02/09
And because I don't have time, I agree  Info-Dave | 07/02/09
They do.  ye | 07/02/09
No they don't  Info-Dave | 07/02/09
@infodave  jperlow ZDNet Moderator | 07/02/09
@Info-Dave: Your story has changed.  ye | 07/03/09
Of course there's a reason for crapware.  Userama | 07/02/09
The point of all this bloatware is...  rebelxhardcore | 07/02/09
Just wipe the drive and start over  union pier | 07/02/09
RE: PC OEMs: Please Cut the Crap!  ci1205 | 07/02/09
Have you tried Glary Utilities?  faiz553 | 07/02/09
RE: PC OEMs: Please Cut the Crap!  Joe Avelar | 07/02/09
I completely agree.  justinmiller87 | 07/02/09
I agree entirely  zweekerboy | 07/02/09
There is an alternative....  zenwalker | 07/02/09
Business Users need Business PCs  ipjunkie | 07/02/09
Amen!  daftkey | 07/02/09
Backup  jperlow ZDNet Moderator | 07/02/09
Reality Orientation  jperlow ZDNet Moderator | 07/02/09
Good point, except..  daftkey | 07/02/09
A couple of days  jperlow ZDNet Moderator | 07/02/09
This is getting bizarre  Economister | 07/02/09
I did not say "two days"  jperlow ZDNet Moderator | 07/02/09
Ah, splitting hairs and fabricating issues.  Economister | 07/02/09
Incorrect.  jperlow ZDNet Moderator | 07/02/09
Unfortunately..........  Economister | 07/02/09
So you want to be an investigative reporter?  jperlow ZDNet Moderator | 07/02/09
Cute  Economister | 07/03/09
@jperlow: So let me see if I've got this straight.  ye | 07/03/09
Let me just add one small correction to my post above.  Economister | 07/04/09
Wha?  jperlow ZDNet Moderator | 07/04/09
Unless of course you don't buy new equipment.  nizuse | 07/04/09
"Shelling out $$" and buying new equipment  jperlow ZDNet Moderator | 07/05/09
Jason, this discussion is on other threads.  nizuse | 07/05/09
With that expense and chore...  osreinstall | 07/02/09
Please Jason  Info-Dave | 07/02/09
RE: PC OEMs: Please Cut the Crap!  Atari800 | 07/02/09
"Critical" is relative to purpose  daftkey | 07/02/09
And if this function is unavailable for a day the cost is?  ye | 07/02/09
See my reply to Jason just above (nt)  Economister | 07/02/09
Buy the Dell Business systems  Gis Bun | 07/02/09
RE: PC OEMs: Please Cut the Crap!  hsaleem1 | 07/02/09
Cut the crap, pay for removal= $ of apple  terramir@... | 07/02/09
I hope they keep putting on the crapware  rftait | 07/02/09
RE: PC OEMs: Please Cut the Crap!  jbaviera@... | 07/02/09
Advanced Systemcare?????!!  mikermiker | 07/02/09
RE: PC OEMs: Please Cut the Crap!  topaz_z | 07/02/09
You should have gone Vostro...  Wolfie2K3 | 07/03/09
Dear Jason, thanks for the article!  terry flores | 07/03/09
This is why I build my own systems  kcredden2 | 07/03/09
FYI - Dell Vista Business  Wayne Reid | 07/03/09
i agree, but....  billw1234 | 07/03/09
bad friend you are!  billw1234 | 07/03/09
Build my own but some OEMs offer options  Wayne Reid | 07/03/09
My guess is that....  Economister | 07/03/09
RE: PC OEMs: Please Cut the Crap!  zdneter0000 | 07/03/09
RE: PC OEMs: Please Cut the Crap!  ArrowQuick | 07/03/09
OEM Linux machines aren't immuned either....  devlin_X | 07/03/09
RE: PC OEMs: Please Cut the Crap!  dennisgornall@... | 07/03/09
Is this a fair summary?  msalzberg | 07/04/09
Yes, but  jperlow ZDNet Moderator | 07/04/09
Look on the bright side...!  Zogg | 07/05/09
A friend of mine had a similar experience  GOTBO | 07/04/09
RE: PC OEMs: Please Cut the Crap!  shollomon | 07/04/09
RE: PC OEMs: Please Cut the Crap!  shollomon | 07/04/09
Avast Free on a computer used for business?  tim@... | 07/04/09
RE: PC OEMs: Please Cut the Crap!  gem8055 | 07/04/09
RE: PC OEMs: Please Cut the Crap!  Daiv_Skinner | 07/05/09
This is why  NStalnecker | 07/05/09
But one occasional issue with a clean install  zenwalker | 07/05/09
I would backup all the drivers & system data first.  osreinstall | 07/05/09
all available for DL from vendor  kaninelupus | 07/05/09
OEM's cut the crap?? What alternate reality are we living in??  kaninelupus | 07/05/09
RE: PC OEMs: Please Cut the Crap!  techfix | 07/05/09
concur.... almost  kaninelupus | 07/06/09
HP has learned...  konkreet | 07/05/09
Dell and 7 hours of hell  alexh1111 | 07/14/09
Time to get a Apple Mac instead  zeebruce | 07/14/09
RE: PC OEMs: Please Cut the Crap!  medwhiz | 07/14/09
You threw out a 2002 year laptop  tracy anne | 07/14/09
RE: PC OEMs: Please Cut the Crap!  JerseyReader | 07/16/09
Replica Watches  benks001 | 09/23/09

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