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The problem is not cheap, but rapid devaluation. Tech has always had a sweet spot (value for price). I am not keen on spending top dollar only to have the hardware devalue by 50% in a week. This is where cheap comes in. If the thing is going to be worthless in 6 months (okay it's a bit of an exaggeration) why not beat it to the bottom and pay that price now. Besides, most people don't need the latest greatest.
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The speed of Tech  happyharry_z | 08/12/09
Re: tech advancements  andrew.nusca ZDNet Moderator | 08/12/09
The point you miss is...  Sleeper Service | 08/12/09
Exactly  thx-1138_@... | 08/13/09
Brand.  Bozzer | 08/13/09
quality and brand  joaolcbarros@... | 08/13/09
Look at the Sony XBR series  adr5@... | 08/13/09
Re: Quality and brand  Alganon | 08/14/09
Bull puckey  thx-1138_@... | 08/13/09
Roundabout reasoning.  andrew.nusca ZDNet Moderator | 08/13/09
Is $1,200 the middle?  ye | 08/13/09
Re: Is $1,200 the middle?  andrew.nusca ZDNet Moderator | 08/13/09
@andrew.nusca: Yes, you did with your numerous references to...  ye | 08/13/09
Exactly...  Tracy_Barber@... | 08/13/09
$800 Target Price  ceh4702 | 08/14/09
Missing th epoint  joaolcbarros@... | 08/13/09
Bingo!  Tracy_Barber@... | 08/13/09
Roundabout (and tedious) FUD reporting  thx-1138_@... | 08/13/09
What I find funny in this is...  Tracy_Barber@... | 08/13/09
Good ways to gauge quality is....  arminw | 08/13/09
@arminw  thx-1138_@... | 08/13/09
maybe  adr5@... | 08/13/09
Amazing how Apple has convinced some people...  ye | 08/13/09
Who keeps a computer for 5 years?  bmonsterman | 08/14/09
The point you're missing is value.  bhartman36 | 08/13/09
You've forgotten resell  GoPower | 08/13/09
Resale isn't necessarily an issue  bhartman36 | 08/13/09
you don't know jeans or TV's  adr5@... | 08/13/09
Which proves beyond a shadow of a doubt..  thx-1138_@... | 08/13/09
Here's some marching orders.  joe.smetona@... | 08/13/09
Levi's validates the cheap thesis  lschw1 | 08/13/09
I don't own a MAC...  thx-1138_@... | 08/13/09
Now were getting into it...  CrashPad | 08/13/09
Quality is In the Eye of The Beholder  windozefreak | 08/13/09
Well, I would not agree ...  mwagner@... | 08/13/09
Nor do I... with you  mdsock@... | 08/13/09
Good on you!  thx-1138_@... | 08/14/09
You Contradict Yourself  mejohnsn | 08/19/09
A $300 box is underpowered and obsolete in 3 years; a $1200 box, in 4.  DelbertPGH | 08/13/09
Slower over time?  rahbm | 08/13/09
No, it's not well documented. I have yet to see...  ye | 08/13/09
I've seen it in every XP system.  T1Oracle | 08/13/09
LOL! Nice flame bait ...  thx-1138_@... | 08/13/09
Your anecdote is not well documented (nt)  ye | 08/13/09
So...  Tracy_Barber@... | 08/13/09
Performance "rot"  wolf_z | 08/14/09
Half Right...  mejohnsn | 08/19/09
Hmm...  Tracy_Barber@... | 08/13/09
Makes Sense...  Tracy_Barber@... | 08/13/09
me thinks not the missing point in the article  Xanderxavier | 08/13/09
The difference between high end and low end is a vacation in France  DelbertPGH | 08/13/09
a $300 box is obsolete while on the shelf  Spats30 | 08/14/09
I love my MacBook Pro but Apple does it too..  3D_Animator | 08/14/09
Hold on, bucko  wolf_z | 08/14/09
You said ...  mwagner@... | 08/14/09
Why PC slows down  maggietoo9 | 08/24/09
@maggietoo9  mathcreative | 11/05/09
correct  adr5@... | 08/13/09
Tech advancements will come  Sagax- | 08/13/09
The thing you ignore is...  cornpie | 08/12/09
I agree with your statement.  andrew.nusca ZDNet Moderator | 08/12/09
RE: prices going up elsewhere  branchman67 | 08/13/09
You need to care ...  mwagner@... | 08/14/09
We RARELY get what we pay for  Get-Smart | 08/14/09
Drives ups prices elsewhere  bwack9@... | 08/13/09
In theory, yes, but ...  mwagner@... | 08/14/09
Pro machines are for Pro needs  Mikael_z | 08/13/09
pay pro prices  adr5@... | 08/13/09
RE: the point you missed  JakAttak | 08/13/09
There is the "point"  douglasjohnledet@... | 08/13/09
Value is . . .  sporkfighter | 08/13/09
I am still using my 486 for web browsing !  Alexander Tang | 08/13/09
good stuff lasts a long time!  pikeman666 | 08/13/09
Right On...  Tracy_Barber@... | 08/13/09
And honors for the most...  thx-1138_@... | 08/13/09
RE:TalkBack 45 of 242:  richdave | 08/13/09
Amen-we should have disposable PC's by now  chezjim | 08/14/09
HIdden Agenda Alert  Bradley Fikes | 08/12/09
Ads are there any way  DannyO_0x98 | 08/12/09
Why would they be miffed at MS?  NonZealot | 08/12/09
But Non your still not addressing his point  mathcreative | 11/05/09
Let's get the facts straight.  andrew.nusca ZDNet Moderator | 08/12/09
Hey dont take it personal...  CrashPad | 08/13/09
Re: opinion pieces.  andrew.nusca ZDNet Moderator | 08/13/09
Errmm...your integrity went flying out of the window when...  Scrat | 08/13/09
Seeing as...  zkiwi | 08/13/09
Something about people living in glass houses and stones come to mind here  Scrat | 08/14/09
Integrity? How about intelligent discussion  dspeers@... | 08/13/09
If a person makes claims from what appears to be a dubious standpoint...  Scrat | 08/14/09
Apple marketing  chaz15 | 08/13/09
You have got to be kidding!  dspeers@... | 08/13/09
Uhm . . . no.  sporkfighter | 08/13/09
So much smacktalk  grail@... | 08/13/09
...so little worth to your post  Scrat | 08/14/09
"Calling out names is personal"  CrashPad | 08/13/09
Ouch!  Tracy_Barber@... | 08/13/09
Got it. Honda Civics suck because they are cheap  NonZealot | 08/12/09
Nice One!!  gehnma@... | 08/12/09
OH PLEASE!  matthew_maurice | 08/12/09
Quid pro quo.  andrew.nusca ZDNet Moderator | 08/12/09
I must disagree  Jack-Booted EULA | 08/12/09
Honda Civic is cheap feeling, but thats the point...  edoggy | 08/13/09
So we've heard but never have we seen supporting facts.  ye | 08/13/09
@edoggy: Do you have...  thx-1138_@... | 08/13/09
Hmmm...  Tracy_Barber@... | 08/13/09
What's that smell?  oncall | 08/12/09
Re: spreading technology  andrew.nusca ZDNet Moderator | 08/12/09
On the upside  Jack-Booted EULA | 08/12/09
RE: Population correction to sustainable levels  branchman67 | 08/13/09
There is nothing wrong  oncall | 08/13/09
It's Gonna Happen...  Tracy_Barber@... | 08/13/09
the writer of this story has a silver spoon.  booraddly | 08/12/09
To be fair  jdbukis@... | 08/12/09
Why buy iMac?  HollywoodDog | 08/12/09
And what of Warren Buffet?  CrashPad | 08/13/09
Confused  Mikael_z | 08/13/09
What are you blathering about???  CrashPad | 08/13/09
RE: Confused  branchman67 | 08/13/09
Fortunately  Mikael_z | 08/14/09
Well. well well......  CrashPad | 08/14/09
RE: Culture of cheap: How discount computers cost the consumer  Gyula Bognar, Jr. | 08/12/09
complete nonsense  pupkin_z | 08/12/09
Sounds like you paid too much for an Apple...  bjbrock | 08/12/09
RE: Culture of cheap: How discount computers cost the consumer  dave@... | 08/12/09
Go ahead, buy the cheapest.  HollywoodDog | 08/12/09
RE: Go ahead, buy the cheapest  branchman67 | 08/13/09
Cheapest are STILL too cheap!  Jeff Hayes | 08/15/09
You Mean?  Tracy_Barber@... | 08/13/09
How was this not about Apple?  kanati | 08/12/09
Read again.  andrew.nusca ZDNet Moderator | 08/13/09
It's more than just sony and the boutique dealers  kanati | 08/13/09
It doesn't cramp innovation....  sean_hando@... | 08/12/09
RE: Cramping Innovation  branchman67 | 08/13/09
True. Dell, or any local computer store, ...  sean_hando@... | 08/13/09
Don't forget the true cost of the product isn't in the price tag...  edoggy | 08/13/09
And just where  zenwalker | 08/13/09
Is Apple price premium because of superior product?  Roque Mocan | 08/13/09
Mismatched.  andrew.nusca ZDNet Moderator | 08/13/09
RE:Mismatched.  richdave | 08/13/09
People who don't know claim every non-cheap product is all hype  HollywoodDog | 08/13/09
And just who the hell are you to say they are wrong!  CrashPad | 08/13/09
Miscommunication?  Tracy_Barber@... | 08/13/09
Principle agreed ... but analysis shallow  johnfenjackson@... | 08/13/09
RE: Culture of cheap: How discount computers cost the consumer  miketisen | 08/13/09
Missing the cost of brand...  serpentmage | 08/13/09
Excellent Article.  Bozzer | 08/13/09
Dell was a perfect example of what you get for cheap. Not much.  Mikael_z | 08/13/09
That depends on what you do  BroGnorik | 08/13/09
It would be all fine and dandy  Mikael_z | 08/14/09
Mac Vs PC : The real world comparision, at the high end.  NeoGeneration | 08/13/09
Just a correction  maggietoo9 | 08/24/09
There's a lot of room between $269 and $1,199  ye | 08/13/09
Agree completely  thx-1138_@... | 08/13/09
I wouldn't mind paying good money  kcredden2 | 08/13/09
American Consumer is in a death spiral  croberts | 08/13/09
RE: Culture of cheap: How discount computers cost the consumer  Vesicant | 08/13/09
Of course.  andrew.nusca ZDNet Moderator | 08/13/09
Thanks for the clarification, but...  Vesicant | 08/13/09
Computers are like German wine  Spats30 | 08/13/09
Hardware and Software  BroGnorik | 08/13/09
Just like any consumer product..  a.barry@... | 08/13/09
If vendors didn't want to sell at this price, they wouldn't.  peter.j.boyles@... | 08/13/09
So in other words...  storm14k | 08/13/09
Good article...the fanbois just dont get it  dspeers@... | 08/13/09
BS argument!  techboy_z | 08/13/09
Low prices drive innovation  stjones@... | 08/13/09
Re: Walmart  andrew.nusca ZDNet Moderator | 08/13/09
I see where this article went wrong  oncall | 08/13/09
Detroit quality/Japanese quality drove detroit out of business  dspeers@... | 08/13/09
I don't know...  GrizzledGeezer | 08/13/09
RE: Culture of cheap: How discount computers cost the consumer  provnet@... | 08/13/09
It's about value  adr5@... | 08/13/09
True but not so true  KyleDDM | 08/13/09
Aspirational Pricing? Reality check needed!  anthony_hunt | 08/13/09
Video memory  psion@... | 08/13/09
By this metric certain MacBook Pro's are cheap computers. (nt)  ye | 08/13/09
Windows Fans Are Obsessed With Apple  CowLauncher | 08/13/09
And the same can be said about Apple fanbois  CrashPad | 08/13/09
Can you blame them?  UAC nanny screen | 08/14/09
RE: Culture of cheap: How discount computers cost the consumer  Chameleon81 | 08/13/09
Apple is the best of the market.  magallanes | 08/13/09
Hidden Agenda  bhaydama | 08/13/09
Taxes & government have made your life better.  HollywoodDog | 08/13/09
Air traffic control is paid for by fees built into an airline ticket...  JohnMcGrew@... | 08/13/09
Strictly adhering to this logic, one could conclude that...  JohnMcGrew@... | 08/13/09
Computers don't need to last longer than two years!!!  rduiker | 08/13/09
Margins  chaz15 | 08/13/09
Fundamentally misunderstood  Bugbyte | 08/13/09
Premise is just wrong  flyingace | 08/13/09
Exactly  rduiker | 08/13/09
RE: Culture of cheap: How discount computers cost the consumer  pwoodruff@... | 08/13/09
Wrong!  rduiker | 08/13/09
...Not quite wrong (which I think means I'm right)  pwoodruff@... | 08/17/09
A bit of a reach, in places  chas_2 | 08/13/09
Poor Quality Goods  chaz15 | 08/13/09
RE: Culture of cheap: How discount computers cost the consumer  hdavison | 08/13/09
Re Discussion  chaz15 | 08/13/09
RE: Culture of cheap: How discount computers cost the consumer  treyedean | 08/13/09
Sorry!  chaz15 | 08/13/09
RE: Culture of cheap: How discount computers cost the consumer  rdr09 | 08/13/09
Apple = Gucci  davidthomas@... | 08/13/09
In what way? Apple does NOT equal better!  chaz15 | 08/13/09
Fair statement  bmonsterman | 08/14/09
I am cheap  rdr09 | 08/13/09
Funny thing is  David the Nerd | 08/13/09
More Expensive Apple is more reliable?  nrshap | 08/13/09
RE: Culture of cheap: How discount computers cost the consumer  peter.moyes@... | 08/13/09
Mac = Overpriced PC  johnnydoe1894 | 08/13/09
Mac = Overpriced PC... indeed  Tommy S. | 08/13/09
Wow!  thx-1138_@... | 08/13/09
Apple long term obsoletion  pwatson | 08/13/09
RE: Culture of cheap: How discount computers cost the consumer  Mabrick | 08/13/09
People normally pay what they can afford!!!!  rgeiken@... | 08/13/09
RE: Culture of cheap: How discount computers cost the consumer  rmacleod@... | 08/13/09
Dell Warranty/Prices compared to WHAT?  dspeers@... | 08/13/09
RE: Culture of cheap: How discount computers cost the consumer  e_ecruz | 08/13/09
RE: Culture of cheap: How discount computers cost the consumer  theguru1995@... | 08/13/09
False Choice  bjzawistowski | 08/13/09
What computers have the best build quality?  Smart_Neuron | 08/13/09
According to Consumer Reports, Apple does. [nt]  olePigeon | 08/13/09
Also, ironically, according to Steve Ballmer. [nt]  olePigeon | 08/13/09
I suspect because many of their users are unwilling to fault them.  ye | 08/13/09
They Don't Want to Hear it, Andrew  mattjumbo | 08/13/09
Restart Story...  Tracy_Barber@... | 08/13/09
Yeah, it is  mattjumbo | 08/13/09
My Serve...  Tracy_Barber@... | 08/13/09
Lack of Economic Understanding  scott.beery | 08/13/09
Right, but...  mattjumbo | 08/13/09
Did You Ever...  Tracy_Barber@... | 08/13/09
Logic has finally surfaced at ZDNet  3dtodd | 08/13/09
Crystal Ball Appears...  Tracy_Barber@... | 08/13/09
RE: Culture of cheap: How discount computers cost the consumer  georgebushw | 08/13/09
Drivel. Sell It To Someone Who Has Never Bought a Used Car. nt  Seamus O'Brog | 08/13/09
Well then ... What about Open Source Software?  cchx111 | 08/13/09
Proof is in the pudding.  shanee25 | 08/13/09
RE: Culture of cheap: How discount computers cost the consumer  BDA123 | 08/13/09
Agreed  Tracy_Barber@... | 08/13/09
RE: Culture of cheap: How discount computers cost the consumer  bb_apptix | 08/13/09
I agree  rdr09 | 08/13/09
This sounds like Apple propaganda  Crestview | 08/13/09
RE: Culture of cheap: How discount computers cost the consumer  talkback2u | 08/13/09
Hehehe...  Tracy_Barber@... | 08/13/09
RE: Culture of cheap: How discount computers cost the consumer  egiova | 08/13/09
RE: Culture of cheap: How discount computers cost the consumer  cymru999 | 08/13/09
Waiting for windows to reboot gives me valuable time for my family  DelbertPGH | 08/13/09
One Word...  Tracy_Barber@... | 08/13/09
RE: Culture of cheap: How discount computers cost the consumer  Azuryu1@... | 08/13/09
RE: Culture of cheap: How discount computers cost the consumer  w_c_mead | 08/13/09
Expensive Apple or Reasonable PC?  chaz15 | 08/13/09
One of the Dumbest Story Lines Ever  vicdelta | 08/13/09
RE: Culture of cheap: How discount computers cost the consumer  vze29knp@... | 08/13/09
Ha HA  chaz15 | 08/13/09
RE: Culture of cheap: How discount computers cost the consumer  Seneca007 | 08/13/09
RE: Culture of cheap: How discount computers cost the consumer  lski123 | 08/13/09
Discount to Premium computers  shanedr | 08/13/09
RE: Culture of cheap: How discount computers cost the consumer  kcharlow@... | 08/13/09
RE: Culture of cheap: How discount computers cost the consumer  marc_90292@... | 08/13/09
You didn't even scratched the surface...  nrebelo@... | 08/13/09
So much landfill  eebyaj | 08/13/09
Umm...  Tracy_Barber@... | 08/13/09
RE: Culture of cheap: How discount computers cost the consumer  danmull80 | 08/13/09
An utterly ignorant analysis - Gotta be a democrat  danmull80 | 08/13/09
Agree with parent article, with exception  vastgene | 08/13/09
Fanboi?  Tracy_Barber@... | 08/13/09
Hardy-har-hardware  vastgene | 08/13/09
RE: Culture of cheap: How discount computers cost the consumer  dennis.morien@... | 08/13/09
Cool...  Tracy_Barber@... | 08/13/09
No Cheap but A Responsible Consumer  Richard B | 08/13/09
Some "Responsible Consumer" will ...  mwagner@... | 08/13/09
Ewaste generally doesn't go in landfills, it goes to China  HollywoodDog | 08/13/09
Not soo fast  Richard B | 08/14/09
But are we really losing out?  jscott418 | 08/13/09
Mirage In the Silicon Desert  helmsdeep63 | 08/13/09
CHEAP vs. INEXPENSIVE Debate  Tracy_Barber@... | 08/13/09
CHEAP and INEXPENSIVE do not mean ...  mwagner@... | 08/13/09
Yowsa...  Tracy_Barber@... | 08/13/09
People love to make this stuff "personal" ...  mwagner@... | 08/13/09
RE: Culture of cheap: How discount computers cost the consumer  CT08 | 08/13/09
RE: Culture of cheap: How discount computers cost the consumer  dinosoft@... | 08/13/09
RE: Culture of cheap: How discount computers cost the consumer  Ginevra | 08/13/09
Why I will buy another Lenovo/IBM notebook  bboyes@... | 08/13/09
But cheap also means pervasive  rjplummer | 08/13/09
RE: Culture of cheap: How discount computers cost the consumer  wjoslin | 08/13/09
They made their own bed now let them sleep in it...  mikifinaz1@... | 08/13/09
RE: Culture of cheap: How discount computers cost the consumer  windozefreak | 08/13/09
There's smart cheap and there's dumb cheap--try Knoppix toram  CPPDEV | 08/13/09
Sorry, I'm one of the cheapos  JasonJD48 | 08/13/09
I believe you are wrong, high and low compliment each other  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/13/09
Where did you go Andrew?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/14/09
Complete nonsense.  Cayble | 08/13/09
RE: Culture of cheap: How discount computers cost the consumer  3p | 08/13/09
Andrew Nusca Should Get a New Career  worldnick | 08/13/09
RE: Culture of cheap: How discount computers cost the consumer  symlkrborn@... | 08/14/09
I can sell a computer  tracy anne | 08/14/09
John Ruskin Knew 100 years ago.......  rod@... | 08/14/09
Unwise to pay too much or too little  Cayble | 08/15/09
Take Economics 101 and do your homework  rploehn | 08/14/09
You have forgotten Moore's Law  cfostel | 08/14/09
RE: Culture of cheap: How discount computers cost the consumer  jjstaud | 08/14/09
RE: Culture of cheap: How discount computers cost the consumer  wizodd@... | 08/14/09
RE: Culture of cheap: How discount computers cost the consumer  hawkchev | 08/14/09
Culture of Cheap - Is only an extension of "Gimme Attitude"  daves1646 | 08/14/09
RE: Culture of cheap: How discount computers cost the consumer  dantesraven@... | 08/14/09
Lack of Quality and Cheap  bob@... | 08/14/09
Another Apple commercial from ZDnet???  ADRz | 08/14/09
Cost vs. Price  mtaylor619@... | 08/14/09
It's more expensive, so...  Feldwebel Wolfenstool | 08/15/09
RE: Culture of cheap: How discount computers cost the consumer  crbarron_48125@... | 08/15/09
Culture of cheap = culture of morons too, apparently  vampyreapocalypse | 08/17/09
Culture of cheap = culture of morons too, apparently  crbarron_48125@... | 08/23/09
Culture of Consumption  3dguru | 08/15/09
This started 20 years ago and really hurts everyone to this day.  dakra137 | 08/15/09
RE: Culture of cheap: How discount computers cost the consumer  surfasb | 08/15/09
RE: Culture of cheap: How discount computers cost the consumer  pmallen | 08/16/09
Typical FANBOI posing as a journo!  kaninelupus | 08/17/09
RE: Culture of cheap: How discount computers cost the consumer  howiem | 08/17/09
RE: Culture of cheap: How discount computers cost the consumer  914four | 08/17/09
RE: Culture of cheap: How discount computers cost the consumer  pwoodruff@... | 08/17/09
Toilet PC  pricey | 08/18/09
You get what you pay for  kc117mx | 08/18/09
Author Needs to Learn Basic Economics  mejohnsn | 08/19/09
Econ 101, in a free market, demand gets supplied at the right price.  aaronchall@... | 08/20/09
RE: Culture of cheap: How discount computers cost the consumer  dleon63 | 08/21/09
Expensive doesn't guarantee better either  tkainz | 08/22/09
RE: Culture of cheap: How discount computers cost the consumer  jfreedle2@... | 08/22/09
Cut it out, Ballmer  MC_z | 08/22/09
Lack of Tech Support  maggietoo9 | 08/24/09
Build Your Own  ungood++ | 08/27/09
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