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MS Office appears to be a really expensive trap.
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Confused  meelder | 10/01/09
How dare you bring logic into this?  User 13 | 10/01/09
Simply the ZDNet line  Richard Flude | 10/01/09
Simple. He didn't use Open Office!  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 10/01/09
Maybe...  wright_is | 10/05/09
Such arguments do not help  Viva la crank dodo | 10/02/09
Yes I do expect people to learn how to user their computer.  User 13 | 10/02/09
Bad analogy  PlayFair | 10/02/09
Thanks, my thoughts exactly.  Viva la crank dodo | 10/02/09
Most people had to be taught how to use  devlin_X | 10/04/09
Not a matter of learn...  zenwalker | 10/04/09
Not users...  wright_is | 10/05/09
And this is why I'll always have a job  lord_beavis | 10/03/09
Yes  Viva la crank dodo | 10/05/09
His point exactly  rikdd | 10/29/09
Not as confused as me...  putt1ck | 10/01/09
Because...  DaemonSlayer | 10/01/09
You must be new. You can use 'SAVE AS' to remove the Microsoft push.  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 10/01/09
I think . . .  dleon63 | 10/02/09
If I want to distribute something, I  mombo | 10/02/09
Disappointed  meelder | 10/01/09
Bingo  pc_techs_ct@... | 10/01/09
Yes  horus9339@... | 10/02/09
No one uses .docx  bblackmoor@... | 10/02/09
some people do  Mike_ | 10/02/09
Everyday  zenwalker | 10/04/09
Use .docx ??  rich3page | 10/05/09
It's a shame when people realise...  Sleeper Service | 10/02/09
It's a shame when people ...  rich3page | 10/05/09
... that they are mistaken  pdickey43@... | 10/14/09
RE: Saying goodbye to OpenOffice.Org  Zoraster | 10/01/09
Only if you pay retail instead of buyng it ...  mwagner@... | 10/01/09
Still expensive  UAC nanny screen | 10/01/09
Your solution: Softmaker  CounterEthicsCommissioner-23034636492738337469105860790963 | 10/01/09
That's interesting  dkusnetzky ZDNet Moderator | 10/01/09
Give it a try. Or download this:  CounterEthicsCommissioner-23034636492738337469105860790963 | 10/01/09
If you're a student  happyharry_z | 10/01/09
Cheap Office: MS Getting you Hooked  usr001 | 10/01/09
Every manufacturer of every product ...  mwagner@... | 10/01/09
There's a difference between  akulkis | 10/01/09
Really? How is Microsoft entrapping its users ...  de-void | 10/01/09
Illegally leveraging a monopoly  Ole Man | 10/01/09
They increase the cost of switching to a competitor's product  T1Oracle | 10/01/09
maybe  DaemonSlayer | 10/01/09
@Ole Man: Stop living in the past  de-void | 10/02/09
@T1Oracle - what "artificial incompatibilities" is MS "injecting"?  de-void | 10/02/09
@DaemonSlayer: Treated like a thief?  de-void | 10/02/09
That is the logic that I'm talking about.  PlayFair | 10/03/09
"I'd like to see how many people are upset that they have to type in their  Ole Man | 10/03/09
"exploitation and ?malevolence" ???  keoz | 10/03/09
Wrong  keoz | 10/02/09
Not a counter, but a clarification  pdickey43@... | 10/14/09
And if you use it for non-student use  akulkis | 10/01/09
Then you can buy a copy of Office Home and Student for $75  de-void | 10/01/09
Dinner for 2?  chezbal | 10/02/09
Business dinners  keoz | 10/06/09
Yep . . and then  sporkfighter | 10/06/09
Just 2  keoz | 10/06/09
Wrong again  keoz | 10/02/09
Actually....  pdickey43@... | 10/14/09
Mac version?  bmeacham98@... | 10/01/09
Hmmm ...  mwagner@... | 10/01/09
Superior compatibility  CounterEthicsCommissioner-23034636492738337469105860790963 | 10/01/09
Check out the Office 2007 complaint forums  UAC nanny screen | 10/01/09
What's your point, no Mac support  deepee912 | 10/02/09
You're right. No MAC support.  CounterEthicsCommissioner-23034636492738337469105860790963 | 10/03/09
is Softmaker and Ashampoo the same?  paladin2 | 10/04/09
RE: Saying goodbye to OpenOffice.Org  PerthGrad | 10/01/09
Said goodbye to Office...any version. NeoOffice works for me!  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 10/01/09
I said good-bye last year  happyharry_z | 10/01/09
You say it best: "the Ultimate Steal"  The Mentalist | 10/01/09
It really is unfortunate  Yagotta B. Kidding | 10/01/09
But you can!  mwagner@... | 10/01/09
And of course...  DaemonSlayer | 10/01/09
You are confusing the issue....  zenwalker | 10/04/09
the incompetence of competition is their own dead (nt)  keoz | 10/04/09
Will you stop pointing out facts ... your confusing the ABM'ers arguments!  de-void | 10/01/09
Your so-called "facts" are like MS "stnadrads"...  The Mentalist | 10/01/09
"Errr..." I think you meant 'Standards'. Microsoft wants to control them.  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 10/01/09
Skip..skip...skip...skip...skip...skip...skip...  mgp3 | 10/01/09
IE is not popular  voltusbazoka@... | 10/01/09
Erm ... what are "stnadrads"?  de-void | 10/02/09
That's rational...you can write here... happy nt  socialism=nowhere | 10/01/09
This is where the battle is taking place in Europe.  mjolnar@... | 10/01/09
True  dkusnetzky ZDNet Moderator | 10/01/09
If anything  Viva la crank dodo | 10/01/09
What ARE you on?  de-void | 10/01/09
Ahhhhhh!!! Bug-less MS code  SkaldedKat | 10/01/09
ERmmm ... where did I say MS produced bug-less code?  de-void | 10/02/09
???  DaemonSlayer | 10/01/09
You said "incompetents", not me.  de-void | 10/02/09
Well, considering you seem to be...  zkiwi | 10/01/09
You said it's "all good in OXML land", not me  de-void | 10/02/09
And yet...  zkiwi | 10/02/09
"adequately documented formats"?  bblackmoor@... | 10/02/09
Unlike Microsoft . . .  sporkfighter | 10/06/09
Compatability Standardization, CONTROL!!  horus9339@... | 10/02/09
I quit using OpenOffice  trent1 | 10/01/09
Gee. I have no powerpoint issues. Care to post one that I can't load?  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 10/01/09
Good point!  Ole Man | 10/01/09
I gotta say . . .  sporkfighter | 10/06/09
Reads like you won't pass your course. You're just stupid! (NT)  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 10/01/09
Schools are moving to OpenOffice  bblackmoor@... | 10/02/09
you are so wrong!  Linux Geek | 10/01/09
No...you are wrong  bmonsterman | 10/01/09
Or...  storm14k | 10/01/09
I use office...it works fine for me happy  bmonsterman | 10/01/09
Me too! Don't see the problem  PedroTabs | 10/01/09
If you haven't used anything besides Office....  storm14k | 10/01/09
Competence, please!  brianpeterson@... | 10/01/09
Oh, you mean the 2007 Conversion Tool for Office 2003 that...  UAC nanny screen | 10/01/09
Of course you can't see the problem...  The Mentalist | 10/01/09
I Too do not see a problem  An Old Man | 10/01/09
I haven't had an issue...nt  socialism=nowhere | 10/01/09
Done!!!!! (NT)  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 10/01/09
Which ODF?  honeymonster | 10/01/09
Which OOXML?  storm14k | 10/01/09
ODF, not OXML  KTLA | 10/01/09
No the question here is....  storm14k | 10/01/09
The FACT is that the "standard" is ...  mwagner@... | 10/01/09
If thats a "standard" by industry terms  Viva la crank dodo | 10/02/09
Fair enough  honeymonster | 10/01/09
You bring up and interesting point.  storm14k | 10/01/09
Trust  honeymonster | 10/02/09
Confusing (and reversing) the definitions of "Standard" and "Format"  Ole Man | 10/04/09
@Ole  keoz | 10/04/09
What's the problem?  Ole Man | 10/06/09
Confusion you say?  keoz | 10/06/09
I don't worry because MAC OSX NeoOffice just works! (NT)  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 10/01/09
OOXML -- dead format walking? (the anti-ODF format)  Ole Man | 10/01/09
I have a job to do and driving Microsoft isn't on my list of deliverables  dkusnetzky ZDNet Moderator | 10/01/09
Every vendor, ...  mwagner@... | 10/01/09
That's nice, but . . .  CobraA1 | 10/01/09
Linux Geek you are right on the money  lamapper | 10/05/09
Saying goodbye to OpenOffice  mrdt | 10/01/09
Or better yet....  storm14k | 10/01/09
Who to blame?  honeymonster | 10/01/09
Or I can simply blame MS...  storm14k | 10/01/09
Who cares?  bmonsterman | 10/01/09
The person trying to open their document cares.  storm14k | 10/01/09
But you'd be wrong  honeymonster | 10/02/09
Seriously?  PedroTabs | 10/01/09
I think you misunderstood.  storm14k | 10/01/09
While true  Viva la crank dodo | 10/01/09
And therin lies the problem.  mjolnar@... | 10/01/09
Agreed  Viva la crank dodo | 10/01/09
The whole idea of 'open source' and 'standards' is a joke.  Marty R. Milette | 10/01/09
Good for you  Viva la crank dodo | 10/01/09
Standards do matter, just look at PDF  jckennedy | 10/01/09
When standards are bad  Viva la crank dodo | 10/01/09
How you figure that?  Marty R. Milette | 10/02/09
I see you are as quick as ever  Ole Man | 10/01/09
Up to the usual inane babbling...  Marty R. Milette | 10/02/09
Nope!  Ole Man | 10/03/09
Why don't you actually respond to the post...  Marty R. Milette | 10/03/09
babbling and name-calling?  Ole Man | 10/04/09
I know what you are talking about  keoz | 10/03/09
Your problem can be solved by...  windozefreak | 10/01/09
Exactly, No Adobe, no Silverlight, no Java, etc...  lamapper | 10/05/09
Since anyone using Office 2007  frgough | 10/01/09
Try it and you'll find it is not true...  zenwalker | 10/01/09
So, your happy that you spent more money with MS  mjolnar@... | 10/01/09
Happy to have a working solution allowing us to get on with our lives  de-void | 10/02/09
"school computers (Macs with MSOffice)"  bblackmoor@... | 10/02/09
RE: Saying goodbye to OpenOffice.Org  Loverock Davidson | 10/01/09
But off course he made the right decision!  The Mentalist | 10/01/09
How does Microsoft's $ enter into this?  dkusnetzky ZDNet Moderator | 10/01/09
And who's paying your company?  The Mentalist | 10/01/09
Won't offend everyone to satisfy a single customer  dkusnetzky ZDNet Moderator | 10/02/09
Because . . .  bubba555 | 10/02/09
Yes, since when has competition benefited anyone  Viva la crank dodo | 10/01/09
You make my moment  mathcreative | 10/01/09
Microsoft's WP tools forgot about .WRI docs  fejlinton | 10/01/09
Maybe you believe all cars should still come with a crank?  Marty R. Milette | 10/02/09
"all cars should still come with a crank?"  Ole Man | 10/03/09
I heard there is a sale...  Marty R. Milette | 10/04/09
"Ford and Microsoft in Sync for in-car infotainment"  Ole Man | 10/04/09
Nice set of links -- BUT...  Marty R. Milette | 10/04/09
Evidently you haven't bought a new car lately  Ole Man | 10/06/09
WTF  keoz | 10/03/09
"someday TXT will no longer be the standards simple plain text"  Ole Man | 10/03/09
Haha pawned  keoz | 10/03/09
A failure to read (and heed) history  Ole Man | 10/03/09
You stay there...  Marty R. Milette | 10/03/09
Your mistake is..........  Ole Man | 10/04/09
You really make yourself look a fool...  Marty R. Milette | 10/04/09
I don't use "7-bit ASCII", idjit  Ole Man | 10/06/09
What is your definition of competition  Viva la crank dodo | 10/01/09
RE: Saying goodbye to OpenOffice.Org  shellcodes_coder | 10/01/09
Name calling, seriously?  Fark | 10/01/09
no you're a fat face! (nt)  ericesque | 10/01/09
You must be new here - it's like this all the time...nt  socialism=nowhere | 10/01/09
But!  mathcreative | 10/01/09
Finally! nt  socialism=nowhere | 10/01/09
Your asian humor is not working!  The Mentalist | 10/01/09
Why are you "bad mouthing" asian humor?...  windozefreak | 10/01/09
That's not insensitive or prejudiced or racist.  CounterEthicsCommissioner-23034636492738337469105860790963 | 10/01/09
RE: Saying goodbye to OpenOffice.Org  phil_ayres@... | 10/01/09
What about the cloud?  rick@... | 10/01/09
Bugs in OpenOffice never fixed  donelder@... | 10/01/09
How many people encounter this bug?  storm14k | 10/01/09
Top 5 Reasons  DannyO_0x98 | 10/01/09
RE: Saying goodbye to OpenOffice.Org  jtimouri | 10/01/09
RE: Saying goodbye to OpenOffice.Org  1djk1 | 10/01/09
International standard  bmonsterman | 10/01/09
Statement of fact  putt1ck | 10/01/09
I think you are missing my point  bmonsterman | 10/01/09
Stop looking at the user....  storm14k | 10/01/09
The source of record  bmonsterman | 10/01/09
Standards  1djk1 | 10/01/09
What I think doesn't matter  bmonsterman | 10/01/09
That's an empty argument.  akulkis | 10/01/09
How's it a cop-out if he's right?  PlayFair | 10/01/09
RE: Saying goodbye to OpenOffice.Org  delangea@... | 10/01/09
Saying hello to OpenOffice  gschultz | 10/01/09
Yep, us too...  fjpoblam | 10/05/09
RE: Saying goodbye to OpenOffice.Org  artmanjr | 10/01/09
Lofty Goal!  zenwalker | 10/01/09
LOL  DaemonSlayer | 10/01/09
In all fairness  PlayFair | 10/01/09
How Microsoft conquered China  Ole Man | 10/03/09
Hypocritical? Hardly.  PlayFair | 10/03/09
Bone up on your definition of hypocrite  Ole Man | 10/03/09
You've obviously never run any kind of business...  Marty R. Milette | 10/04/09
Simple logic and common sense?  Ole Man | 10/04/09
Do you care to reply to the actual post?  Marty R. Milette | 10/04/09
Hopeless case!  Ole Man | 10/06/09
RE: Saying goodbye to OpenOffice.Org  mitch@... | 10/01/09
Download new apps?  zenwalker | 10/01/09
Oh boy here it comes...get the pop corn. nt  socialism=nowhere | 10/01/09
Sticking with OpenOffice  Jeff_D_Programmer | 10/01/09
How about the dog?? happy  KTC | 10/01/09
Try the educational version then.....  Colfax_Mac | 10/01/09
Thanks for the input  KTC | 10/01/09
Precisely the same thing here  none none | 10/01/09
RE: Saying goodbye to OpenOffice.Org  cj100570@... | 10/01/09
Open Office for non-collaborators?  KTC | 10/01/09
RE: Saying goodbye to OpenOffice.Org  RedVeg | 10/01/09
.pdf distribution  KTC | 10/01/09
Open Office is GREAT !  jlmuzzio | 10/01/09
Dan you're feeble and pathetic!  GOTBO | 10/01/09
RE: Saying goodbye to OpenOffice.Org  bobfastner | 10/01/09
Once again "denial" isn't just a river in Africa.....  Colfax_Mac | 10/01/09
Yes...its a river in proprietary software too.  storm14k | 10/01/09
You make your bed, you lie in it! (NT)  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 10/01/09
office 2007 is so seriously broken for any real work, I find posts  stevey_d | 10/01/09
Could you be more specific  bmonsterman | 10/02/09
Yes, most of us could  Ole Man | 10/02/09
You said it! Valid points were made (NT)  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 10/01/09
RE: Saying goodbye to OpenOffice.Org  mjolnar@... | 10/01/09
RE: Saying goodbye to OpenOffice.Org  hodogo | 10/01/09
Economic History of the Office Suite  brianpeterson@... | 10/01/09
I think OpenOffice programmers  keoz | 10/01/09
Prove it  akulkis | 10/01/09
There are plenty of proofs everywhere  keoz | 10/01/09
You can "parse" XML, but can you implement a 500 page rendering spec  stevey_d | 10/01/09
ridiculousness is  keoz | 10/01/09
Ok what about . . .  bubba555 | 10/02/09
OOXML: Backwards Compatible?  Ole Man | 10/02/09
As simple as you convert a WordML  keoz | 10/02/09
OOXML is defective by design  Ole Man | 10/02/09
So?  keoz | 10/02/09
So? Nothing!  Ole Man | 10/03/09
Innovation...  pdickey43@... | 10/14/09
You are right!  keoz | 10/14/09
RE: Saying goodbye to OpenOffice.Org  mwagner@... | 10/01/09
MS "stnadrads" designed to make compatibility impossible being "comaptible"  The Mentalist | 10/01/09
By the way, Mr 'moderator'  The Mentalist | 10/01/09
docx is not that widely used however.  stevey_d | 10/01/09
True  bmonsterman | 10/02/09
RE: Saying goodbye to OpenOffice.Org  clclementsj | 10/01/09
I think he already switched...  cyberale | 10/01/09
MS Office has evolved with OneNote  otaddy | 10/01/09
Agreed  crazydanr@... | 10/01/09
Visio is an exception  jckennedy | 10/01/09
You DO realize that Visio  akulkis | 10/01/09
All software companies do that  bmonsterman | 10/02/09
Nonsense  otaddy | 10/03/09
Yes, in this case the integration works well  otaddy | 10/02/09
here's a of productivity tips for you  gengstrand | 10/01/09
Get Realistic!  zenwalker | 10/02/09
RE: Saying goodbye to OpenOffice.Org  dfl274 | 10/01/09
Revisable form is a requirement sometimes  dkusnetzky ZDNet Moderator | 10/01/09
SlideRocket might be an option  woblytwo | 10/01/09
Ahahahahhahaahahahahahaha  jackbond | 10/01/09
This is why Microsoft constantly change Office format  jckennedy | 10/01/09
"They that can give up essential liberty  Ole Man | 10/01/09
constantly??  deepee912 | 10/02/09
All depends on perspective...  Marty R. Milette | 10/04/09
Because its based  keoz | 10/04/09
RE: Saying goodbye to OpenOffice.Org  Mike.Moller@... | 10/01/09
did you migrate to 2007? I can't beleive you'd have written that if you did  stevey_d | 10/01/09
Openoffice is free ... like Adobe Reader  orionds | 10/01/09
RE: Saying goodbye to OpenOffice.Org  ckl_88 | 10/01/09
You must be in the government program.  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 10/01/09
What a waste of blog space...  zkiwi | 10/01/09
You did far more than I, never got it to work  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/01/09
I think we know you don't try to hard for ANTI MS stuff! (NT)  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 10/01/09
Correction, I don't try too hard for any vendor.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/02/09
Hint: there is a menu bar at the TOP, and...  CounterEthicsCommissioner-23034636492738337469105860790963 | 10/01/09
Ah, insults always wins customers.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/02/09
Well...  zkiwi | 10/02/09
having spent some time using office 2007 I find you're story amazing  stevey_d | 10/01/09
inefficient menu system?  s_southern | 10/02/09
Take a Google Walk  zenwalker | 10/02/09
RE: Saying goodbye to OpenOffice.Org  pc_techs_ct@... | 10/01/09
Welcome to the 21st century  tonymcs@... | 10/01/09
ha  homeblend | 10/01/09
Even with OpenOffice3, I still need to use HTML formating or .pdf export  daniel.pereznet | 10/01/09
RE: Saying goodbye to OpenOffice.Org  marcel@... | 10/01/09
Why was Office-2007 compatibility even an issue?  JDThompson | 10/01/09
That's pretty much the biggest issue  CobraA1 | 10/01/09
RE: "Microsoft?s Office seems to work with just about everyone?s system"  mistermachine | 10/01/09
have u heard of the word/excel/ppt viewers ?  bksgs1 | 10/01/09
RE: Saying goodbye to OpenOffice.Org  Mike.Moller@... | 10/01/09
RE: Saying goodbye to OpenOffice.Org  contort | 10/02/09
As much as I like OpenOffice...  wright_is | 10/02/09
user error  bblackmoor@... | 10/02/09
They did bring laptops...  wright_is | 10/03/09
If i4i prevails...  sdunn2000@... | 10/02/09
Not really  bmonsterman | 10/02/09
Bla-bla-bla Yada-yada-yada  voltusbazoka@... | 10/02/09
Apache vs IIS  bmonsterman | 10/02/09
Money  wright_is | 10/03/09
When 99% isn't enough  kfneal@... | 10/02/09
We'd use OpenOffice if we could...  s_southern | 10/02/09
RE: Saying goodbye to OpenOffice.Org  aldisp@... | 10/02/09
This article is a sad statement on tech journalism  bblackmoor@... | 10/02/09
When you have to call names, you admit your wrong.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/02/09
Just for the heck of it....  zenwalker | 10/02/09
Been there, done that...  wright_is | 10/03/09
Can we have an honest discussion without the lies and vitriol?  PlayFair | 10/02/09
open office is OK, but $29 MS Office tough to beat  jeyost@... | 10/02/09
RE: Saying goodbye to OpenOffice.Org  bubba555 | 10/02/09
But OOXML is just as problematic  ismoore | 10/02/09
OO3.xx.Org & Vista HP64 never even installed!  mediator@... | 10/02/09
Running it....  zenwalker | 10/02/09
Bye, bye, but we can still be friends  IT_User | 10/02/09
What about using Open Office and export to PDF?  pfyearwood | 10/02/09
Unfortunately  wright_is | 10/03/09
"ODF only supports a subset of the features that MS Office has, so it can't  Ole Man | 10/04/09
But that is what people see in OO.o  pico_D | 10/04/09
RE: Saying goodbye to OpenOffice.Org  Feroz Jinnah | 10/03/09
Please Delete  PlayFair | 10/03/09
RE: Saying goodbye to OpenOffice.Org  amicablegc | 10/03/09
Really?  zkiwi | 10/03/09
I was thinking the same thing  Ole Man | 10/04/09
The Clincher  PlayFair | 10/04/09
Actually, the shoe goes on the other foot  Ole Man | 10/06/09
Office 2003 has it's own problems!  stormculture | 10/05/09
Just 1, Office Web would not be possible without OOXML, evolve is good  keoz | 10/05/09
RE: Saying goodbye to OpenOffice.Org  ppayne@... | 10/05/09
RE: Saying goodbye to OpenOffice.Org  Bilmekanikeren | 10/05/09
RE: Saying goodbye to OpenOffice.Org  kevsan | 10/06/09

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