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The problem, mixing social with business.
The problem here is Robin is trying to treat a massive business investment (billions in captial investment) as if its a socialized publicly owned utility which it is not.

Other countries subsidise connectivity/ISPs because they believe having broadband everywhere is critical to their future. The US has decided to let the market place make that provision which means it will ALWAYS be subject to behaving as a FOR PROFIT operation.

Sorry but the truth is, you can't force socialized behavior on a for profit company and expect it to survive much less actualy get ahead and pay a return to the investors.
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The problem, mixing social with business.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/16/08
Look no further than your elecric company.  Letophoro | 12/16/08
Sort of true, but not really.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/16/08
Speed is not the issue.  Letophoro | 12/16/08
Now thats COMCASTIC! [NT]  JT82 | 12/16/08
Sorry but it IS ALL about speed.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/16/08
The Feds tried the market  Anton Philidor | 12/16/08
Bad idea from the get, implemented even worse.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/16/08
It has nothing to do with speed.  Letophoro | 12/16/08
It's all about money  bernalillo | 12/17/08
Example: Cell Phones  ~Obelix~ | 12/16/08
Cell phones are not the best example  mystic100 | 12/17/08
We get the worst of both worlds  terry flores | 12/16/08
One argument but that also has two sides.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/16/08
You're asking the impossible  masonwheeler | 12/17/08
Regulation can help.  Anton Philidor | 12/16/08
I can't agree Anton  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/16/08
If competitors could enter the market ...  Anton Philidor | 12/16/08
Iahve heard that arguemnt and reject it based on...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/16/08
Yes, consistent rules should apply.  Anton Philidor | 12/16/08
re: Iahve heard that arguemnt and reject it based on...  none none | 12/16/08
I am all for that.  bernalillo | 12/17/08
wrong, right, wrong  bernalillo | 12/17/08
Deliver the bandwidth  CodeCurmudgeon | 12/22/08
Wha?  CobraA1 | 12/16/08
He is just trying to defend Google.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/16/08
Defining the issue  Anton Philidor | 12/16/08
RE: Is Google Evil?  Behind The Headlines | 12/16/08
What is on this page SCREWING it up  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/16/08
"nothing wrong"  cwallen19803@... | 12/17/08
For crying out loud  frgough | 12/16/08
re: For crying out loud  none none | 12/16/08
Are you truley so brainwashed?  T1Oracle | 12/16/08
You really don't get it, do you?  Robin Harris ZDNet Moderator | 12/16/08
Seems you've made the mistake  georgeou | 12/17/08
You seem to have a conceptual error.  Letophoro | 12/17/08
Confusing  Anton Philidor | 12/17/08
Not so confusing.  Letophoro | 12/17/08
re: Confusing  none none | 12/17/08
Network capacity is growing at 50% or 100% a year  georgeou | 12/17/08
Would FedEx double their planes every year?  Letophoro | 12/17/08
Because your data is wrong  georgeou | 12/18/08
That's because I lowballed the growth in capacity.  Letophoro | 12/18/08
We have 10 times more broadband users than the early 2000s today  georgeou | 12/18/08
I'm not against QoS as you describe it.  Letophoro | 12/18/08
More...  wmlundine | 12/17/08
The ISP sold their bandwidth. . .  CodeCurmudgeon | 12/22/08
free market is not always the best answer  hamobu | 12/16/08
So why aren't you building  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/16/08
Not sure of the point you are trying to make but ...  hamobu | 12/16/08
The ARPANET was created by the Government, not the modern Internet  georgeou | 12/18/08
re: The ARPANET was created by the Government, not the modern Internet  none none | 12/18/08
No, it's not publicly funded. It's not routing through the Universities.  georgeou | 12/19/08
Don''t forget the government paid. . .  CodeCurmudgeon | 12/22/08
And they do get a return......  linux for me | 12/16/08
re: So why aren't you building  none none | 12/18/08
I disagree  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/16/08
Dang it, this was a reply to Anton.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 12/16/08
I bet...  chaiguy1337 | 12/17/08
Agreed  Anton Philidor | 12/16/08
re: telco would love to see ...  terry flores | 12/16/08
In case you haven't noticed...  chaiguy1337 | 12/17/08
One more thing...  chaiguy1337 | 12/17/08
Am I missing something here?  putty.master | 12/17/08
Excellent observation  colinnwn | 12/17/08
agreed--and net neutrality is good rhetoric  hansonjb | 12/17/08
What's your response Robin?  softwareFlunky | 12/17/08
Sorry but everyone does not pay the same overnight rates  John238 | 12/18/08
RE: actions speak louder than terms  tyelmene | 12/18/08
there are more catchy terms..  Hobyx | 12/19/08
Sounds like a misplaces sense of entitlement.  wheresjbob | 12/19/08
Blame the victim  Robin Harris ZDNet Moderator | 12/20/08
RE: To No_Ax_to_Grind  mkduffy@... | 12/22/08
Argh!  Raymond Danner | 12/22/08
RE: Robin Harris  SteelOnTarget | 12/25/08

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