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Or should we blame Microsoft
For their inability to push DEP sooner and get more of a response out developers sooner and breaking applications that have been coded wrongly for years.

That would be the ABMer's excuse anyway.

NBMer would say that Adobe is at fault for not putting the man power behind their development cycle and getting with the program in time.
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Or should we blame Microsoft  nucrash | 03/31/08
RE: Microsoft  nmcfeters | 03/31/08
MS has had DEP support since XP SP2  ye | 03/31/08
RE: MS has had DEP since XP SP 2  nmcfeters | 03/31/08
To sum up the battle in a few lines  nucrash | 03/31/08
Nice summation (nt)  ye | 03/31/08
RE:  nmcfeters | 03/31/08
Forgot last 2 steps...  aureolin@... | 03/31/08
Sorry not this time.  maldain | 03/31/08
Oh, NO! I have to disable Java AGAIN?  jlafitte | 04/01/08
I have it always disabled  markbn | 04/03/08
Point at Sun for allowing Java to bypass DEP protection.  Grayson Peddie | 03/31/08
RE: Point to sun  nmcfeters | 03/31/08
"Turning off DEP"????  Zogg | 04/01/08
No  Guy Smiley | 04/01/08
RE: No  nmcfeters | 04/01/08
Something's not right...  Zogg | 04/02/08
Not really...  Guy Smiley | 04/02/08
You misunderstood me...  Guy Smiley | 04/02/08
This contest had only one loser.  kozmcrae | 03/31/08
Unhackable  aureolin@... | 03/31/08
Isn't that the truth  GeiselS@... | 03/31/08
Aren't well all better off because Sun sued MS...  ye | 03/31/08
RE: Hahahaha  nmcfeters | 03/31/08
So ... it WASN'T Adobe's fault ...  OButterball | 03/31/08
Security is usually a shared responsibility  nucrash | 03/31/08
But this is like blaming the cops because ...  OButterball | 03/31/08
Java Can't work with DEP, not the other way around  nmcfeters | 03/31/08
DEP is alive and well in Solaris on Ultra Sparc  ye | 03/31/08
RE: Yep, that's the question  nmcfeters | 03/31/08
This should give you an idea:  ye | 03/31/08
RE:  nmcfeters | 03/31/08
My question still stands:  OButterball | 03/31/08
Back under the bridge troll!  ShadeTree | 03/31/08
Gee whiz, Shadey, you've gone from being someone ...  OButterball | 03/31/08
RE: API  nmcfeters | 03/31/08
RE: Where is your disconnect?  nmcfeters | 03/31/08
Where is YOUR disconnect? Why are you SO interested ...  OButterball | 03/31/08
Now you've ended your own argument  nmcfeters | 03/31/08
Nope the discussion isn't over ...  OButterball | 04/01/08
Argh...  nmcfeters | 04/01/08
DOUBLE Arrghh!  OButterball | 04/01/08
INFINITY Arghh... haha  nmcfeters | 04/01/08
16 bit on Vista  ed.ahlsen-girard@... | 04/01/08
Argh ... Alright! NOW we're gittin' somewhere!  OButterball | 04/01/08
I wash my hands of this argument  nmcfeters | 04/01/08
Yer hands still ain't clean, Nate:  OButterball | 04/01/08
RE: OButterball - My hands are washed in industrial grade anti-bacterial  nmcfeters | 04/01/08
@nmcfeters  rtk | 04/01/08
rtk: That's right, attempt to kill the messenger ...  OButterball | 04/02/08
duhhh, well, when you have to disable security to run the app....  jlafitte | 04/01/08
Huh? How come a mere application ...  OButterball | 04/01/08
you suggestion is somewhat like  rtk | 04/01/08
rtk: No, my suggestion is EXACTLY like ...  OButterball | 04/02/08
it's really simple OButterball Microsoft tells sun or adobe until  SO.CAL Guy | 04/01/08
EXACTLY!  nmcfeters | 04/01/08
Simpler than THAT, actually:  OButterball | 04/01/08
Re: it's really simple ...  n0neXn0ne | 04/01/08
Now you just don't make any sense at all  nmcfeters | 04/01/08
Industrial grade is obviously the wrong strength, Nate.  OButterball | 04/01/08
RE: OButterball  nmcfeters | 04/01/08
re: Nate - don't worry he was abused as a child...  socialism=nowhere | 04/02/08
Thanks  nmcfeters | 04/02/08
Nate: "Thanks"? You're thanking ...  OButterball | 04/02/08
That's right, get defensive  nmcfeters | 04/02/08
Patching  nabeel_z | 04/01/08
Correct  nmcfeters | 04/01/08
RE: More details on the Pwn2Own Flash flaw that won the Vista machine  nmcfeters | 03/31/08
Who're you replying to?  Grayson Peddie | 03/31/08
RE: More details on the Pwn2Own Flash flaw that won the Vista machine  nmcfeters | 03/31/08
RE: More details on the Pwn2Own Flash flaw that won the Vista machine  nmcfeters | 03/31/08
Please disregard, this is a duplicate post.  nmcfeters | 03/31/08
RE: More details on the Pwn2Own Flash flaw that won the Vista machine  nmcfeters | 04/01/08
RE: More details on the Pwn2Own Flash flaw that won the Vista machine  nmcfeters | 04/01/08
In stead of ...  n0neXn0ne | 04/01/08
First thanks Nate  desamuelson | 04/01/08
Thanks  nmcfeters | 04/01/08
Thanks desamuelson for your observation that helps make my point  n0neXn0ne | 04/01/08
RE:  nmcfeters | 04/02/08
Not blaming anyone  nilotpal_c | 04/01/08
Good points, Nate still not buying...  n0neXn0ne | 04/01/08
What am I not buying?  nmcfeters | 04/01/08
RE: OK  nmcfeters | 04/01/08
re: ok  n0neXn0ne | 04/01/08
Sure, I'll buy it  nmcfeters | 04/01/08
tRu dAt (nt)  n0neXn0ne | 04/01/08
RE:re:Sure, I'll buy it; Sold to the highest bidder wink  n0neXn0ne | 04/01/08
RE:  nmcfeters | 04/02/08
What about PaX?  nmcfeters | 04/02/08
Why would recompile be difficult?  Robert Crocker | 04/02/08
Recompile  nmcfeters | 04/02/08
What is the "average *Nix user"?  Robert Crocker | 04/02/08
Yep, that's the question  nmcfeters | 04/02/08
Did they need to elevate their privileges to win?  Zogg | 04/03/08
Nope  nmcfeters | 04/03/08
I thought that "0wning" a machine was *defined* as "root access"...  Zogg | 04/03/08
I disagree  nmcfeters | 04/03/08
Intrusion? Yes. "Pwned"? No.  Zogg | 04/03/08
Well  nmcfeters | 04/03/08
what are you talking about?  rtk | 04/03/08
Hahaha  nmcfeters | 04/04/08

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