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The selection screen is reasonable except for the screed under the IE8 browser indicating that it is "better faster safer easier". First of all, "better faster safer and easier" than what ? IE6 ? Firefox ? Safari ?...If the comparison is with IE6, then perhaps so, but compared to other browsers, a straight and blunt no !.....Not good enough I feel. At the moment that text is designed to snare the unwitting user into blind IE8 acceptance using clever wording that says everything and means nothing. Every text on every browser needs to be neutral in so far as it simply says what the browser can or cannot do. Nothing more.
Posted by: TonyOz   Posted on: 10/07/09  (Edited: 10/07/2009 @ 05:55) You are currently: a Guest | Members login | Terms of Use
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ha ha  adinas | 10/07/09
Opera is still last...  empirestatebuddy | 10/07/09
bell curve  pgit | 10/07/09
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yeah...  empirestatebuddy | 10/07/09
And another fanboi...  kaninelupus | 10/08/09
What about WSUS?  _Red_ | 10/07/09
WSUS  Mary Jo Foley ZDNet Moderator | 10/07/09
Just dont authorize it in wsus.  Been_Done_Before | 10/07/09
Microsoft is trying to play games again.  TonyOz | 10/07/09
Waaaaah!!!!  James T. Kirk | 10/07/09
Get serious JTK  TonyOz | 10/07/09
Get serious yourself  wolf_z | 10/07/09
He's likely not familiar with that.  PlayFair | 10/07/09
Web Outlook and other compatible applications.  ICUR12 | 10/07/09
No  JT82 | 10/07/09
Web Outlook  DonBurnett | 10/08/09
It would explain the...  socialism=nowhere | 10/07/09
Maybe, but...  bigsibling | 10/07/09
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It never occured with you that  GuidingLight | 10/07/09
Actually no...  Rick_K | 11/09/09
Where does anything say...  Erroneous | 10/07/09
Exactly my opinion  TonyOz | 10/07/09
I don't think its games..  NoThomas | 10/07/09
In addition  djmik | 10/07/09
of course  NoThomas | 10/07/09
MS is a monopoly, they have more rules to follow.  nuno@... | 10/07/09
The EU doesn't like MS, so they have more rules to follow.  mgp3 | 10/07/09
Everybody?  Dissy | 10/07/09
And they act like a monopoly even if only just in government by 51%  Patanjali | 10/07/09
Yes, everyone agrees that monopolies are bad  nuno@... | 10/08/09
Do you watch sports?  NoThomas | 11/05/09
So how about we class the US as a monopoly  kaninelupus | 10/08/09
Sorry, I don't follow  nuno@... | 10/08/09
Hell no, not a Yank at all!!  kaninelupus | 10/09/09
OK sorry, mister not-yanky happy  nuno@... | 10/09/09
"much of it relates to past behaviours"  Ole Man | 10/09/09
Very correct  nuno@... | 10/09/09
Give it a rest [nt]  bmonsterman | 10/07/09
"First of all, "better faster safer and easier" than what ?"  mgp3 | 10/07/09
Try Lynx  CounterEthicsCommissioner-23034636492738337469105860790963 | 10/07/09
Open source?  mgp3 | 10/07/09
With open source you know what you're running  nuno@... | 10/07/09
Whaaaat?  mgp3 | 10/07/09
Palladium?  NetArch. | 10/08/09
@NetArch - No, not Palladium  de-void | 10/08/09
NetArch: correct.  nuno@... | 10/08/09
Lynx??!  Alganon | 10/07/09
Off topic correction...  mgp3 | 10/07/09
"better faster safer and easier" than what ?  Franciscus101 | 10/07/09
Omg... Really???  mr.zachcoffman@... | 10/07/09
So are other OSes...  arkware | 10/07/09
Re; Will Linux show Flock, SeaMonkey, . .  hkommedal | 10/09/09
Bravo!  mgp3 | 10/07/09
This is more facism than socialism ...  de-void | 10/07/09
not really...  mr.zachcoffman@... | 10/07/09
Politics isn't a line ... it's a circle  de-void | 10/08/09
Hitler KILLED the socialists he could get  hkommedal | 10/09/09
Re; hitlers will get jealous and . . .  hkommedal | 10/09/09
Who cares  keoz | 10/07/09
Of course linux and apple  Viva la crank dodo | 10/07/09
Never mind. Deleted it. - Wasn't as funny as I thought it was...  mgp3 | 10/07/09
Don't  Viva la crank dodo | 10/08/09
How does Apple not control it's own desktop? [nt]  bmonsterman | 10/08/09
Sorry...  Viva la crank dodo | 10/08/09
Choices  de-void | 10/08/09
Linux doesn't need to...  Dave32265 | 10/07/09
vendors would have to supply text  royalef | 10/07/09
say what???  codedude | 10/07/09
The Whole thing is a joke  Rndmacts | 10/08/09
Not sure...  Dave32265 | 10/08/09
You are asking too much!  Ole Man | 10/08/09
So, now that you can completely uninstall IE ...  de-void | 10/08/09
...  Viva la crank dodo | 10/08/09
Good grief!!! You AGREE???  de-void | 10/08/09
Re; The user should be able to select . .  hkommedal | 10/09/09
Completely?  Dave32265 | 10/08/09
Yes. Completely.  de-void | 10/08/09
Not from what I have personally seen...  Rick_K | 11/09/09
I don't know...  NoThomas | 10/07/09
I think it is a little more complex than that NoThomas  TonyOz | 10/07/09
Maybe I don't think so though.  NoThomas | 10/07/09
Ah so it should be illegal for browsers to have catch phrases  bmonsterman | 10/07/09
You can have them...  bigsibling | 10/07/09
Let the producer provide the text  Filker0_z | 10/07/09
I think that's what's on the ballot page [nt]  bmonsterman | 10/07/09
more fudged code  dgrainge | 10/07/09
What???  UsersRevil | 10/07/09
Are you stuck in 1996?  NetArch. | 10/08/09
Orrin Hatch himself?  rtk | 10/08/09
Novell?  Ole Man | 10/08/09
Orrin Hatch is the senator from Utah.  rtk | 10/08/09
The chicken, or the egg?  Ole Man | 10/09/09
Why is Internet Explorer in the ballot screen?  nonamelab | 10/07/09
Fairness I think.  TonyOz | 10/07/09
It appears...  rapson | 10/07/09
It is still in there...  Rick_K | 11/09/09
WSUS is corporate  rtk | 11/10/09
Some businesses and IE  gypkap@... | 10/07/09
In Europe IE no longer comes with Windows  UsersRevil | 10/07/09
The Update unpins MSIE8 then gives the choice  Alganon | 10/07/09
RE: Microsoft makes changes to browser ballot screen; user testing to commence  Loverock Davidson | 10/07/09
Yes our marketplace is too complex by communicating choice  Viva la crank dodo | 10/07/09
LD's new strategy. Interesting.  CounterEthicsCommissioner-23034636492738337469105860790963 | 10/07/09
Good to see  Loverock Davidson | 10/07/09
It's probably because you are special!  B.O.F.H. | 10/07/09
Of course  Viva la crank dodo | 10/07/09
naaa . . .  clarnT | 10/07/09
Re: yaaa...  chefp | 10/07/09
No kidding  Loverock Davidson | 10/07/09
I see  Viva la crank dodo | 10/07/09
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FTP  Loverock Davidson | 10/07/09
Or theyll say  Viva la crank dodo | 10/07/09
The problem with FTP...  Dcarm | 10/07/09
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https sites??  the.seeker@... | 10/08/09
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The ballot screen will never satisfy your requirements  de-void | 10/08/09
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You need to cut back on the coffee...  PollyProteus | 10/07/09
You're prescribing meditation? Sorry, I choose not to believe in that.  humans-enabled.com | 10/07/09
Someone forgot to take their meds today....  mgp3 | 10/07/09
You must mean the blue pill -lol. Thanks but no thanks.  humans-enabled.com | 10/07/09
So you want to force users to make a choice?  UsersRevil | 10/07/09
Nope, not forcing the choice  humans-enabled.com | 10/07/09
Checkboxes to choose more than one at a time?  Spats30 | 10/07/09
I like your idea  humans-enabled.com | 10/07/09
Sounds like a total 180 for MS  Spats30 | 10/07/09
Everyone's browser that's written for Windows...  PollyProteus | 10/07/09
What I wish MS WOULD say...  mgp3 | 10/07/09
What do you think the  Viva la crank dodo | 10/08/09
Way to simple  Viva la crank dodo | 10/08/09
RE: Microsoft makes changes to browser ballot screen; user testing to commence  Gis Bun | 10/07/09
A few questions  itpro_z | 10/07/09
Sorry  Erroneous | 10/07/09
RE: Microsoft makes changes to browser ballot screen; user testing to commence  John Anderson Jr. | 10/07/09
Are europeans really this stupid?  Been_Done_Before | 10/07/09
Yes (nt)  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/07/09
And how do you go to a site with no browser installed?  mjolnar@... | 10/07/09
Turn on FTP transfer  codedude | 10/07/09
As much as people will be annoyed by the EU  Viva la crank dodo | 10/07/09
Is the ballot an html page or an app?  davidr69 | 10/07/09
Gimme a break  Jim from NoVA | 10/07/09
Are the Europeans really THAT stupid...  Narg | 10/07/09
RE: Microsoft makes changes to browser ballot screen; user testing to commence  rob.sharp@... | 10/07/09
What's Next?  Dave@... | 10/07/09
Not that I am overly concerned one way or the other in this case  Viva la crank dodo | 10/07/09
Thats why they created this new fangled idea called...  JT82 | 10/07/09
What is sad is that you do not know your history...  SpikeyMike | 10/07/09
I Think...  windozefreak | 10/07/09
Sad...  SpikeyMike | 10/08/09
RE: Microsoft makes changes to browser ballot screen; user testing to commence  gmiles1@... | 10/07/09
They shouldn't have to offer ANY other browsers...  readydave | 10/07/09
Unfair trade  fastboxster | 10/07/09
There is precedent on this with Verizon  llamasaki | 10/07/09
RE: Microsoft makes changes to browser ballot screen; user testing to comme  djnelson9715 | 10/07/09
It's called ANTI-TRUST (NT)  SpikeyMike | 10/07/09
That's not in the EU complaint!  windozefreak | 10/07/09
linear thinking...  SpikeyMike | 10/08/09
RE: Microsoft makes changes to browser ballot screen; user testing to commence  jdeerobins | 10/07/09
Silly  SpikeyMike | 10/07/09
If that is the case, Why the double jeapordy?  windozefreak | 10/07/09
The information is out there...  SpikeyMike | 10/08/09
Master Joe Says...  MasterJoe | 10/07/09
missing the point?  dgrainge | 10/07/09
RE: missing the point  readydave | 10/07/09
They fixed that with win7e.  windozefreak | 10/07/09
Missing the BIg Picture  SpikeyMike | 10/07/09
Again, that was not in the EU complaint!!!  windozefreak | 10/07/09
That's silly  bmonsterman | 10/07/09
Did you guys miss this?  SpikeyMike | 10/08/09
RE: Master Joe Says.  plumnilly | 10/17/09
This is ridiculous.....  Nsaf | 10/07/09
RE: Microsoft makes changes to browser ballot screen; user testing to commence  bobfastner | 10/07/09
Wow, amazing....  IvanImes@... | 10/07/09
What makes me furious and sad  SpikeyMike | 10/07/09
Microsoft must have some value  bmonsterman | 10/07/09
Corporate developers  SpikeyMike | 10/08/09
So your argument is that Microsoft is where they are because ...  de-void | 10/08/09
RAD Tools aren't the 'problem'  Spikey_Mike | 10/09/09
Please explain how they did this...  windozefreak | 10/07/09
They can  nuno@... | 10/07/09
You scoff at the halloween docs...  SpikeyMike | 10/08/09
Fair play and the home team  Gerardo.Tasistro | 10/07/09
Great post, Gerardo  Ole Man | 10/07/09
Fair?  de-void | 10/08/09
Quite true  Gerardo.Tasistro | 10/08/09
Fair to MS or Fair to consumer?  Spikey_Mike | 10/09/09
RE: Microsoft makes changes to browser ballot screen; user testing to comme  clarnT | 10/07/09
Absolutely unfair  keoz | 10/07/09
Patently unfair  jackbond | 10/07/09
"My ballot screen would win every time": No, IT WOULDN'T  de-void | 10/07/09
What attack against US business?  Samun56 | 10/07/09
Hmmm . . .  clarnT | 10/07/09
They (EU) definitly has and agenda  socialism=nowhere | 10/07/09
What company  Viva la crank dodo | 10/07/09
It's free and you can distribute it to who ever...  windozefreak | 10/07/09
Read the GPL...  Dave32265 | 10/07/09
Norway isn't in the EU, but is in part, European  de-void | 10/08/09
RE: Microsoft makes changes to browser ballot screen; user testing to commence  JAG39 | 10/07/09
What about Apple  pjdiller | 10/07/09
Don't be silly ...  de-void | 10/07/09
De-void  Viva la crank dodo | 10/07/09
My point ...  de-void | 10/08/09
It is no less balanced than yours  Viva la crank dodo | 10/08/09
Apple owns 100% of it's market  de-void | 10/08/09
Enter de-void the hater...  zkiwi | 10/07/09
It's not about "hate"  de-void | 10/08/09
RE: Microsoft makes changes to browser ballot screen; user testing to commence  birdmaniw | 10/07/09
RE: Microsoft makes changes to browser ballot screen; user testing to commence  randy@... | 10/07/09
Not really...  mr.zachcoffman@... | 10/07/09
All in favour?  alan.douglas@... | 10/07/09
Let them...  Dave32265 | 10/07/09
RE: Microsoft makes changes to browser ballot screen; user testing to commence  KrazyGuy | 10/07/09
My thought exactly..  tgreaves21227@... | 10/07/09
That would be great...  Dave32265 | 10/07/09
RE: Microsoft makes changes to browser ballot screen; user testing to commence  blueskip | 10/07/09
50.000.000.000 Euros in fines will some record  nuno@... | 10/07/09
Just more silly drivel!  windozefreak | 10/07/09
Nice arguments  nuno@... | 10/07/09
so, you're suggesting the fine will be 50-500 billion?  rtk | 10/07/09
If there is a fine it must be something in that order  nuno@... | 10/08/09
Anyone who thinks...  fairportfan | 10/07/09
RE: Microsoft makes changes to browser ballot screen; user testing to commence  jlutgring | 10/07/09
"It's to punish Microsoft"  Dave32265 | 10/07/09
.  Patanjali | 10/07/09
I'm in EU, and I like it  Mantvis | 10/07/09
Here's a choice...  jackbond | 10/08/09
That's not a choice!  philip.lane@... | 10/08/09
RE: Microsoft makes changes to browser ballot screen; user testing to commence  PlayFair | 10/08/09
RE: Microsoft makes changes to browser ballot screen; user testing to comme  philip.lane@... | 10/08/09
The real Issue  AndyPagin | 10/08/09
How about Apple's 100% ownership of OSX compatible machines?  de-void | 10/08/09
RE: Microsoft makes changes to browser ballot screen; user testing to commence  dimitarbt | 10/08/09
RE: Microsoft makes changes to browser ballot screen; user testing to commence  wirecutter | 10/08/09
RE: Microsoft makes changes to browser ballot screen; user testing to commence  DonBurnett | 10/08/09
RE: Microsoft makes changes to browser ballot screen; user testing to comme  skeledrew | 10/08/09
RE: Microsoft makes changes to browser ballot screen; user testing to commence  Papamambo | 10/08/09
RE: Microsoft makes changes to browser ballot screen; user testing to commence  fuqjooeu | 10/08/09
It happens all the time  nuno@... | 10/08/09
Monopolies are bad?  NoThomas | 10/09/09
Ummm, Yes they are bad...  Dave32265 | 10/09/09
so true only...  NoThomas | 10/09/09
Everybody has double standards  Ole Man | 10/09/09
The US has always had monopolies...  NoThomas | 10/10/09
Cause and effect  Ole Man | 10/10/09
RE: Microsoft makes changes to browser ballot screen; user testing to comme  nukturnal | 10/11/09
You are more than right  michael@... | 10/11/09
"I am really scared by such events"  Ole Man | 10/11/09
"Is it a crime to be popular?"  Ole Man | 10/11/09
RE: Microsoft makes changes to browser ballot screen; user testing to commence  Agnostic_OS | 11/10/09
Message has been deleted.  Franco De Besta | 11/11/09

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