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RE: European regulators, Opera weigh in on Microsoft's Windows 7 E plan
You expect Microsoft to include a distribute a COMPETITOR'S PRODUCT for free? Theye expect Microsoft to develop and support installation services for a competing product? Ever since the Windows Media Player case, I have been questioning the sanity of the EU. You guys really need to check the lead content in your water supply.

Ok then, here's how it should work: Every browser company that wishes to have their browser as a "choice" during Windows 7 install pays Microsoft a $5.00 per unit distribution fee. Microsoft includes your browser in a constantly updated list in a custom internet connected "browser installer". When users select your browser from the installer, the number of times your browser has been selected for that day is updated. You (Opera) get billed, probably Monthly, based on the number of users who selected your browser for that month. Of course, in order to mitigate buyer remorse, the alternate browser installer can be run multiple times so that the user can change browsers if they find Mosaic too limiting. How's that?

And, in order to make the solution truly fit the EU's requirements, the Alternate Browser Installer can be installed on any Windows OS with Windows Update capability. 95, 98, XP, Vista, 7 and is a Critical Update that automatically prompts the user to make a choice after installing.

That should satisfy everyone. And if we went that route (which, really, is the only fair route if you want MS to include competing products in their install), I'd tell everyone I know to use the Alternate Browser Installer to install Opera, change their minds and re-install IE, re-install Opera, change their minds again, wash, rinse, and repeat until they couldn't physically hit the mouse button again.
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Opera doesn't like the idea. What a surprize.  wolf_z | 06/12/09
I was waiting for this  djmik | 06/12/09
Possibly it is time for IE to compete  nilotpal_c | 06/12/09
You haven't been paying attention.  mikefarinha | 06/12/09
No chip on shoulder here  nilotpal_c | 06/12/09
it's not fanboism...  Fark | 06/12/09
I always thought that  nilotpal_c | 06/12/09
EU = Command Economy  Too Old For IT | 06/12/09
I really wish...  SimonUK2 | 06/13/09
Oh, wouldst that it were true...  readwryt@... | 06/15/09
um...  Badgered | 06/12/09
If it does give the choice back, well yes  nilotpal_c | 06/12/09
Actually, choice never left...  readwryt@... | 06/15/09
Wrong  UAC nanny screen | 06/15/09
Why are you so against choice?  UAC nanny screen | 06/15/09
There has always been choice  medezark@... | 06/15/09
Then stop bundling  UAC nanny screen | 06/15/09
@ anythingbutvista: Gee...  Wolfie2K3 | 06/15/09
@Wolfie2K3  UAC nanny screen | 06/15/09
Stop bundling  rtk | 06/15/09
Either one is an alternative...  UAC nanny screen | 06/15/09
I Love Choice...  windozefreak | 06/15/09
No, it's past time for the IE-wannabes to compete  mechBgon | 06/14/09
Who gets on the ballot?  gbsills | 06/15/09
A free ride...?  Wolfie2K3 | 06/15/09
Not the same  UAC nanny screen | 06/15/09
They are mad...  ShadowGIATL | 06/12/09
You are missing the point  prof123 | 06/13/09
Pay like everyone else does  Stan57 | 06/13/09
sorry buy a clue  Aussie_Troll | 06/14/09
How about THIS point, prof123...  justanitguy | 06/15/09
EU plan is justified  prof123 | 06/15/09
I'm Sorry But...  windozefreak | 06/15/09
Not at all  prof123 | 06/16/09
So your point would be that...  readwryt@... | 06/15/09
There was a time when IE wasn't bundled with Windoze  UAC nanny screen | 06/15/09
Exactly!  medezark@... | 06/15/09
so next, are we going to require toyotas to be  unclefixer@... | 06/15/09
I'm not sure it is about free distribution  TheTruthisOutThere@... | 06/12/09
You just described free distribution! And yes, its about that!!  Cayble | 06/12/09
Nothing is free  Stan57 | 06/13/09
Wait a second here  Quebec-french | 06/12/09
Cannot have it both ways  GuidingLight | 06/12/09
Well Goverment have all the right they want  Quebec-french | 06/12/09
That is the difference between us  itpro_z | 06/12/09
Ha! Don't make me laugh! What a joke!  Cayble | 06/12/09
Laugh all you want  itpro_z | 06/12/09
@ itpro_z re: History  SimonUK2 | 06/13/09
re: Well Goverment have all the right they want  M.R. Kennedy | 06/12/09
It is not that simple  GuidingLight | 06/12/09
That's garbage  UAC nanny screen | 06/15/09
Or telll them to go go get stuffed.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/12/09
EU or any country what so ever that is a once sovereign  PollyProteus | 06/19/09
Completely agreed!  Cayble | 06/12/09
Totally fair  wolf_z | 06/12/09
ok but again  Quebec-french | 06/12/09
Actually you're wrong there  nmh | 06/12/09
because you truly believe that we live in real democracy  Quebec-french | 06/12/09
I think you are still wrong  markbn | 06/12/09
Living in a Democracy sucks  mikefarinha | 06/12/09
Quebec, you are still wrong  nessrapp | 06/12/09
nessrapp Im not saying that MS did or did not  Quebec-french | 06/12/09
they are sovereign only up to a point.  GuidingLight | 06/12/09
Problem with your argument  djmik | 06/12/09
Or, bust a few EC members knee caps.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/12/09
Would you be willing to do the time with those guys?  B.O.F.H. | 06/12/09
Are you this dense?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/13/09
You went beyond a metaphor when you offered a price per kneecap  Zogg | 06/14/09
I totally agree  nessrapp | 06/12/09
this is probably one of the dumbest comments i've read  nessrapp | 06/12/09
happy that you liked it really  Quebec-french | 06/12/09
DUMB  BOSS4908 | 06/12/09
once again you seen to see this as rigth or wrong thing  Quebec-french | 06/12/09
"as to do with laws for a other country"  markbn | 06/12/09
On that you are right at a 100%  Quebec-french | 06/12/09
The EC dont know wth they're doing  nessrapp | 06/12/09
nessrap just the opposite EC know what they want  Quebec-french | 06/12/09
ok.. the EC knows what it wants, but  nessrapp | 06/12/09
Again you are confused  markbn | 06/12/09
No, you are wrong, they can NOT do anything.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/13/09
Umm, no, that's not a solution...  GoodThings2Life | 06/12/09
WOW i like you point of view  Quebec-french | 06/12/09
A point or two  seosamh_z | 06/12/09
OEM's don't bother...  zkiwi | 06/13/09
And why would EU want to satisfy Opera?  nilotpal_c | 06/12/09
Simply because...  zkiwi | 06/13/09
The browsers may be free to download  Stan57 | 06/13/09
We should be encouraging America for they are our true allies.  fr0thy2 | 06/13/09
Opera & the EU got more than they bargained for  n0oeg | 06/15/09
RE: European regulators, Opera weigh in on Microsoft's Windows 7 E plan  medezark@... | 06/12/09
MS has a conflict of interest between the OS and application markets  Zogg | 06/12/09
Why is that better?  NoThomas | 06/12/09
Please reread my original post.  Zogg | 06/12/09
This is why  prof123 | 06/13/09
You didn't really answer me...  NoThomas | 06/13/09
re  BOSS4908 | 06/12/09
LOL I like your thinking  Aussie_Troll | 06/14/09
Still not happy?  NoThomas | 06/12/09
You don't understand  wolf_z | 06/12/09
I understood that..  NoThomas | 06/12/09
So what?  markbn | 06/12/09
If that's so...  wolf_z | 06/12/09
I guess so  markbn | 06/12/09
So, why is Microsoft trying to pre-empt the EC?  zkiwi | 06/12/09
I would think..  NoThomas | 06/12/09
Well, until the EC actually hands down a ruling...  zkiwi | 06/12/09
There is nothing presumptuous  markbn | 06/12/09
@ markbn  M.R. Kennedy | 06/12/09
Great, then everyone should be happy now  markbn | 06/12/09
Is anyone surprised Opera is unhappy?  ye | 06/12/09
@YE  NoThomas | 06/12/09
Think before you post!  de-void | 06/12/09
Yes, you should read, think too  zkiwi | 06/12/09
Microsoft have already paid ...  de-void | 06/12/09
For other bad acts, not this set  zkiwi | 06/12/09
As you've pointed out elsewhere  rtk | 06/15/09
@ zkiwi  M.R. Kennedy | 06/12/09
I dunno what planet you're living on...  zkiwi | 06/12/09
Who bothers Opera?  Gladiatorcn | 06/12/09
RE: European regulators, Opera weigh in on Microsoft's Windows 7 E plan  nessrapp | 06/12/09
ok then anwser to that  Quebec-french | 06/12/09
So, EU rules hurt the EU and users inside it?  markbn | 06/12/09
if you see that it can be true  Quebec-french | 06/12/09
Exactly, that's why MS will comply with the law by removing IE from Windows  markbn | 06/12/09
I know...  nessrapp | 06/12/09
Hurt?  zkiwi | 06/13/09
What's the legal standing?  markbn | 06/12/09
The problem here is...  zkiwi | 06/13/09
RE: European regulators, Opera weigh in on Microsoft's Windows 7 E plan  newlandman | 06/12/09
EU are hating criminals!  jk_10 | 06/12/09
ha ha  nessrapp | 06/12/09
personally there no way to stop a monopoly in any ways except  Quebec-french | 06/12/09
You obviously have learned nothing from history...  GoodThings2Life | 06/12/09
i dont think that at this point it as anything to do with ..  Quebec-french | 06/12/09
yours?  seosamh_z | 06/12/09
The EU can...  GoodThings2Life | 06/12/09
Sadly this time  Quebec-french | 06/12/09
RE: European regulators, Opera weigh in on Microsoft's Windows 7 E plan  me_topher2 | 06/12/09
Who Cares about EU  FromThe80s | 06/12/09
I think that yes  Quebec-french | 06/12/09
Not the EU, its the EC horors (spelled to beat censor bot)  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/13/09
RE: European regulators, Opera weigh in on Microsoft's Windows 7 E plan  Loverock Davidson | 06/12/09
RE: European regulators, Opera weigh in on Microsoft's Windows 7 E plan  nessrapp | 06/12/09
That would be great  Loverock Davidson | 06/12/09
Nice and delusional (as per usual)  zkiwi | 06/12/09
i know it was very presumptuous  nessrapp | 06/12/09
They're unlikely to file a lawsuit. But if the EC doesn't accept...  ye | 06/12/09
Considering that...  zkiwi | 06/12/09
They may, they may not. That remains to be seen.  ye | 06/12/09
Care to show why the US government would care?  zkiwi | 06/12/09
Ballot Screen Ballot Screen  johnfenjackson@... | 06/12/09
Ballot screen as an Open Source project  Zogg | 06/14/09
Put the cost of the Ballot Screen on Win 7  cowatson | 06/12/09
Can I be on the ballot screen?  DevStar | 06/12/09
Your browser doesn't sound very useful...  Zogg | 06/12/09
Wow, that one went right over your head, didn't it?  James T. Kirk | 06/13/09
It's called "calling a bluff"...  Zogg | 06/14/09
Failed to call his bluff  rtk | 06/15/09
Somehow, I suspect that you won't be happy with ANYTHING...  Zogg | 06/17/09
The ballot screen is unfair and unnecessary  TheWerewolf | 06/12/09
Ballot Screen? How?  jk_10 | 06/12/09
SPOT ON  mlambert890@... | 06/12/09
RE: European regulators, Opera weigh in on Microsoft's Windows 7 E plan  DonBurnett | 06/12/09
This case is a joke, and so is EU!  jk_10 | 06/12/09
Does MS play by the rules?  prof123 | 06/13/09
Totally agree. This is yet another socialist nonsense.  KeyserSozeRulz | 06/15/09
This is just embarassing  marksashton | 06/12/09
Odd...  zkiwi | 06/12/09
You forgot something....  seosamh_z | 06/13/09
However...  zkiwi | 06/13/09
Opera isn't happy? There's a surprise.  James T. Kirk | 06/12/09
The truth is, Ppera wants MS to do all their marketing for them  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/12/09
Opps, Opera  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/12/09
You can reedit your posts even after you submit them.  B.O.F.H. | 06/12/09
Wow. The U.S cowed and on the run!  timlondon1 | 06/12/09
Have you watched "Conspiracy Theory" too many times?  zkiwi | 06/12/09
Lost sight of the big picture i think.  timlondon1 | 06/14/09
One thing you forget...  zkiwi | 06/14/09
-------  medezark@... | 06/15/09
There's a flaw in your reality  zkiwi | 06/15/09
money is money  desamuelson | 06/15/09
Its time for the US government to step in  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/13/09
Why would the US government care?  B.O.F.H. | 06/13/09
RE: European regulators, Opera weigh in on Microsoft's Windows 7 E plan  Edesw88 | 06/13/09
50,000 jobs?  zkiwi | 06/13/09
umm  desamuelson | 06/15/09
I like the FastFood Analogy  BroGnorik | 06/13/09
LOL  EmperorDarius | 06/13/09
what?  desamuelson | 06/15/09
Opera wants a free ride, nothing less  echostorm | 06/15/09
Master Joe Says...  MasterJoe | 06/15/09
I'm pro EU but...  pico_D | 06/15/09
Remedy avoidance  pwatson | 06/15/09
RE: European regulators, Opera weigh in on Microsoft's Windows 7 E plan  pagraves | 06/15/09
It doesn't matter what the subject, ZDNet readers  softwareFlunky | 06/15/09
but 'Flunky  desamuelson | 06/15/09
How to fund socialist budgets and retirements  KeyserSozeRulz | 06/15/09
More EU handwringing  readwryt@... | 06/15/09
The EU is ridiculous  sgtm8@... | 06/15/09
I know, it seems silly..huh?  readwryt@... | 06/15/09
It's hell if you do - it's hell if you don't!  mwagner@... | 06/15/09
So...  zkiwi | 06/15/09
RE: European regulators, Opera weigh in on Microsoft's Windows 7 E plan  madonnab-22806585189010382863183061855755 | 06/15/09
RE: European regulators, Opera weigh in on Microsoft's Windows 7 E plan  mike002 | 06/15/09
RE: European regulators, Opera weigh in on Microsoft's Windows 7 E plan  zdnet-gregc | 06/16/09
Which browsers are on the ballot?  zdnet-gregc | 06/16/09
RE: European regulators, Opera weigh in on Microsoft's Windows 7 E plan  jfreedle2@... | 06/20/09
RE: European regulators, Opera weigh in on Microsoft's Windows 7 E plan  cocococo013 | 11/16/09

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