Yes, it's very lame
eb276 | 06/11/09
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But it makes them compliant
Michael Kelly | 06/11/09
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You are right
eb276 | 06/11/09
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Great article!
jeremiah08 | 06/11/09
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But it makes them compliant...
bill.andersen@... | 06/12/09
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What a rude Cretin
An Old Man | 06/12/09
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Cretin?
bill.andersen@... | 06/16/09
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What on Earth are you on about?
philip.lane@... | 06/16/09
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What on Earth are you on about?
bill.andersen@... | 06/16/09
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Re: What on Earth are you on about?
alec.wood@... | 07/07/09
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Maybe Moblin Fastboot Win 7 E...
BillDem | 06/11/09
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If Microsoft doesn't offer an EU Edition ...
mwagner@... | 06/11/09
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Very good point
thx-1138_@... | 06/11/09
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It's not...
Dave32265 | 06/12/09
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The point is, it is being forced on Microsoft ...
mwagner@... | 06/12/09
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"Micrsoft has no say in OEM decisions "
Dave32265 | 06/12/09
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Why should it be the OEM's decision?
UAC nanny screen | 06/12/09
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Micrsoft has no say in OEM decisions ?!?!?!?!
alec.wood@... | 07/07/09
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Same End Result
kyn_67@... | 06/12/09
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"Lack of a way to get a choice".
Dave32265 | 06/12/09
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Missing the point
bigsibling | 06/12/09
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Still not up to the EU
kyn_67@... | 06/12/09
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It is up to the EU
Dave32265 | 06/12/09
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@bigsibling...
Dave32265 | 06/12/09
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@Dave32265
kyn_67@... | 06/12/09
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@Dave32265
notsofast | 06/12/09
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Ummmm OK....
Dave32265 | 06/12/09
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No!
PhilippeV | 06/12/09
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Yes, it's very lame
windozefreak | 06/11/09
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Anti-Trust ruling = socialism BS
LBiege | 06/11/09
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Democratic government = socialist by definition
Patanjali | 06/11/09
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Try again.
LBiege | 06/12/09
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execution?
desamuelson | 06/15/09
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The real choice
anilmani | 06/12/09
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Won't work without anti-trust backing
alec.wood@... | 07/07/09
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Um, no.
tony.g | 06/12/09
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Stereo analogy
thecmpguru@... | 06/12/09
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Agreed! I'ts called "Turnkey"
kyn_67@... | 06/12/09
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I guess you prefer the redmomd/kim yong il way
InAction Man | 06/12/09
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... but MS should have done this years ago.
Too Old For IT | 06/12/09
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You must use XP
notsofast | 06/12/09
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The probable result
blaacksheep | 06/12/09
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The EU is not a software company
skippu | 06/11/09
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Just because SOMEONE will say it...
TheWerewolf | 06/11/09
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And because SOMEONE will HAVE to respond
de-void | 06/11/09
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Why find those balls ...
jongunn@... | 06/11/09
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so, we wait for the monopoly ?
animageofmine1 | 06/12/09
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it's to crush Microsoft
Too Old For IT | 06/12/09
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And the USA is not a car company.
toxic psychotic avenger | 06/11/09
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It's completely different...
Dave32265 | 06/11/09
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Unlikely
alec.wood@... | 07/07/09
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I so much agree with you
animageofmine1 | 06/12/09
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I so much agree with you (typo corrected)
animageofmine1 | 06/12/09
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RE: Microsoft proposes launching an IE-free Windows 7 'E' in Europe
mikegalos@... | 06/11/09
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hurting consumers
Mary Jo Foley | 06/11/09
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MJ, my understanding is
eb276 | 06/11/09
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Support Costs
DaveN_MVP | 06/11/09
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Reply to MJ
mikegalos@... | 06/11/09
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The same way ...
jongunn@... | 06/11/09
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Still liable
bklooste | 06/11/09
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Consumers dont go to Downloads.com
A.Sinic | 06/11/09
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@A.Sinic
M.R. Kennedy | 06/11/09
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How does this option not allow for this?
ye | 06/11/09
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wont work
bklooste | 06/11/09
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One more scenario
kyn_67@... | 06/12/09
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Best browser?
rapson | 06/11/09
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Because Mary Jo ...
mwagner@... | 06/11/09
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You are missing the point
prof123 | 06/12/09
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Because it sets a precedence that is horrifying in the least
de-void | 06/11/09
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Nobody is against ...
jongunn@... | 06/11/09
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You said in your article that they offered to take it out?
windozefreak | 06/11/09
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Still wrong to force MS to bundle competitors browser
kyn_67@... | 06/12/09
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because...
desamuelson | 06/15/09
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RE: Microsoft proposes launching an IE-free Windows 7 'E' in Europe
Loverock Davidson | 06/11/09
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This is a smart move by Microsoft
TheTruthisOutThere@... | 06/11/09
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even more smart
bklooste | 06/11/09
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"fully useless"?
nizuse | 06/11/09
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notice he did not reply
kyn_67@... | 06/12/09
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What is YOUR solution?
TheWerewolf | 06/11/09
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I agree
groovepoint@... | 06/11/09
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Agree, You can't get there from here
sboverie@... | 06/12/09
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On a stripped down version of Windows...
Dave32265 | 06/12/09
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No, it isn't lame
jlandheer | 06/11/09
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Ever heard of the CD?
A.Sinic | 06/11/09
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ever heard of non technical people ?
animageofmine1 | 06/12/09
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This is by far the most reasonable solution
Michael Kelly | 06/11/09
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Offering no browser in a modern OS
LiquidLearner | 06/11/09
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RE: Microsoft proposes launching an IE-free Windows 7 'E' in Europe
Djblois | 06/11/09
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D*********************
desamuelson | 06/15/09
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RE: Microsoft proposes launching an IE-free Windows 7 'E' in Europe
Cyrorm | 06/11/09
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Why bother? By making an IE free version of Windows...
ye | 06/11/09
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You misread the article
LiquidLearner | 06/11/09
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No, I did not. But I can see how what I wrote could lead you to...
ye | 06/11/09
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No, they could not do this.
TheTruthisOutThere@... | 06/11/09
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Re: breach of contract
Cyrorm | 06/11/09
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"Apparently he free market is dead, or close to it.... "
Dave32265 | 06/12/09
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The Government by legislature forced them to breach the contract!
windozefreak | 06/11/09
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I can't see why anyone would object to this.
ye | 06/11/09
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why object to this?
Mary Jo Foley | 06/11/09
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That's not Microsoft's problem.
ye | 06/11/09
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Microsoft's problem (or not)
Mary Jo Foley | 06/11/09
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The remedy should correct the violation.
ye | 06/11/09
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EU just make problem from none problem
jk_10 | 06/11/09
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You're thinking about this all wrong
Michael Kelly | 06/11/09
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A lot of things are not 'necessary' on most OSs
Patanjali | 06/11/09
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It's my understanding...
rapson | 06/11/09
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Of course you are corret MJ but,
rolnmrbl@... | 06/11/09
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Ironically, there is more trouble / headache ...
mwagner@... | 06/11/09
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Crapware
Ctolkach@... | 06/11/09
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Unfortunately...
A.Sinic | 06/11/09
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There was a time when IE wasn't bundled in Windoze
UAC nanny screen | 06/12/09
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You're not paying attention Mary.
msemily | 06/11/09
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If the EU were being fair, they would ...
mwagner@... | 06/12/09
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Flawed logic
UAC nanny screen | 06/12/09
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Fair?
zkiwi | 06/13/09
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Why would OEM's have to bundle anything?...
Dave32265 | 06/12/09
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The vast majority of consumers
Michael Kelly | 06/11/09
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Welcome to 1993!
ye | 06/11/09
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re: The vast majority of consumers
M.R. Kennedy | 06/11/09
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As I said
Michael Kelly | 06/11/09
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I Tkae Exception
windozefreak | 06/11/09
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re: As I said
M.R. Kennedy | 06/11/09
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FTP is not so complicate
PhilippeV | 06/13/09
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Well put again
dfolk2 | 06/11/09
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@dfolk
M.R. Kennedy | 06/11/09
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Thanks for the info
dfolk2 | 06/12/09
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Siccin' Bo on MS
M.R. Kennedy | 06/12/09
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cant give you the...
desamuelson | 06/15/09
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Let's not blame Microsoft because the EU ...
mwagner@... | 06/11/09
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@mwagner
M.R. Kennedy | 06/11/09
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Of course, you are correct. Look how ...
mwagner@... | 06/12/09
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Mary Jo
windozefreak | 06/11/09
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Unless you forgot ...
msdead | 06/12/09
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RE: Microsoft proposes launching an IE-free Windows 7 'E' in Europe
arknu | 06/11/09
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We'll know why if the EU doesn't accept this proposal.
ye | 06/11/09
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The impossible for Microsoft
Ole Man | 06/11/09
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RE: seems to be trivial for Linux
dougbeer | 06/11/09
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Quite often?
InAction Man | 06/11/09
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RE: Microsoft proposes launching an IE-free Windows 7 'E' in Europe
djmik | 06/11/09
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RE: Microsoft proposes launching an IE-free Windows 7 'E' in Europe
jgkov | 06/11/09
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RE: Microsoft proposes launching an IE-free Windows 7 'E' in Europe
John.Murray | 06/11/09
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I think the vast majority haven't.
ye | 06/11/09
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Yes and the people have spoken!
Franciscus101 | 06/11/09
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Cast them out....
Christian_<>< | 06/11/09
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No, Not Overseeas, Just EC controlled Areas. (N/T)
windozefreak | 06/11/09
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RE: Microsoft proposes launching an IE-free Windows 7 'E' in Europe
wwgorman | 06/11/09
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Look to the EU for the Browser
wwgorman | 06/11/09
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See M. R. Kennedy's post above (edited)
Ole Man | 06/11/09
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@ The Old Fool
M.R. Kennedy | 06/11/09
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Completely wrong.
PhilippeV | 06/12/09
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RE: Microsoft proposes launching an IE-free Windows 7 'E' in Europe
cleanwake | 06/11/09
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I propose...
no_zd_user_name | 06/11/09
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Is that going to happen?
NStalnecker | 06/11/09
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Hey , good info
dfolk2 | 06/11/09
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RE: Microsoft proposes launching an IE-free Windows 7 'E' in Europe
erniem1970@... | 06/11/09
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Will sell as well as Windows sans Media Player
No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/11/09
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Without either a lower price or a means to download an alternate browser...
Zogg | 06/11/09
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Agree
nizuse | 06/11/09
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Probably
Michael Kelly | 06/11/09
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Unintended consequences of EU interference
mwagner@... | 06/11/09
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EU's intent is clear, punish the success
jk_10 | 06/11/09
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And abuse...
SimonUK2 | 06/12/09
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Re: And abuse...
jfhampton | 06/15/09
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Having to choose
PhilippeV | 06/13/09
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EU antitrust case is stupid
groovepoint@... | 06/11/09
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RE: Microsoft proposes launching an IE-free Windows 7 'E' in Europe
jjfahl@... | 06/11/09
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FTP. Until the EU decides MS is violating anti-trust laws by including FTP.
ye | 06/11/09
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Far too dramatic. How about "wget" instead?
Zogg | 06/11/09
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a FTP client is not a big deal
PhilippeV | 06/12/09
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@jjfahl
M.R. Kennedy | 06/11/09
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"Ask the Old Fool"
Ole Man | 06/12/09
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Shut up fool!!!
InAction Man | 06/13/09
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Now who's the fool again? FOOL!
transposeIT | 06/15/09
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The same way people did back in the stone age before Microsoft bundled IE
zkiwi | 06/15/09
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Obvious
A.Sinic | 06/11/09
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RE: Microsoft proposes launching an IE-free Windows 7 'E' in Europe
ezimmermann@... | 06/11/09
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How USELESS
chaz15 | 06/11/09
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Cool
eMJayy | 06/11/09
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People who build their own computers
chaz15 | 06/11/09
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That's a point, but...
eMJayy | 06/11/09
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"in Linux, you don't need a browser to get a browser"
Ole Man | 06/12/09
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No true OS requires a browser to do anything
InAction Man | 06/13/09
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For basement bums who don't work for a living....maybe.
transposeIT | 06/15/09
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Yeah, toasters don't need browsers...Mine comes with Linux.
transposeIT | 06/15/09
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Not a problem
PhilippeV | 06/13/09
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But, It's What The EC Mandates!!!! (N/T)
windozefreak | 06/11/09
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EU is monopoly itself
jk_10 | 06/11/09
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RE: Microsoft proposes launching an IE-free Windows 7 'E' in Europe ?
digitrog | 06/11/09
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RE: Microsoft proposes launching an IE-free Windows 7 'E' in Europe
ci1205@... | 06/11/09
|
MS also needs to make unique EU license keys to ensure...
ye | 06/11/09
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MS should refuse to sell
cauleyflower | 06/11/09
|

oh that would be nice!
InAction Man | 06/11/09
|
 
Europe could follow Munich and their 6-year old Linux migration...
transposeIT | 06/15/09
|

Thats exactly the wrong behavior.
msemily | 06/11/09
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RE: Microsoft proposes launching an IE-free Windows 7 'E' in Europe
julie@... | 06/11/09
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Do the right thing?!
spinella@... | 06/11/09
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We should not tolerate EU's stupidity?
jk_10 | 06/11/09
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RE: Microsoft proposes launching an IE-free Windows 7 'E' in Europe
julie@... | 06/11/09
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DO NOT WANT!
zdneter0000 | 06/11/09
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I don't see the issue
Alzie | 06/11/09
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Totally non-sense
marvans | 06/11/09
|

if they offer other
desamuelson | 06/15/09
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who the hell wants iexplorer anyway NT
wizardb@... | 06/11/09
|

I do, and ...
jk_10 | 06/12/09
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I'll second that ........ [nt]
goldenpirate@... | 06/12/09
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RE: Microsoft proposes launching an IE-free Windows 7 'E' in Europe
aiden333@... | 06/11/09
|
Apple - Safari and the software it installs?
Brissietex | 06/11/09
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I do agree with you
nessrapp | 06/12/09
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Already covered, please read posts B4 posting
bill.andersen@... | 06/12/09
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I would have thought that after all this time...
zkiwi | 06/11/09
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Ah, but the EU doesn'rt make it that easy
A.Sinic | 06/11/09
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Most people...
zkiwi | 06/12/09
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simple,
desamuelson | 06/15/09
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Hell yeah I'd buy it
Shinsengumi | 06/11/09
|

Too much of a dream to come true in the U.S.
msdead | 06/12/09
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RE: Microsoft proposes launching an IE-free Windows 7 'E' in Europe
stewartwallace@... | 06/11/09
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Would help me out of a problem
jdaughtry@... | 06/11/09
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So what happens to all the apps that use IE to render via OLE?
bklooste | 06/11/09
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This will result in IE being the ONLY browser...
bklooste | 06/11/09
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RE: Microsoft proposes launching an IE-free Windows 7 'E' in Europe
EricVM | 06/11/09
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RE: Microsoft proposes launching an IE-free Windows 7 'E' in Europe
blake stone | 06/11/09
|
Stupid EU
Luke7 | 06/11/09
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If MS has to do this then so should Apple.
custserv@... | 06/11/09
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This is just a slap in the face to the EU.........
TonyOz | 06/11/09
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RE: Microsoft proposes launching an IE-free Windows 7 'E' in Europe
ozguy | 06/11/09
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RE: Microsoft proposes launching an IE-free Windows 7 'E' in Europe
imtarnold-21536227512690181103458892600216 | 06/12/09
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Wow. That means.....
GOTBO | 06/12/09
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why isn't Apple getting the stick?
nessrapp | 06/12/09
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Windows updates
perversion2003@... | 06/12/09
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re: Wow. That means.....
goldenpirate@... | 06/12/09
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"users" will never learn
Ole Man | 06/12/09
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In 3 Years When the User Reinstalls Win7....
dunn@... | 06/12/09
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RE: Microsoft proposes launching an IE-free Windows 7 'E' in Europe
nessrapp | 06/12/09
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RE: Microsoft proposes launching an IE-free Windows 7 'E' in Europe
solyom@... | 06/12/09
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See who hurts more...
bill.andersen@... | 06/12/09
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Maybe, maybe not
solyom@... | 06/16/09
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Are you kidding me????
vbp1 | 06/12/09
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Not quite the same
solyom@... | 06/16/09
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As an European...
IT_Critic | 06/12/09
|

Exactly!!
bill.andersen@... | 06/12/09
|

re: As an European...
goldenpirate@... | 06/12/09
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HAHAHAHAHHAHA!
EmperorDarius | 06/12/09
|

good one...
nessrapp | 06/12/09
|

Get a life..
bill.andersen@... | 06/12/09
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RE: Microsoft proposes launching an IE-free Windows 7 'E' in Europe
Sirgwain | 06/12/09
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RE: Microsoft proposes launching an IE-free Windows 7 'E' in Europe
Mantei Woodcraft Ltd. | 06/12/09
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RE: Microsoft proposes launching an IE-free Windows 7 'E' in Europe
Try2Ketchup | 06/12/09
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RE: Microsoft proposes launching an IE-free Windows 7 'E' in Europe
szwarc@... | 06/12/09
|
Microsoft and IE-free Windows 7 undermines own position on OS
tmsassoc | 06/12/09
|
I want it!!
don3605 | 06/12/09
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RE: Microsoft proposes launching an IE-free Windows 7 'E' in Europe
deejtheroth | 06/12/09
|
Oh this stuff is really ticking me off...
readwryt@... | 06/12/09
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Wow, I guess I will buy my Win 7 in Europe...
mikifinaz1@... | 06/12/09
|

Going to Europe just to buy an IE-less Windows. You're as stupid as the EC.
transposeIT | 06/16/09
|
Pull out of Europe
Simbey | 06/12/09
|

That would be too good to become true.
InAction Man | 06/13/09
|

Only one problem with that
Ole Man | 06/13/09
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RE: Microsoft proposes launching an IE-free Windows 7 'E' in Europe
Nobu_z | 06/13/09
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RE: Microsoft proposes launching an IE-free Windows 7 'E' in Europe
dwd1949 | 06/14/09
|
Microsoft still wins
voska1 | 06/15/09
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which people and where? (NT)
desamuelson | 06/15/09
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RE: Microsoft proposes launching an IE-free Windows 7 'E' in Europe
philip.lane@... | 06/16/09
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RE: Microsoft proposes launching an IE-free Windows 7 'E' in Europe
wanderson | 06/18/09
|
Europe is Open_Source
Christian_<>< | 06/18/09
|
EU Will Get Windows 7 E Full License Versions at Upgrade Prices
cnfrisch | 07/06/09
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RE: Microsoft proposes launching an IE-free Windows 7 'E' in Europe
_Rej_ | 07/10/09
|