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Hurting consumers.
"But I think it?s harder to prove Microsoft?s policies have hurt consumers."

No, it's not difficult at all. Microsoft's persistent refusal to adhere to W3C standards has made many web sites utterly or partially unusable for non-IE users. alltel.com, for example. With Firefox, I can barely access the site to pay bills--the user id and password boxes are partially obscured--and trying to use some features only results in a pop-up telling me I need to download the latest version of IE. Not just the latest version of whatever browser I'm using, specifically the latest version of IE. That, of course, is pointless--I have no Windows machines. Multiply my experience by that of millions of other Linux and Apple users who can't use IE and it's obvious that Microsoft's Embrace, Extend, and Extinguish tactics have hurt a lot of consumers.
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Hurting consumers.  Henrik Moller | 05/04/09
Is that IE's fault?  jk_10 | 05/04/09
Logic?  Economister | 05/04/09
The reason that people create IE only web sites is because it is bundled  DonnieBoy | 05/04/09
what should i say?  jk_10 | 05/04/09
Well, a kindergartner would be able to understand that bundling with a  DonnieBoy | 05/04/09
Exactly...  eMJayy | 05/04/09
for the record  DonBurnett | 05/04/09
Ok, but, then why did MS need to bundle if it was the best???  DonnieBoy | 05/04/09
Message has been deleted.  DonnieBoy | 05/05/09
What you say makes no sense  daengbo | 05/05/09
"mea culpa" would work  Jack-Booted EULA | 05/05/09
In other words...  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 05/05/09
Less than 70% HARDLY makes a monopoly...  Marty R. Milette | 05/05/09
The monopoly is with the operating system, NOT the bundled product.  DonnieBoy | 05/05/09
You and Microsoft are at fault...  zkiwi | 05/04/09
No Shirt, No Shoes,  Erroneous | 05/11/09
ha!  DonBurnett | 05/04/09
Back in the IE6 day..  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 05/05/09
Excuse, me we are talking about a convicted monopolist here  CodeCurmudgeon | 05/12/09
Is there a law?  rapson | 05/04/09
No, the thing is intentionally not following standards to disadvantage  DonnieBoy | 05/04/09
Missing the Point  Economister | 05/04/09
Missing another point  Samic | 05/04/09
The argument isn't much at all to do...  zkiwi | 05/04/09
You mean Windows doesn't allow other browsers? & you want FORCED Standards?  xuniL_z | 05/05/09
Go away psycho  zkiwi | 05/06/09
Freedom vs. Forced standards  tmsbrdrs | 05/07/09
The web has been doing quite fine...  Marty R. Milette | 05/12/09
Have you tried to buy a PC without Windows lately?  CodeCurmudgeon | 05/12/09
Who are YOU to judge?  Marty R. Milette | 05/13/09
Standards, generally  Too Old For IT | 05/11/09
RE: Microsoft to defend its IE policies in closed-door antitrust hearing  Loverock Davidson | 05/04/09
Now I know the EC is going to prevail...  zkiwi | 05/04/09
Microsoft will be victorious  Loverock Davidson | 05/04/09
I was hurt by having IE installed  tmsbrdrs | 05/07/09
Do you not understand...  Marty R. Milette | 05/08/09
Are you talking about the 2001 OS?  xuniL_z | 05/08/09
What about the millions with IE specific viruses?  CodeCurmudgeon | 05/12/09
Product Description...  randomnoise | 05/05/09
The EU's case has nothing to do with consumers...  PollyProteus | 05/05/09
Is there any OS distribution anywhere without a browser?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/04/09
Does not matter, bundling is ONLY illegal when you have a monopoly, AND,  DonnieBoy | 05/04/09
Actually, no, it isn't  Lerianis | 05/04/09
Still, Microsoft testified in court that they get NO advange from bundling.  DonnieBoy | 05/04/09
EU can't produce so they STEAL...look at the Media Player case...  xuniL_z | 05/05/09
Obviously the media play remedy did not work, since MS had already created  DonnieBoy | 05/05/09
Donnie.....ARE YOU A REAL HUMAN?? Seriously dude.  xuniL_z | 05/05/09
Just sitting toght  Too Old For IT | 05/11/09
Message has been deleted.  DonnieBoy | 05/05/09
30 years behind the US?  CodeCurmudgeon | 05/12/09
nope...  doh123 | 05/04/09
Message has been deleted.  DonnieBoy | 05/05/09
Follow EU's rules  nizuse | 05/04/09
But, hey, I bet MS would hire him to handle their strategy with the EU.  DonnieBoy | 05/04/09
somali pirates more honest than EU  otaddy | 05/05/09
Forcing MS to compete on the merits is like Piracy??? You have a warped  DonnieBoy | 05/05/09
Oh my!  nizuse | 05/05/09
Why do you hate Microsoft so much?  B.O.F.H. | 05/04/09
Probably because...  PollyProteus | 05/05/09
You said Google. Let me ask...  xuniL_z | 05/07/09
Have you considered...  zkiwi | 05/04/09
For MS to become "evil and wicked". They had to beat IBM, SUN, APPLE, UNIX.  xuniL_z | 05/07/09
It should go pretty well  MissingMatter | 05/04/09
No reason to bundle at all! And, you should be able to COMPLETELY uninstall  DonnieBoy | 05/04/09
Then how would I download another browser?  MissingMatter | 05/04/09
You must think MS is really stupid?? A browser download tool would be  DonnieBoy | 05/04/09
re: a browser download tool  MissingMatter | 05/04/09
And, why does MS find it sooo hard to compete on the merits?? If IE is sooo  DonnieBoy | 05/04/09
It's not an issue of whether it's necessity, it's an issue of fairness  MissingMatter | 05/04/09
What, guaranteed distribution of your product on each and every computrer  DonnieBoy | 05/04/09
Hit the nail right on the head  Lerianis | 05/04/09
I can see it now. . .  CodeCurmudgeon | 05/12/09
A practical question or two  Earthling2 | 05/04/09
If you buy Windows at Best Buy, they will also offer free CDs from the  DonnieBoy | 05/04/09
And how would those manufacturers choose  MissingMatter | 05/04/09
Come on, sure, there would have to be some rules and oversight, but  DonnieBoy | 05/04/09
Regulation  MissingMatter | 05/04/09
Who said there has to be any restriction??? Just rules, and show that you  DonnieBoy | 05/04/09
Re: Who said there has to be any restriction??? Just rules, and show that y  MissingMatter | 05/04/09
In any case, letting MS decide is like the fox guarding the chicken coup.  DonnieBoy | 05/05/09
Re: In any case, letting MS decide is like the fox guarding the chicken cou  MissingMatter | 05/05/09
But, this is all so simple!!! Since IE is the best browser, the bundling is  DonnieBoy | 05/05/09
Think of the consumers  Pslags | 05/04/09
Ok, fair enough. Lets let the OEMs decide which browser to bundle. Problem  DonnieBoy | 05/05/09
Message has been deleted.  DonnieBoy | 05/05/09
Advantage vs. Unfair Advantage  MissingMatter | 05/04/09
Sorry, but you are wrong.  randomnoise | 05/05/09
Microsoft is not threatening OEMs  MissingMatter | 05/05/09
IE8 and Microsoft rocks  iHateLusers | 05/05/09
Check your facts...  randomnoise | 05/05/09
I agree with one thing...  socialism=nowhere | 05/05/09
Any evidences that MS did it on purpose?  Dealing | 05/05/09
Re: But, this is all so simple!!! Since IE is the best browser, the bundlin  MissingMatter | 05/05/09
Any advantage you get from bundling with a monopoly product is illegal.  DonnieBoy | 05/05/09
I've been over this before  MissingMatter | 05/05/09
That is not the law either here in the US or in Europe. That is  DonnieBoy | 05/05/09
What does law actually say DB?  ITLeader | 05/07/09
The Bush administration. . .  CodeCurmudgeon | 05/12/09
I use BOTH  Marty R. Milette | 05/05/09
And, if IE were not bundled, you would STILL be able to do that. Why on  DonnieBoy | 05/05/09
Are people too stupid?  Marty R. Milette | 05/08/09
Wow, anger issues abound  goff256 | 05/09/09
Bundling a browser: thoughts...  Mitch 74 | 05/05/09
RE: Microsoft to defend its IE policies in closed-door antitrust hearing  brucedavis49 | 05/06/09
RE: Microsoft to defend its IE policies in closed-door antitrust hearing  mr020radioman@... | 05/06/09
Meh...  goff256 | 05/07/09
The irony of it .....  Dr.C | 05/12/09
RE: Microsoft to defend its IE policies in closed-door antitrust hearing  winstephen@... | 05/16/09
rediculous waste of time  kaninelupus | 05/18/09

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