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Opera should do their jobs
Opera don't care much one way or another whether or not Windows includes a browser.

What they really want, as MJ points out, is for MS to ship other browsers, including Opera.

Why? Because their browser has such a dreadfully small market share and they just can't convince enough people to give Opera a try.

So rather than consider creative ways in which they might be able to increase thier adoption numbers, the go whining to the EU moaning about how they have such a hard time getting people to use their (frankly mediocre) browser.

Note - Opera is a European company. Anyone else notice soemthing odd about a European company trying to get the European Union Government to twist the arm of an American software company to force it to ship a European browser?

Great business sense there guys.
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Opera should do their jobs  de-void | 03/04/09
Mozilla and Google aren't European.  LeoD | 03/04/09
Opera is Norwegian  A.Sinic | 03/05/09
The more interesting point is ...  mwagner@... | 03/05/09
Opera is more like a distant 5th...  BillDem | 03/05/09
Europeans do mind...  mcicogni | 03/05/09
You are a spokesperson for the entire European Union?  xuniL_z | 03/06/09
You are a spokesperson for the entire European Union?  xuniL_z | 03/06/09
So it doesn't matter that the monopolist is anticompetitive  Mikael_z | 03/05/09
They can...  Sleeper Service | 03/05/09
Not what I was saying.  LeoD | 03/05/09
Norway...  SimonUK2 | 03/05/09
Norway ...  de-void | 03/05/09
Not correct...  linux for me | 03/05/09
Re: Frontpage  MissingMatter | 03/06/09
Norway: a clarification and some reflections  goyta | 03/05/09
Denmark is in the EU.  nizuse | 03/06/09
"& ?"  Intellihence | 03/06/09
D'accord mon ami !  Merlin_Magii | 03/05/09
"...we europeans..."  PollyProteus | 03/05/09
That should earn you a nice bonus from Redmond !  Merlin_Magii | 03/05/09
MS zelots unite!  mjolnar@... | 03/05/09
This message is for mjolnar@  Intellihence | 03/06/09
Opera + IE  Budster1 | 03/05/09
"Enough of this crap about IE being bundled with Windows"  Dave32265 | 03/05/09
integrated!  William_Collins@... | 03/05/09
Google OS...  BillDem | 03/05/09
Integration...  Wolfie2K3 | 03/06/09
Remove yourself.  Marty R. Milette | 03/05/09
I Did...  Dave32265 | 03/05/09
Riiiight...  Selvarin | 03/05/09
Exactly!  williamacole@... | 03/05/09
Law suits  yeochief | 03/05/09
Btw, PC manufacturers have been ......  Merlin_Magii | 03/05/09
support  derbaff | 03/05/09
Yeah, RIGHT...  t5j1sr | 03/05/09
monopolist is anticompetitive  aussieblnd@... | 03/05/09
Wanna check the facts..?  Wolfie2K3 | 03/06/09
Life isn't fair... Get over it.  Wolfie2K3 | 03/06/09
Of course they're not ... they're just pouring gasoline on the fire  de-void | 03/05/09
Sanity returns ... Aahhh!  williamacole@... | 03/05/09
...someone in the relevant part of the EU just wants to mess with Microsoft  PollyProteus | 03/05/09
Let's mess with poor little microsoft?  Merlin_Magii | 03/05/09
Silly post is silly.  Sleeper Service | 03/05/09
No. Most people use Windows because they did not know  hkommedal | 03/05/09
Sounds like your beef should be with...  MGP2 | 03/05/09
Say it isn't so!  Wolfie2K3 | 03/06/09
it does everything they want it to do?.  Merlin_Magii | 03/05/09
you forgot antivirus and defragging  tmsbrdrs | 03/05/09
Who's fault is it...  tikigawd | 03/05/09
@tikigawd  tmsbrdrs | 03/05/09
Sounds to me like you don't know how to use a computer  MGP2 | 03/05/09
@tikigawd - Shame on you!  MGP2 | 03/05/09
Try running Windows without doing any of those  tmsbrdrs | 03/05/09
@tmsbrdrs - Whether you choose...  MGP2 | 03/05/09
Oh, you missed his point entirely....  MGP2 | 03/05/09
Well, yes but....  phatkat | 03/05/09
Europe created the internet  ckelly@... | 03/05/09
Who created the Internet?  mjolnar@... | 03/05/09
EU insanity  ditkazbearz | 03/09/09
Blinkered protectionism ?  Merlin_Magii | 03/05/09
You are kidding, Right?  Ernie Ganas | 03/05/09
Re;America spent trillions of dollars and thousands of live protecting . .  hkommedal | 03/05/09
Read up on your history !  Merlin_Magii | 03/05/09
AMEN! - nt  USTechHead | 03/05/09
Zing! No freeride for you Opera!  Samic | 03/04/09
Your examples  tmsbrdrs | 03/05/09
RE: Microsoft hedges its Windows 7 bets with new IE 8 'removal' option  nelson.robert@... | 03/04/09
Let us be very clear about what IE is  wolf_z | 03/05/09
HTML rendering by MS  martin23 | 03/05/09
The only time MS memory mgmt has problems...  xuniL_z | 03/05/09
Why sling mud?  SimonUK2 | 03/05/09
I have nothing against other OSes.  xuniL_z | 03/05/09
Cool...  SimonUK | 03/05/09
SimonUK.  xuniL_z | 03/05/09
nothing against other OSes.  aussieblnd@... | 03/05/09
@aussieblnd  xuniL_z | 03/05/09
 xuniL_z | 03/05/09
What a diatribe  martin23 | 03/05/09
Why do you just repeat FUD, can't you read history and decide for yourself?  xuniL_z | 03/06/09
History  martin23 | 03/08/09
Yup, there are browsers using the IE components  LeoD | 03/05/09
Avant browser  The_Quietman | 03/05/09
Dude! What a dweeb! Removing the shell is worthless!  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 03/05/09
So what happens to 3rd party developers...  douglas_stein@... | 03/05/09
minimal services  tmsbrdrs | 03/05/09
Seems to me...  John L. Ries | 03/05/09
Another Whiner !  Budster1 | 03/05/09
Indeed they want a Free Ride  Marty R. Milette | 03/05/09
Well said  TylerM89 | 03/05/09
Partial strawman  John L. Ries | 03/05/09
Big problem  tmsbrdrs | 03/05/09
The internet should be available to all  GAXXIS | 03/09/09
Seems like cooler heads are prevailing at MS. If IE is the best, people  DonnieBoy | 03/04/09
Firefox is growing in users, IE is shrinking...  Christian_<>< | 03/04/09
So, what you're saying...  NStalnecker | 03/04/09
You really do live in a fantasy land.  TheWerewolf | 03/04/09
Thank You!  blinkdt | 03/04/09
THE business browser.?  SimonUK2 | 03/05/09
Certain Enterprise web apps  Spats30 | 03/05/09
In the corporate world...  Marty R. Milette | 03/05/09
hmm...  Badgered | 03/05/09
Is that why you have to run FF.....  xuniL_z | 03/05/09
Removing the underlying components would be very bad.  LeoD | 03/04/09
Well, other browsers makers would also like to be the default rendering  DonnieBoy | 03/04/09
Then why don't they provide components?  LeoD | 03/04/09
Gecko and Webkit are all available, but, developers write to what they can  DonnieBoy | 03/05/09
Like I said...  LeoD | 03/05/09
Cause that's just what we need  MissingMatter | 03/06/09
ActiveX is the number 1 aid for malware-writers.  hkommedal | 03/05/09
RE: Microsoft hedges its Windows 7 bets with new IE 8 'removal' option  ckelly@... | 03/04/09
The install link/choice presupposed internet connectivity  dysart | 03/05/09
Why should Microsoft provide options  plovelace@... | 03/05/09
why MSFT can't be compared to Apple or a car  drjehr | 03/05/09
so monopolies are evil?  NoThomas | 03/05/09
No....only evil monopolies (like Microsoft) are evil. (NT)  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 03/05/09
so monopolies are LEGAL?  ckelly@... | 03/05/09
Monopolies  NoThomas | 03/05/09
I said it before and it remains the same...  ckelly@... | 03/05/09
add a phone number perhaps?  ckelly@... | 03/05/09
Repositories  tmsbrdrs | 03/05/09
What about Apple?  BCF1968 | 03/04/09
First, Apple does not have a monopoly, so, antitrust laws do not apply to  DonnieBoy | 03/04/09
You say potatoe...  NoThomas | 03/05/09
Re;MS have to remove IE but its ok for Apple to bundle their browser?  hkommedal | 03/06/09
But thats not the point  NoThomas | 03/06/09
Sorry, but it IS the point. The EC is against bundling IE IN not WITH . .  hkommedal | 03/06/09
Found my answer  NoThomas | 03/07/09
They have a bit, but over iTunes/iTMS/Fairplay not Safari  LeoD | 03/04/09
Microsoft decoupled the browser from the shell with IE7!  jacec | 03/04/09
NO Removal  Nsaf | 03/04/09
It took me 2 years  mjolnar@... | 03/05/09
Accillese Heal !  rtirman37@... | 03/04/09
Internet Settings in the control panel  alokgovil | 03/04/09
Re  jimk_z | 03/04/09
Intertwined Exploiter SUX  Intellihence | 03/04/09
It's not Intertwined Exploiter  eMJayy | 03/04/09
Insightful.... thanks for............ (NT)  Badgered | 03/05/09
Really !  Alan Smithie | 03/05/09
What will programs use if it's removed?  LeoD | 03/05/09
These guys don't care about consequences  Tiggster | 03/05/09
RE: These guys don't care about consequences  n0neXn0ne | 03/05/09
What's your point?  Tiggster | 03/05/09
RE: What's my 'counter'point?  n0neXn0ne | 03/05/09
Quit trolling  NStalnecker | 03/05/09
it is grey with MSN 6.  sjbinaz | 03/05/09
Re;I see grey and am using MSN 6- what does that mean?  hkommedal | 03/05/09
If this looks green you are using IE,  GAXXIS | 03/09/09
Simple answer..you said it yourself...bake it in the app!  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 03/05/09
Simple answer..you said it yourself...bake it in the app!  PollyProteus | 03/05/09
You haven't been paying attention. happy  LeoD | 03/05/09
removed by poster (nt)  sjbinaz | 03/05/09
RE: Microsoft hedges its Windows 7 bets with new IE 8 'removal' option  chapmattman | 03/05/09
RE: Microsoft hedges its Windows 7 bets with new IE 8 'removal' option  soluto | 03/05/09
RE: Microsoft hedges its Windows 7 bets with new IE 8 'removal' option  jeffrejapa@... | 03/05/09
Download, Install (NT)  Badgered | 03/05/09
Why not have Mozilla follow the AOL route  dysart | 03/05/09
Yeah  NStalnecker | 03/05/09
....  n0neXn0ne | 03/05/09
Before and after  johnfenjackson@... | 03/05/09
Am I the only one with a problem  LiquidLearner | 03/05/09
RE: "Am I the only one with a problem  n0neXn0ne | 03/05/09
No..  Badgered | 03/05/09
Your not the only one..  NoThomas | 03/05/09
No competitor software bundle is needed.  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 03/05/09
Am I the only one with a problem  GAXXIS | 03/09/09
RE: Microsoft hedges its Windows 7 bets with new IE 8 'removal' option  Budster1 | 03/05/09
STANDARS are expected as documented  mavr1c | 03/05/09
RE: Microsoft ... IE 8 'removal' option  n0neXn0ne | 03/05/09
RE: Microsoft hedges its Windows 7 bets with new IE 8 'removal' option  mwagner@... | 03/05/09
RE: Microsoft hedges its Windows 7 bets with new IE 8 'removal' option  Budster1 | 03/05/09
RE: Microsoft hedges its Windows 7 bets with new IE 8 'removal' option  mshepherd | 03/05/09
RE: Microsoft hedges its Windows 7 bets with new IE 8 'removal' option  ukstar@... | 03/05/09
Master Joe Says...  MasterJoe | 03/05/09
Amazing Master Joe ...  n0neXn0ne | 03/05/09
The EU should shove it  tech_walker | 03/05/09
Re; Are there any McDonald's in Norway? Yes, there are. (nt)  hkommedal | 03/05/09
Why doesn't the EU remove Firefox from Linux????  Narg | 03/05/09
Because of THIS simple reason: They can ALL be removed.  hkommedal | 03/05/09
windows update?  erikswanson | 03/05/09
That is because MS did not want you to do so. (nt)  hkommedal | 03/05/09
A fair question MS might ask...  Cayble | 03/05/09
RE: Microsoft hedges its Windows 7 bets with new IE 8 'removal' option  coondapoor | 03/05/09
RE: ...IE 8 'removal' ...  n0neXn0ne | 03/05/09
RE; WHERE DOES IT END? calculator, notepad, wordpad, what else?  hkommedal | 03/06/09
How do you install an alternate browser without IE?  Roubos | 03/05/09
RE: How do you install an alternate browser without IE?  n0neXn0ne | 03/05/09
Perhaps that's why Opera want theirs distributed!!  PoxyPig | 03/05/09
how to install....  gergarfe@... | 03/05/09
mnn... what might this mean for application compatibility?  grantford99 | 03/05/09
RE: Microsoft hedges its Windows 7 bets with new IE 8 'removal' option  Merlin_Magii | 03/05/09
Without IE. . .  donden@... | 03/05/09
Not necessary  sgtm8@... | 03/05/09
MS should bundle my programs  isemmel@... | 03/05/09
Go for it beotch! (NT)  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 03/05/09
Windows distributions MIGHT get rather large?  Too Old For IT | 03/05/09
It's a start  John L. Ries | 03/05/09
Opera Stop whining!!!! (this goes for Google and any one else)  vivisep@... | 03/05/09
Better analogy  Too Old For IT | 03/05/09
RE: Microsoft hedges its Windows 7 bets with new IE 8 'removal' option  ePM360 | 03/05/09
RE:Microsoft hedges its Windows 7 bets w... * EU GET a life or Your Own OS!  sandstorm@... | 03/05/09
It sounds like you are out on a "Jihad-mission" of some sort.  hkommedal | 03/05/09
Maybe this will shut them up  Speednet | 03/05/09
good point  jk_10 | 03/05/09
Re; remember UK is not part of it. why? WRONG !  hkommedal | 03/05/09
it does change anything  jk_10 | 03/06/09
Re; ok, i didn't know. should i care? May be. I'm not sure.  hkommedal | 03/06/09
what to you expect from the Euro's  tech_walker | 03/05/09
Enough with the EU vs US nonsense  LeoD | 03/05/09
it is not about europian, it is about EU  jk_10 | 03/06/09
We were both talking about the region, not the organisation (NT)  LeoD | 03/06/09
RE: Microsoft hedges its Windows 7 bets with new IE 8 'removal' option  cosmicfoole@... | 03/05/09
"Always use our..."  John L. Ries | 03/05/09
The EU need to be dissolved, seriously.  PinkFloydYoshi | 03/05/09
Maybe  John L. Ries | 03/05/09
MS Should have long ago  Too Old For IT | 03/05/09
Somehow I don't think MS will pull out of its best market. (nt)  hkommedal | 03/05/09
They could have done that  John L. Ries | 03/05/09
RE: Microsoft hedges its Windows 7 bets with new IE 8 'removal' option  imgen | 03/05/09
RE: Microsoft hedges its Windows 7 bets with new IE 8 'removal' option  dracomaster | 03/06/09
google gooo to hell  jk_10 | 03/06/09
Re; then Microsoft can sue them for not allowing IE on their OS  hkommedal | 03/06/09
RE: Microsoft hedges its Windows 7 bets with new IE 8 'removal' option  jfreedle2@... | 03/08/09

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