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It certainly would be nice if they were as
easily moved by the idea that many hold about the gutting of the start menu, and the forced install procedures.

Instead of treating people as though they are becoming more sophisticated and knowledgeable, Microsoft is treating the users as though they all are getting lobotomized before using Windows 7.

Of course, users complaining about the evils of not having total lockdown with UAC feed right into this.

It makes me wonder if some aren't being lobotomized before the use of 7.
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It certainly would be nice if they were as  chrome_slinky@... | 02/05/09
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Start menu reflects how users work...  douglas_stein@... | 02/06/09
Only the best drivers?  fr0thy2 | 02/07/09
How are new users to know what to type?  de-void | 02/06/09
It's not hard for Windows to get infected.  joe.smetona@... | 02/09/09
Really?  daMan25 | 02/09/09
It's not hard  AzuMao | 02/11/09
Controlling User Access Rights  Thomasca | 03/06/09
You do know  AzuMao | 03/14/09
Your argument is de-void of logic.  AzuMao | 02/11/09
mixed opinions  jimk_z | 02/06/09
Excellent, now the whiners will have to go back to their old ways  NonZealot | 02/05/09
*Look at topic*  Sleeper Service | 02/06/09
Agreed!  Pembo | 02/06/09
No doubt, Mac's security suite will be called iCondom happy [NT]  de-void | 02/06/09
are you kidding?  magallanes | 02/06/09
Shut up.  Sleeper Service | 02/06/09
Stifle debate  Graham Ellison | 02/07/09
Debate is good...  Sleeper Service | 02/08/09
Sounds like now your the one with the problem...  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 02/09/09
I'm not sure you understand the difference...  TheWerewolf | 02/11/09
10,000,000 Conflicker worms can't be wrong!  Christian_<>< | 02/05/09
ZDNET request feature  silent.griffin | 02/05/09
You can!  ShadeTree | 02/06/09
ROFL!  tfleenor80 | 02/06/09
It's "Conficker".  ye | 02/05/09
Complaining with someone for misspelling a lowly windoze virus  InAction Man | 02/06/09
Thanks!  Sleeper Service | 02/06/09
Wrong! Those who use Linux believe that learning pays off  InAction Man | 02/06/09
Those who forget history  Bryan Price | 02/06/09
I don't understand every line of code but I installed Linux From Scratch  InAction Man | 02/06/09
Re: history  Christian_<>< | 02/06/09
Some aren't forgetting history. Many never learned it to begin with.  ye | 02/06/09
@ it_wk: You can lead a horse to water...  Wolfie2K3 | 02/06/09
Right  AzuMao | 02/11/09
Well I guess...  Sleeper Service | 02/06/09
Small/Large market share multiplied by zero chance of succeeding  InAction Man | 02/06/09
But wait!  Sleeper Service | 02/06/09
On the contrary, Linux is not complicated at all  InAction Man | 02/06/09
I commend you on your in depth...  Sleeper Service | 02/06/09
That says a lot about you!  InAction Man | 02/06/09
He said he would.....  xuniL_z | 02/06/09
What data? I presented anedoctal evidence  InAction Man | 02/06/09
No market share ?  vmaatta | 02/06/09
As it is Linux is already an outrageous success.  InAction Man | 02/06/09
@InAction Man: Linux a success?  de-void | 02/06/09
Other way around there..  AzuMao | 02/11/09
I let it go the first few times thinking he made a spelling error.  ye | 02/06/09
I run Windows  LiquidLearner | 02/06/09
Linux do not protect you from Social Engineered attacks  InAction Man | 02/06/09
You do know that NT  CrashPad | 02/06/09
RE: You do know that NT ... is !New Technology?  n0neXn0ne | 02/06/09
I do know it was developed from ground up with security in mind  InAction Man | 02/06/09
Yeah right (NT)  vmaatta | 02/06/09
11,000,000 viruses can't be wrong!  joe.smetona@... | 02/09/09
You miss my point entirely  LiquidLearner | 02/06/09
In theory, very impressive, but I don't think it's really necessary.  joe.smetona@... | 02/09/09
InAction Man:  justanitguy | 02/06/09
Many Windows users cannot leave Automatic Updates enabled  InAction Man | 02/06/09
Actually, Windows users cannot leave Automatic Updates enabled  Valued_Customer | 02/06/09
re: Actually  Badgered | 02/06/09
Garbage  de-void | 02/06/09
Windows users can't leave automatic updates on - more  rich3page | 02/06/09
@rich3page  Badgered | 02/06/09
Or...  Dave32265 | 02/06/09
@Dave32265  Earthling2 | 02/06/09
@Earthling2  Dave32265 | 02/07/09
@Dave32265  Earthling2 | 02/07/09
And here lies the real story.  CrashPad | 02/06/09
So it is the user's fault!  Sleeper Service | 02/06/09
re: Many....  Badgered | 02/06/09
I (forcefully) paid for several windoze licenses and use none  InAction Man | 02/06/09
InactionMan: Why didn't you buy a Mac?  NonZealot | 02/06/09
A Mac? I would have to pay even more to use Linux  InAction Man | 02/06/09
But does a Mac come with Windows?  NonZealot | 02/06/09
You know very well  InAction Man | 02/06/09
@InAction Man: Exactly. Which is why we're puzzled when you say...  ye | 02/06/09
I do the choosing, not you.  InAction Man | 02/06/09
@InAction Man: So you CHOSE to buy a system with Windows.  ye | 02/06/09
@inaction man: Windows & OSX free laptop?  de-void | 02/06/09
@nonzealot  InAction Man | 02/06/09
@InAction Man: I feel very sorry for you  de-void | 02/06/09
"spend YEARS learning arcane command shells" - You're a slow learner  InAction Man | 02/06/09
@InAction Man You realize the word....  xuniL_z | 02/06/09
I do a lot more than that, trust me.  InAction Man | 02/06/09
@InAction Man  MGP2 | 02/06/09
MGP2: there is a simple answer to that  NonZealot | 02/06/09
Now, that's more like it  InAction Man | 02/06/09
Didn't you know, InAction man...  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 02/09/09
Dufus, you can set windows to notify without  sjbinaz | 02/07/09
out of topic issue by the way it was fixed in October  tech_walker | 02/06/09
Patent your words man, fast!  InAction Man | 02/06/09
Its called  answrtek | 02/07/09
C'mon  NStalnecker | 02/06/09
Still bragging about your criminal programming, I see...  Wolfie2K3 | 02/06/09
Conflicker worms  GAXXIS | 02/08/09
The winning strategy.  kozmcrae | 02/05/09
Get rid of the DRM???? HECK NO!  de-void | 02/05/09
Not to mention Bluray  LiquidLearner | 02/06/09
Who's Blue Ray?  kozmcrae | 02/06/09
DRM isn't spying  de-void | 02/06/09
I'm calling you a liar!  kozmcrae | 02/06/09
A liar eh?  LiquidLearner | 02/07/09
I run Windows defender cause it came with vista, but no AV software and no  xuniL_z | 02/07/09
DRM?  kozmcrae | 02/07/09
Hey xuniL_z!  kozmcrae | 02/07/09
I'm calling you an idiot  honeymonster | 02/09/09
Please do some research before you spout off nonsense  blwjustice | 02/06/09
It won't out of the box...  LiquidLearner | 02/07/09
"purchased additional software "  kozmcrae | 02/07/09
don't you get it?  magallanes | 02/06/09
DRM is NOT in every driver  de-void | 02/06/09
Not *MY* government  KeithDick | 02/07/09
Ermmm ... you must be living on the moon then.  de-void | 02/07/09
Down to earth  Ole Man | 02/07/09
@Ole Man  LiquidLearner | 02/07/09
@liquid learner, I'm afraid that when someone is immune  xuniL_z | 02/07/09
Talk about moons... grin  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 02/09/09
Sorry you're wrong  Samic | 02/06/09
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Don't frieghten the children, kozmcrae !  Ole Man | 02/07/09
You're agreeing with Kozmcrae  LiquidLearner | 02/07/09
Actually LL.  kozmcrae | 02/07/09
Yep, I like that, Koz  Ole Man | 02/08/09
DRM has to go  vmaatta | 02/06/09
RE: Windows 7 chiefs: We messed up  mightofnight@... | 02/05/09
psst  honeymonster | 02/05/09
You clearly don't understand how UAC works then!  de-void | 02/05/09
The real beauty of UAC...  dpnewkirk | 02/06/09
Nonsense! If this is the way you configure your Windows environment, then .  de-void | 02/06/09
Congrats on your tech savvy...  dpnewkirk | 02/06/09
Actually....  LiquidLearner | 02/07/09
Your kids shouldn't need to ask you to enter the admin password.  kozmcrae | 02/06/09
I completely agree - and they don't  de-void | 02/07/09
Ever tried script host or powershell?  Custard_over_2x_Pie | 02/06/09
Powershell is like good sex  de-void | 02/06/09
RE: Powershell ... good for nothing...  n0neXn0ne | 02/07/09
Your choice of shell depends on your platform  de-void | 02/07/09
I see ....  n0neXn0ne | 02/07/09
PowerShell by example  honeymonster | 02/09/09
RE: Windows 7 chiefs: We messed up  mightofnight@... | 02/05/09
RunAs is of less value in Vista  de-void | 02/05/09
Yes, for pros UAC is much better than sudo in ubuntu!  Xentrax | 02/05/09
Not exactly  honeymonster | 02/05/09
A growing number of Linux distros forbid root logins  InAction Man | 02/06/09
I just "su" to root.  ye | 02/06/09
Some distros simply don't allow "su root"  InAction Man | 02/06/09
Name them.  ye | 02/06/09
I just did. Read my post please.  InAction Man | 02/06/09
Except that it does:  ye | 02/06/09
You should try that on the latest version "2008.2"  InAction Man | 02/06/09
@InAction Man: No thanks. I've already proved you wrong on this.  ye | 02/06/09
OK, if believing in that makes you happy then, even if wrong, be happy!  InAction Man | 02/06/09
@InAction Man: It's not a belief...it's reality.  ye | 02/06/09
Delusion is indeed a powerful therapy  InAction Man | 02/06/09
@InAction Man: Thanks for the first hand recommendation. Should...  ye | 02/06/09
I prefer a different kind of therapy  InAction Man | 02/06/09
@InAction Man: So why are you still using delusional therapy?  ye | 02/06/09
Well, this is not funny any more, I have to go now  InAction Man | 02/06/09
"Distros dont allow" too strong a phrase  enduser_z | 02/06/09
Let's hope he already knew this elementary information!  ye | 02/06/09
I'm starting to pity you  InAction Man | 02/06/09
Ask me if I care.  ye | 02/06/09
Sudo -i  pj_mouse | 02/06/09
Awesome ... you have to recompile the kernel to install a freakin' modem???  de-void | 02/06/09
Yes, but in Ubuntu there is no instalation, it comes pre-configured  InAction Man | 02/06/09
Why would YOUR parents be using a Turkish distribution?  Ole Man | 02/07/09
Help he's compiling!  kozmcrae | 02/07/09
Good job!  ddmattison | 02/06/09
RE: Windows 7 chiefs: We messed up  gdude@... | 02/06/09
Dear god, I hope not!  de-void | 02/06/09
SEVEN is still Vaporware  duclod | 02/06/09
Have you tried it? If not then I would to put your fears to rest (IMO)...  DevJonny | 02/06/09
I tried it. I don't like it.  mike21b@... | 02/06/09
Try it?  duclod | 02/06/09
I haven't tried it yet.  kozmcrae | 02/06/09
Win 7  GAXXIS | 02/08/09
Stuff it  croberts | 02/06/09
been playing with it for a while  merc2dogs` | 02/06/09
Not even wrong  wolf_z | 02/06/09
Problem with Windows updates  Christian_<>< | 02/06/09
LOL!  Sleeper Service | 02/06/09
On that note  vmaatta | 02/06/09
I did and...  Sleeper Service | 02/06/09
Sure they are..  vmaatta | 02/07/09
And Yankee group's...  Dave32265 | 02/07/09
I've seen very few Windows Servers compromised  LiquidLearner | 02/06/09
RE: I've seen ... ... Windows ... compromised  n0neXn0ne | 02/06/09
Probably all three  vmaatta | 02/06/09
Good one!  Ole Man | 02/07/09
What happened at Heartland? nt.  joe.smetona@... | 02/06/09
Once again  rtk | 02/06/09
lol it looks like it was  Linux uSer | 02/06/09
How did you arrive at this conclusion from that information?  ye | 02/06/09
Methodologies and Products Used by Brian Rubarts' Team to Power Heartland's  Ole Man | 02/07/09
Link:  Ole Man | 02/07/09
Wow  rtk | 02/07/09
You expect some one else to do ALL your homework?  Ole Man | 02/08/09
Your turn to dig something up rtk  AzuMao | 02/14/09
Oh, I'll pass my turn  rtk | 02/14/09
There he goes describing himself again  AzuMao | 02/14/09
Thanks for the information.  joe.smetona@... | 02/09/09
re: thanks for the information  rtk | 02/09/09
"dig any deeper and identify what the actual payment processing systems"  Ole Man | 02/09/09
You haven't dug at all  rtk | 02/09/09
Funny thing is.......  Ole Man | 02/09/09
The NT line, on which Windows 2000, XP, Vista, and Windows 7 are built, was  ye | 02/06/09
Let me break this down for you:  de-void | 02/06/09
RE: Windows 7 chiefs: We messed up  ramnet@... | 02/06/09
With all due respect ...  de-void | 02/06/09
RE: Windows 7 chiefs: We messed up  rcbarr83@... | 02/06/09
Yes, Kudos  Dave32265 | 02/06/09
This is not your fathers Microsoft  tech_walker | 02/06/09
ROFL! happy AT LAST! happy  de-void | 02/06/09
All I can say is wow  croberts | 02/06/09
Microsoft is working on doing it right  lundp@... | 02/06/09
I was happy not being nagged  clarnT | 02/06/09
Nooooooooooooo ... hang on ... nothing has changed for you! happy  de-void | 02/06/09
Windows Vista - Tutorial on Disabling UAC  PCWizKid | 02/06/09
Are you insane  croberts | 02/06/09
Link(s) to details on this bug, please, and...  dpnewkirk | 02/06/09
I sincerely hope someone sues you!  de-void | 02/06/09
Why, because he's trying to help people get their machines to behave  InAction Man | 02/06/09
NO! He's showing people how to get hacked  de-void | 02/07/09
"UAC is there to protect you from a wide range of malicious attack"  Dave32265 | 02/07/09
Security through obscurity.  kozmcrae | 02/07/09
Thanks a lot kid, I'm giving the url to all my friends still on windoze  InAction Man | 02/06/09
Social Engineering- best defense.  joe.smetona@... | 02/06/09
IE7 has anti-phishing and malicious site detection built-in.  de-void | 02/06/09
They are probably the best tools available.  joe.smetona@... | 02/07/09
"...making things up about Windows..."  3dtodd | 02/06/09
No need to make things up about Windows  Ole Man | 02/07/09
Congrats, MS  zetacon4@... | 02/06/09
Google: Windows Update Fails  Valued_Customer | 02/06/09
similair Google research shows  Snarfiorix | 02/07/09
You don't have any idea...  Dave32265 | 02/07/09
You don't have any idea either  Snarfiorix | 02/08/09
My point was...  Dave32265 | 02/08/09
He was looking back to see  Ole Man | 02/08/09
And another one mised the point  Snarfiorix | 02/08/09
Into the ether  stillgolfing | 02/06/09
Not you again.  sjbinaz | 02/07/09
@InAction Man  Earthling2 | 02/06/09
If a victim were not insane before  Ole Man | 02/08/09
RE: Windows 7 chiefs: We messed up  Graham Ellison | 02/07/09
Give some credit to MS  tony@... | 02/07/09
Bill'll Fix It  whisperycat | 02/09/09

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