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Damned if you do...Damned if you don't (nt)
Wow. Vista is too secure and in-your-face. So Microsoft changes UAC in response to the mountain of user feedback so you can tweak it in Windows 7 and now it's not secure enough.
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Damned if you do...Damned if you don't (nt)  safesax2002 | 02/04/09
**AGREE** (nt)  CobraA1 | 02/04/09
I agree  jsaddison@... | 02/04/09
Wrong. DO UAC is the only option. Annoying Insecure nt  T1Oracle | 02/04/09
too many prompts kills the intent  eddyfaris | 02/05/09
control over UAC is bonus...  stone-cutter | 02/05/09
Agreed. Therefore err on the side of security. (nt)  ye | 02/04/09
They did that with Vista...most users hated it (NT)  Yax_to_the_Max | 02/04/09
UAC is the best part of Vista. MS should not give up on this. nt  T1Oracle | 02/04/09
That's a pretty good arguement for Linux  bernalillo | 02/05/09
...or a good argument against Linux..  TasteeWheat | 02/05/09
User or administrators?  jonbg@... | 02/05/09
UAC? Ha! Let It Die.  TechInsider | 02/09/09
Penny wise and pound foolish.  bernalillo | 02/05/09
My Thoughts Exactly!  Bob_BLC | 02/04/09
There's a better way  tmsbrdrs | 02/04/09
And?  custserv@... | 02/04/09
If you don't care  tmsbrdrs | 02/04/09
Message has been deleted.  tmsbrdrs | 02/04/09
You're comparing apples and oranges  Yax_to_the_Max | 02/04/09
people who use Linux  tmsbrdrs | 02/04/09
re: the answer to that one  Christian_<>< | 02/04/09
There's your answer  tmsbrdrs | 02/04/09
In the 2 months you've used Linux  tikigawd | 02/04/09
In the 2 months I've used Linux  tmsbrdrs | 02/04/09
I have this answer...  gsale51@... | 02/04/09
It is apples and oranges  wency | 02/04/09
Re: apples and oranges.. Wrong--  Christian_<>< | 02/04/09
Yup, apples and oranges.  rtk | 02/04/09
Old argument  tmsbrdrs | 02/04/09
Old but true.  rtk | 02/04/09
All this from someone who's only been using Linux for 2 months....  MGP2 | 02/05/09
This has been going on since 97  ceward_z | 02/05/09
re  jimk_z | 02/04/09
You're talking complete rubbish....  GOTBO | 02/05/09
The rubish part is right  CrashPad | 02/05/09
Market leaders  SpikeyMike | 02/05/09
Confusing server and desktop markets  rtk | 02/05/09
@RTK  SpikeyMike | 02/05/09
So  rtk | 02/05/09
@rtk - Just for you.  SpikeyMike | 02/05/09
@spikeymike  rtk | 02/05/09
I did  GAXXIS | 02/06/09
re  jimk_z | 02/04/09
MS damned themselves  MyMac | 02/04/09
Poor Copy-Cats  SpikeyMike | 02/04/09
That's the most ridiculous comment I've seen in a while...  TheOriginalHepcat | 02/04/09
You don't understand much...  SpikeyMike | 02/04/09
Typical snide nix snob  eggmanbubbagee@... | 02/04/09
Most complaints about UAC ...  mwagner@... | 02/04/09
too tough for you too?  SpikeyMike | 02/04/09
I'm the average computer user  tmsbrdrs | 02/04/09
You're still living in your mother's basement...  TheOriginalHepcat | 02/04/09
I get it just fine...  SpikeyMike | 02/04/09
Linux distro's are superior  Christian_<>< | 02/04/09
Not sure you've read the PCI requirements  rtk | 02/04/09
You Are Right  windozefreak | 02/04/09
Name one 'creative' Microsoft employee!  comp_indiana | 02/04/09
Because you don't know a single person!  windozefreak | 02/04/09
Ray Ozzie  CrashPad | 02/05/09
And how many consumers ...  mwagner@... | 02/04/09
The power users? None. The clueless? All  SpikeyMike | 02/04/09
The average consumer is a "click-through" ...  mwagner@... | 02/04/09
Have tried both...  SpikeyMike | 02/04/09
It's not the apps in Windows which are repeatedly infected...  Mikael_z | 02/04/09
Explain Administering The System  windozefreak | 02/04/09
My definition of Administering a computer:  SpikeyMike | 02/05/09
How many consumers  tmsbrdrs | 02/04/09
MacOSX is far more than just UNIX.  mwagner@... | 02/04/09
Repeating myths doesn't make them more true  Mikael_z | 02/04/09
Most consumers, though, have insufficient skills to install or administer U  tmsbrdrs | 02/04/09
X11 is also included as an option when installing OS X. [nt]  olePigeon | 02/04/09
macosx  stevehabs | 02/05/09
If you like Linux but want to try UNIX on x86...  914four | 02/04/09
Still new  tmsbrdrs | 02/04/09
Most people...  gypkap@... | 03/05/09
Easy to use Unix  chromeronin | 02/04/09
In any practical sense, MacOSX is ...  mwagner@... | 02/04/09
HP is doing a pretty decent job with Linux. [nt]  olePigeon | 02/04/09
Actually...  914four | 02/04/09
Ask Dell  ibeapunker | 02/04/09
Yep. UNIX / Linux is not ...  mwagner@... | 02/04/09
I call FUD!  SpikeyMike | 02/04/09
Read my other posts  tmsbrdrs | 02/04/09
Wrong, wrong, wrong!  Ole Man | 02/04/09
And the truth comes out  CrashPad | 02/05/09
Nonsense  pkrdk | 02/05/09
Apathy rules  comp_indiana | 02/04/09
Now the subject has changed completely  windozefreak | 02/04/09
Poor copy cats  rcbarr83@... | 02/04/09
Message has been deleted.  transposeIT | 02/04/09
Message has been deleted.  SpikeyMike | 02/05/09
Why didnt I say that?  sbass@... | 02/04/09
Tolerance is waning.  SpikeyMike | 02/04/09
No they haven't.  Sleeper Service | 02/04/09
And you know this because...?  914four | 02/04/09
A market share of less than 2% isn't enough for you?  Sleeper Service | 02/04/09
Tell me  tmsbrdrs | 02/04/09
Corporate Unix Desktops  chromeronin | 02/04/09
Well, market share doesn't mean much...  914four | 02/04/09
90% functionality...  Sleeper Service | 02/05/09
I once heard a story...  914four | 02/05/09
You Haven't offered Any Proof  windozefreak | 02/04/09
He made a categorical statement:  914four | 02/05/09
SUSE linux Enterprise Desktop?  SpikeyMike | 02/04/09
And the install base is what?  TheOriginalHepcat | 02/04/09
If by productivity apps...  SpikeyMike | 02/04/09
Yeah, Spikey...  Sleeper Service | 02/04/09
@Sleepy  SpikeyMike | 02/04/09
Just to be a smart ass  Kaiwai | 02/04/09
Linux isn't ready for mainstream implementation in a corporate desktop envi  tmsbrdrs | 02/04/09
Linux-corporate mainstream, yep  rcbarr83@... | 02/04/09
POIDH  TheOriginalHepcat | 02/04/09
Pics, or it didn't happen?  SpikeyMike | 02/04/09
How's this.....factual information.  xuniL_z | 02/04/09
"Factual information"? Really?  914four | 02/04/09
As usual, you have everything backwards...  SpikeyMike | 02/05/09
And we are tired of you coming to a windows  windozefreak | 02/04/09
Clue for you...  SpikeyMike | 02/05/09
Microsoft doesn't believe in standards...  914four | 02/05/09
So, share some details of these "observations"  MGP2 | 02/04/09
Some links  SpikeyMike | 02/05/09
To calrify a few points...  MGP2 | 02/05/09
Bullocks  CrashPad | 02/05/09
If you're a criminal... sure!  SpikeyMike | 02/05/09
Yes, and Harley Davison is the brand...  914four | 02/05/09
polling people  rcbarr83@... | 02/04/09
Here's the problem  rtk | 02/04/09
Really?  SpikeyMike | 02/05/09
really  rtk | 02/05/09
Glad to meet you..  sjbinaz | 02/05/09
fundamental shift in strategy needed  gdstark13 | 02/04/09
We tried that.  Worth2Cents | 02/04/09
RE: We tried that.  gdstark13 | 02/04/09
ROM-based hardware  tmsbrdrs | 02/04/09
RE: ROM-based hardware  gdstark13 | 02/04/09
Try again  tmsbrdrs | 02/04/09
RE: Try again  gdstark13 | 02/04/09
Still not getting it  tmsbrdrs | 02/04/09
RE: Still not getting it  gdstark13 | 02/04/09
And yet you persist  tmsbrdrs | 02/04/09
RE: And yet you persist  gdstark13 | 02/04/09
Hacking  tmsbrdrs | 02/04/09
RE: Hacking  gdstark13 | 02/04/09
I've given valid reasons  tmsbrdrs | 02/04/09
RE: I've given valid reasons  gdstark13 | 02/04/09
just stop  tmsbrdrs | 02/04/09
RE: just stop  gdstark13 | 02/05/09
You are right. That is not new.  sjbinaz | 02/04/09
RE: You are right. That is not new.  gdstark13 | 02/05/09
See this is the problem  windozefreak | 02/04/09
RE: See this is the problem  gdstark13 | 02/05/09
Microsoft can't win  jscott418 | 02/04/09
Now I have heard everything!  comp_indiana | 02/04/09
Read the other posts  tmsbrdrs | 02/04/09
Damned if you don't do it right!  rarsa | 02/04/09
Gesh, am I the only one who got this?  914four | 02/04/09
what about Vista?  Randalllind | 02/04/09
Sorry, I can't comment on Vista  914four | 02/04/09
That is not true. There are good implementations  SamCPP | 02/04/09
What?????  rcbarr83@... | 02/04/09
Damned if you do...Damned if you don't  windozefreak | 02/04/09
I also agree  jimk_z | 02/04/09
Looking at it the wrong way  Chad_z | 02/05/09
RE: Microsoft  FearTheDonut | 02/04/09
RE" WHY is that a problem?  cromwellryan@... | 02/04/09
Re: Vista UAC problem wasn't frequency  Edesw88 | 02/04/09
There is no irony, it's a flaw in logic.  914four | 02/04/09
Frequency of UAC  tmsbrdrs | 02/04/09
enough of the 27 prompts  rtk | 02/04/09
differences  tmsbrdrs | 02/04/09
Incorrect  rtk | 02/04/09
re: Why  Badgered | 02/04/09
So let them prompt for EVERY copy and change  hardrivn@... | 02/04/09
re: So let them  Badgered | 02/04/09
Really how is Linux and Mac different?  BroGnorik | 02/04/09
No difference between root and admin  comp_indiana | 02/04/09
This is really a non-issue...  unsivil_audio | 02/04/09
Anti-virus is irrelevant.  Within Rafael | 02/04/09
All antiviruses have a poor detection rate!  qmlscycrajg | 02/04/09
Oh right...  Sleeper Service | 02/04/09
You should read that article Sleepy...  914four | 02/04/09
Why? Firefox already performs the best.  Sleeper Service | 02/04/09
Reply to Sleeper Service  914four | 02/04/09
That is bad  Christian_<>< | 02/04/09
slight problem there  tmsbrdrs | 02/04/09
No rights to install software  SpikeyMike | 02/05/09
The UAC prompt only appears when...  ye | 02/04/09
Someone who gets it.  Within Rafael | 02/04/09
Think of it this way...  Within Rafael | 02/04/09
RE: Damned if you do... Damned if you don't (nt)  cromwellryan@... | 02/04/09
Mind boggling stupidity when it comes to 'default' settings  Custard_over_2x_Pie | 02/04/09
FALSE  qmlscycrajg | 02/04/09
So these problems didn't exist before Vista?  Custard_over_2x_Pie | 02/04/09
Corrections  threedaysdwn | 02/04/09
slight correction  Scott Kitts | 02/04/09
Hmm, which version of Win7 are you using?  Custard_over_2x_Pie | 02/04/09
Darn straight  wolf_z | 02/04/09
Agree  ridingthewind | 02/04/09
Fix it the right way  tmsbrdrs | 02/04/09
Plain old sensationalism and FUD reporting...  Heatlesssun | 02/04/09
Think of home users.  Within Rafael | 02/04/09
During setup/install Windows 7 should help create a statndard user account  Heatlesssun | 02/04/09
Administrator and Standard User accounts in Windows 7  Gruffydd | 02/04/09
the problem with this  tmsbrdrs | 02/04/09
Message has been deleted.  qmlscycrajg | 02/04/09
And this has what to do with windows?!  Stuka | 02/04/09
sudo access  Christian_<>< | 02/04/09
ZDNet, F**k THE PORNOGRAPHIC ADVERTISEMENT!!!  Grayson Peddie | 02/04/09
While thats not computer related...  Stuka | 02/04/09
Depends on what era you live in  LegendsOfBatman | 02/04/09
Did someone say "sexy leg"?  MGP2 | 02/04/09
Weight loss ads are pornographic?  B.O.F.H. | 02/04/09
Maybe It's A Hint For You Fat IT People  itanalyst2@... | 02/04/09
Once you hit 50...  djchandler | 02/04/09
Ads?  Linux User 147560 | 02/05/09
What Ads, OH I use IE8 and even MSN but  sjbinaz | 02/05/09
Best UAC settings  croberts | 02/04/09
Why did you edit the registry?  ye | 02/04/09
More options than control panel  croberts | 02/04/09
Can not have cake and eat it too?  lundp@... | 02/04/09
Four suggestions I can think of to reduce UAC prompts:  ye | 02/04/09
Now wait a minute. this is an intercepter flaw; by bianary design.  rtirman37@... | 02/04/09
You can't bring up XP in a discussion on the UAC  pebear | 02/04/09
the only good about UAC  magallanes | 02/04/09
Untrue  croberts | 02/04/09
RE: Microsoft  john@... | 02/04/09
No, it's not less secure, unless you want it to be  archer75 | 02/04/09
UAC itself is not less secure. It's the default configuration that is.  ye | 02/04/09
Windows 7 Security  Cal Woosnam | 02/04/09
Agree.  Gruffydd | 02/04/09
Does NOT require malicious code already on the box.  LeoD | 02/04/09
Little problem with that  Lerianis | 02/04/09
win 7 less secure user setting?  varick | 02/04/09
Can we change the name of this site for ZDNet to  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/04/09
No criticism allowed?  LeoD | 02/04/09
bashing vs. constructively criticizing  Mary Jo Foley ZDNet Moderator | 02/04/09
Constructive Criticism  sparkfarmer | 02/04/09
But Even If You Assumptions Were Right  windozefreak | 02/04/09
This is quite upsetting  NonZealot | 02/04/09
OK - so now it's the Microsoft haters' fault?  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 02/04/09
But it's faster!!  sbass@... | 02/04/09
So is DOS  comp_indiana | 02/04/09
RE: But it's faster!!  GAXXIS | 02/07/09
Security is more important than glossy icons  Christian_<>< | 02/04/09
This particular bug...  914four | 02/04/09
We want Midori!!  sbass@... | 02/04/09
Midori  Mary Jo Foley ZDNet Moderator | 02/04/09
I'll I have to say is:  avluis | 02/04/09
I was getting really worried for a moment ...  xenophanes | 02/04/09
RE: Microsoft  lennycald@... | 02/04/09
ROTFLMAO!!!!  i8thecat | 02/04/09
How about Both?  Cosmic1 | 02/04/09
Users are getting what they asked for  tech_walker | 02/04/09
RE: Microsoft  DavidPope | 02/04/09
IT IS SO SIMPLE!  eggmanbubbagee@... | 02/04/09
Hide the jewelry!  mwagner@... | 02/04/09
close  rtk | 02/04/09
Windows 7 is Still "Beta"  cnfrisch | 02/04/09
RE: Microsoft  GTX11 | 02/04/09
Re: before or after Conflicker?  Christian_<>< | 02/04/09
RE: Microsoft  DonBurnett | 02/04/09
No such thing as a secure Microsoft Product  bmobile40 | 02/04/09
NO such thing as a secure Unix, Linux or Mac product either...  transposeIT | 02/04/09
No such thing as a secure Microsoft Product  GAXXIS | 02/07/09
Here's a thought...  Henrik Moller | 02/04/09
RE: Microsoft  ator1940 | 02/04/09
And, That's the way it outobe  windozefreak | 02/04/09
The AntiVista  comp_indiana | 02/04/09
great post  rtk | 02/04/09
And yet it is 2009  comp_indiana | 02/04/09
Yup, it's 2009  rtk | 02/04/09
RE: Microsoft  Randalllind | 02/04/09
UAC is useless against Conflicker FACT  Christian_<>< | 02/04/09
Conficker is a non-starter with a default Vista install.  ye | 02/04/09
Please don't use facts...  MGP2 | 02/04/09
conficker  GAXXIS | 02/07/09
We need a UN takeover of Microsoft  BALTHOR | 02/04/09
DONE, now when you get ready to connect...  Christian_<>< | 02/04/09
$399 USD retail...  Dave32265 | 02/05/09
Agree!  Gnack | 02/04/09
RE: Microsoft  sirwulfe2003 | 02/04/09
"By Design" doesn't mean it's not a bug  odenni | 02/04/09
Windows 7 less secure?  cboquin | 02/04/09
It's pretty simple  whisperycat | 02/04/09
Strange  rtk | 02/04/09
No strings on me wink  whisperycat | 02/05/09
OpenSuSE 11.0  Linux User 147560 | 02/05/09
WASTE OF MONEY  Christian_<>< | 02/04/09
Well  windozefreak | 02/04/09
Classic freetard thinking...Free crap is better. Yeah, right...  transposeIT | 02/04/09
RE: Microsoft  Peter66 | 02/04/09
Win7 UAC = Vista UAC + Options  mikefarinha | 02/04/09
How quaint  schmandel@... | 02/04/09
re: how quaint  rtk | 02/04/09
RE: UAC security in Windows 7  norm.smith@... | 02/04/09
Oh for the love of God.  jimk_z | 02/04/09
Most are responding to the exploit of Win7's relaxed UAC  Custard_over_2x_Pie | 02/05/09
RE: Microsoft  jimk_z | 02/04/09
Look at the MS bashers go. These basement dwellers with a lot of time on  transposeIT | 02/05/09
Not a problem.  alf@... | 02/05/09
RE: Microsoft  stubie | 02/05/09
RE: Microsoft  whizxp | 02/05/09
Oh right, let's review beta software  StraussWylde | 02/05/09
UAC and "Windows Settings"...  D. W. Bierbaum | 02/05/09
RE: Microsoft  ItchyFingers | 02/05/09
What is the big deal?  Bob in Atlanta | 02/05/09
RE: Microsoft  jemd@... | 02/06/09
The fact remains....  stubie | 02/07/09
RE: Microsoft's worst nightmare: Windows 7 deemed less secure than Vista  hqconverter | 04/14/09

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