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What a Lie - er
Interesting that you used the word "Lie" to preface all of Opera's statements. Yeah, I know it's the guy's name and all, but . . .

Most people point toward the W3C for web "standards" - but the W3C is NOT a standards organization. Maybe it SHOULD be, but they are not.

But web standards are NOT constantly in flux! That is an obfuscating statement not supported by facts. The W3C comes up with a web standard - and it becomes "set in stone" after a beta period. If there are changes/updates they are put in an add-on standard (CSS v1,v2,v3).

M$ does need to do more to show support for standards and to move away from creating unilateral "working standards" for IE only. This includes making sure that their tools (like FrontPage) generate real web standard code (new versions).

It should be in M$ best interest to get out of the web standards business. Their moves into the search and cloud computing space demand that they interface with other vendor's browsers. Their need to cut out the fat of their overblown bureaucracy, to make their timetables faster on new products.

So how should this Opera thing play out? M$ pays a fine and does what it was going to do anyway - move toward web standards and get out of that business.
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Web Standards & Windows Updates  Stuka | 01/20/09
Your obviously an Opera Company spokesperson right?  pcguy777 | 01/27/09
What a Lie - er  Roger Ramjet | 01/20/09
standards in flux  Mary Jo Foley ZDNet Moderator | 01/20/09
Just start somewhere first  Roger Ramjet | 01/20/09
RE: Opera CTO: Here's how to level the browser playing field  DaveN_MVP | 01/20/09
Resolution is simple: Pay to eliminate the competition  terry flores | 01/20/09
Web standards are intended to damage Microsoft  Anton Philidor | 01/20/09
Opera = Good browser by a lazy company  croberts | 01/20/09
Yeah...  gamefreak9310 | 01/20/09
Being Norwegian Opera should know a lot about properity  InAction Man | 01/20/09
Being Norwegian Opera should know a lot about prosperity  InAction Man | 01/20/09
Agreed  Boot_Agnostic | 01/21/09
Windows update to send other companies software?  GuidingLight | 01/20/09
Level playing field  ErinieS | 01/20/09
Give me a break!  croberts | 01/20/09
Re; you anti-competitive leach.  hkommedal | 01/27/09
Uh-oh. NOW you've done it, croberts et al...  ejhonda | 02/02/09
Why should MS have a monopoly on Windows Update?  ye | 02/25/09
Ye, what  Aussie_Troll | 06/05/09
There is only one way to level the playing field  LittleGuy | 01/20/09
Are you kidding?  Tiggster | 01/20/09
Government regulation is essential. Lack of it results in subprime crisis,  InAction Man | 01/20/09
Are you equating...  rapson | 01/20/09
Nope! It's just a cautionary tale (nt)  InAction Man | 01/20/09
It has parallels in commerce  deaf_e_kate | 01/21/09
Just so you know, DOJ ruled to do just this 2 times until  LittleGuy | 01/21/09
Correction: Web standards are not constantly in flux, Web technology is  InAction Man | 01/20/09
Which is the problem.  TheWerewolf | 01/20/09
Asking the competition how to 'fix' the winner...  TheWerewolf | 01/20/09
We need government regulation  InAction Man | 01/20/09
your not really trying to compare the financial collapse and this....  JoeMama_z | 01/20/09
Which events and what regulations were lacking?  otaddy | 06/04/09
web standard?  jk_10 | 01/20/09
RE: Opera CTO: Here's how to level the browser playing field  NStalnecker | 01/20/09
Just let us know when you have removed IE completely from  hkommedal | 01/27/09
That's baloney!  devils_advocate | 01/27/09
No it is NOT. These arguments DO hold water. (nt)  hkommedal | 01/27/09
Is it just me or...  eeicke | 01/20/09
His last name is actually "Vium-Lie". "Lie" is pronounced as "Lee". (nt)  hkommedal | 01/27/09
Use of shortened surname in this article  Chalfont | 02/11/09
Most real users don't care what browser they run.  netapostle | 01/20/09
Try to remove IE. You can't. That is: Anti-competitive. (nt)  hkommedal | 01/27/09
Can't remove IE  segolden | 02/26/09
No, it means that it is a necessary component of the operating system...  Marty R. Milette | 02/28/09
RE: Opera CTO: Here's how to level the browser playing field  KGurtu | 01/20/09
but  Azathothh | 01/27/09
Firefox can be removed. IE can not. (nt)  hkommedal | 01/27/09
Now that is a lot of Choice. (nt)  hkommedal | 01/27/09
Here's how to do it...  Sleeper Service | 01/21/09
Remove IE completely and let us know how it goes (maybe next year).  hkommedal | 01/27/09
MS should just install Mosaic or HotJava  Boot_Agnostic | 01/23/09
I think...  spleendamage | 01/26/09
lol  Azathothh | 01/27/09
The others are removable. IE is NOT. That is Anti competition ! (nt)  hkommedal | 01/27/09
RE: Opera CTO: Here's how to level the browser playing field  TwighlightShadow | 01/26/09
What about sites that only work in IE?  drewitz@... | 01/26/09
All other browsers are removeable. BIG difference. (nt)  hkommedal | 01/27/09
How to get your first browser  pdf6161 | 01/27/09
RE: Opera CTO: Here's how to level the browser playing field  gomfp | 01/27/09
Standards compliant IE  debnath_m@... | 01/27/09
Bundling IE WITH Windows is not the problem, but you can not  hkommedal | 01/27/09
It's really sad...  devils_advocate | 01/27/09
Wrong again. IE can not be removed ! That is anti-  hkommedal | 01/27/09
Not really...  devils_advocate | 01/27/09
To have IE unremovable IS anti-competitive and EU agrees on that. (nt)  hkommedal | 01/27/09
Totally arbitrary test  otaddy | 06/04/09
Antiquated?  rhon@... | 01/27/09
Opera is going about it the wrong way...  svpaladin@... | 02/05/09
Dumb argument  sir4taye@... | 02/10/09
Ridiculoussssssssssssssssssssssss  Nsaf | 02/25/09
RE: Opera CTO: Here's how to level the browser playing field  faceman888 | 02/26/09
What about other systems? OSX, Linux, Smartphones, etc  seaniepie | 02/26/09
RE: Opera CTO: Here's how to level the browser playing field  motorhead1979@... | 06/07/09

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