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RE: Windows 7 and netbooks: Separating fact from speculation
http://www.dtschmitz.com/dts/2008/11/microsoft-missing-netbook-growth-as-linux-wins-sales.html

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Linux will drive the price down  calumg | 11/12/08
Eh?  Sleeper Service | 11/12/08
Just to clue you in...  UserLand | 11/12/08
Rather then speculate .....  ShadeTree | 11/12/08
Let's see...  UserLand | 11/12/08
Price and stability will be W7 killers if not good.  BillDem | 11/12/08
You could of just said ...  ShadeTree | 11/12/08
I'm not surprised.  kozmcrae | 11/12/08
reading blogs  coffeeshark | 11/12/08
uh oh....  Samic | 11/12/08
Post 'em!  UserLand | 11/12/08
Well since 70%...  Sleeper Service | 11/12/08
And?  MisterMiester | 11/12/08
Nope...  Sleeper Service | 11/12/08
@Sleeper - Uh?  MisterMiester | 11/12/08
Decrease from what?  kozmcrae | 11/12/08
Tut Tut, Mister Meister...  Sleeper Service | 11/13/08
@Sleeper - Logic problems?  MisterMiester | 11/13/08
Which would be fine except...  Sleeper Service | 11/13/08
Personal experience  daengbo | 11/12/08
Got some benchmarks I ran  willpd13 | 11/14/08
You tell half the story, and not very well  Cayble | 11/12/08
xp on a netbook  mswift@... | 11/12/08
XP on a Laptop  Dave-8128 | 11/12/08
Thanks for the info, Dave.  xuniL_z | 11/13/08
Very true  Ole Man | 11/13/08
ComputerWorld is anti-Microsoft  General C# | 11/12/08
There is no such thing as "unbiased" regarding MS  kozmcrae | 11/12/08
Considering XP originally ran ....  ShadeTree | 11/12/08
It's how windows uses the "disk".  bperrybap@... | 11/12/08
By 'clue me in'...  Sleeper Service | 11/12/08
What I do know.  deowll | 11/12/08
Re : Eh?  calumg | 11/12/08
Actually...  Sleeper Service | 11/12/08
Or maybe Windows 7 Starter Edition ...  mwagner@... | 11/12/08
And why intentionally cripple something? If you have a lean and mean OS,  DonnieBoy | 11/12/08
You mean like netbooks are crippling the Linux kernel?  xuniL_z | 11/12/08
Hardware crippling a kernel, that is a new one! The point is, the latest  DonnieBoy | 11/12/08
The point is that you've  xuniL_z | 11/12/08
Well, we know that Linux scales up and down very well. The jury is still  DonnieBoy | 11/12/08
Well, if you really mean that.....  xuniL_z | 11/12/08
xuniL_z: Wagner is the one that suggested a crippled version of Win7.  DonnieBoy | 11/12/08
You said ...  mwagner@... | 11/12/08
Wagner: we do not need to use technical advances for faster processors and  DonnieBoy | 11/12/08
xuniL_z: Starter Addition == Crippled. With Linux, you can have a lean and  DonnieBoy | 11/12/08
Donnie, I will listen to you, but first you have to admit....  xuniL_z | 11/13/08
It's called scalability ...  MisterMiester | 11/12/08
Ok, here we go again.  xuniL_z | 11/12/08
xuniL_z: You and Wagner baby are the only ones confused. Why put a crippled  DonnieBoy | 11/12/08
@xuniL_z - No there's a difference ....  MisterMiester | 11/12/08
@Donnie, stop lying.  xuniL_z | 11/12/08
@mister meister  xuniL_z | 11/12/08
xuniL_z: You're mistaken ... again  daengbo | 11/12/08
Exactly!  ShadeTree | 11/12/08
Because it is faster, safer, and better adapted to this form factor. The XP  DonnieBoy | 11/12/08
Same old refrain ....  ShadeTree | 11/12/08
ShadyBoy. That 4x figure was a single manufacturer that did everything  DonnieBoy | 11/12/08
The 4x return rate is not connected to any manufacturer hardware...  transposeIT | 11/13/08
Well, first ...  mwagner@... | 11/12/08
RE: Windows 7 and netbooks: Separating fact from speculation  no_zd_user_name | 11/12/08
Facts? Hardly Dietrich.  xuniL_z | 11/12/08
You may not like the facts, but, Linux IS on 30% of Netbooks, and you do  DonnieBoy | 11/12/08
They must not be using them ....  ShadeTree | 11/12/08
But I understand that the RETURN RATE ...  mwagner@... | 11/12/08
The high return rates are for a single vendor, and is probably not related  DonnieBoy | 11/12/08
That makes little sense  GuidingLight | 11/12/08
Is there any evidense that return rates are high in general for netbooks???  DonnieBoy | 11/12/08
From what I understand, they are ...  mwagner@... | 11/12/08
Wagner: we know you don't understand very much. Thats why they kicked you  DonnieBoy | 11/12/08
They also wouldn't be ....  ShadeTree | 11/12/08
Acer and Asus talking up Linux.  xuniL_z | 11/12/08
MSI: returns directly related to Linux  coffeeshark | 11/12/08
Mark, only you would throw away ...  MisterMiester | 11/12/08
I have no qualms about Linux ...  mwagner@... | 11/12/08
Premium for portability?  el56 | 11/12/08
The return rate issue  el56 | 11/12/08
"Eating into revenues" requires taking existing markeshare.  xuniL_z | 11/12/08
The point is that Linux is eating into Microsoft's revenues. Users shift to  DonnieBoy | 11/12/08
That is not the point. Not even close......  xuniL_z | 11/12/08
Wow, MS has much lower market share in a new and rapidly expanding form  DonnieBoy | 11/12/08
Yes Donnie.  xuniL_z | 11/13/08
doh!  mswift@... | 11/12/08
Actually, for some real work, Linux is best. It runs better, and you have  DonnieBoy | 11/12/08
Real Work?  mswift@... | 11/12/08
If you are using legacy software, you might have a problem. Most people  DonnieBoy | 11/12/08
Aside from customers that is, Donnie.  Sleeper Service | 11/12/08
Some Evidence  tmb_ayebe | 11/12/08
Sure....some people like you...  xuniL_z | 11/12/08
The Grieving Process  no_zd_user_name | 11/12/08
Meanwhile.....  xuniL_z | 11/12/08
You misunderstand Linux  calumg | 11/12/08
Compiling the kernel  DaveN_MVP | 11/12/08
Re: Compiling the kernel  goldenpanther | 11/12/08
FAIL!  de-void | 11/14/08
Most people...  gypkap@... | 11/12/08
The users won't recompile...  Olorin_z | 11/12/08
No, you misunderstood actually.  xuniL_z | 11/12/08
The most recent Linu kernel is faster and leaner than the older ones.  DonnieBoy | 11/12/08
"Linux has so much More share"  xuniL_z | 11/12/08
Another FAIL! wink  de-void | 11/14/08
Actually, Windows don't need to be crippled  Ole Man | 11/12/08
Wouldn't it be nice if you...  Sleeper Service | 11/12/08
The problem there is....  xuniL_z | 11/13/08
Yes it is cutting into sales  fwarren | 11/12/08
Those numbers are pretty grim.  kozmcrae | 11/12/08
ROFL ROFL ROFL!  de-void | 11/14/08
Yahoo! is now trading at $10 ...  Ole Man | 11/15/08
Netbook growth  Mary Jo Foley ZDNet Moderator | 11/12/08
Mary Jo, you ask a good question. Will MS lower price to protect market  DonnieBoy | 11/12/08
What huge discounts, Donnieboy?  GuidingLight | 11/12/08
I would imagine it is int the 25 dollar range instead of the 100 dollar  DonnieBoy | 11/12/08
Also, read the link below about the discounts and the restrictions.  DonnieBoy | 11/12/08
Another point is...  Sleeper Service | 11/12/08
It does not work that way  fwarren | 11/12/08
Where do you get 2014 from?  Sleeper Service | 11/13/08
Gotcha. Thanks Mary Jo!  no_zd_user_name | 11/12/08
I don't think I'll ....  ShadeTree | 11/12/08
I was a  no_zd_user_name | 11/12/08
No  de-void | 11/14/08
Not just Linux driving prices down  solomonrex | 11/12/08
Squeezed out?  DotNetWill | 11/12/08
Denial, anger, desperation, then what?  Ole Man | 11/12/08
@Ole Man  de-void | 11/14/08
Meaningful dialogue is useless  Ole Man | 11/15/08
So far, just a prettier face  linuser | 11/12/08
Randall Kennedy LOL!  Sleeper Service | 11/12/08
"just a prettier face"  Ole Man | 11/12/08
It is not just the higher resource usage, it is also the need for  DonnieBoy | 11/12/08
Linux UX  de-void | 11/14/08
Mary Jo: Microsoft IS giving huge discounts to get XP on Netbooks.  DonnieBoy | 11/12/08
discounts?  Mary Jo Foley ZDNet Moderator | 11/12/08
Mary Jo, these deals for XP are only for the Netbook category. If MS has in  DonnieBoy | 11/12/08
Please share your source...  logicearth@... | 11/12/08
Do you know how to use Google?? Try a simple search like  DonnieBoy | 11/12/08
The facts are ....  ShadeTree | 11/12/08
In any case, MS is offering special deals for netbooks that are not  DonnieBoy | 11/12/08
Speculation?  MisterMiester | 11/12/08
Mary Jo, could you please ask MS about current policies? Here is a ZdNet  DonnieBoy | 11/12/08
Open message to Microsoft  n0neXn0ne | 11/12/08
So far  gypkap@... | 11/12/08
RE: So far ... What is, is ...  n0neXn0ne | 11/12/08
How does Windows 7 run on netbooks...  storm14k | 11/12/08
Have you considered...  Sleeper Service | 11/12/08
Think about this then....  storm14k | 11/13/08
I'm sorry but what the hell are you on about?  Sleeper Service | 11/13/08
Its not a task at all....  storm14k | 11/13/08
Are you sure that you know about?  Ole Man | 11/13/08
Except Vista does not hog resources because it gives them back (NT)  logicearth@... | 11/13/08
Why does Vista suck up resources unnecessarily to begin with?  Ole Man | 11/15/08
A leopard never changes his spots  Ole Man | 11/12/08
Just as Windows XP was more ...  mwagner@... | 11/12/08
Thats contrary to fanboy rhetoric.  storm14k | 11/13/08
Ermmm ... nope!  de-void | 11/14/08
Nice soliloquy  Ole Man | 11/15/08
Every new OS release ...  mwagner@... | 11/18/08
Yup, just like every new automobile  Ole Man | 11/18/08
If you bothered reading...  Wolfie2K3 | 11/12/08
So in other words....  storm14k | 11/13/08
No!  de-void | 11/14/08
RE: Windows 7 and netbooks: Separating fact from speculation  micpet | 11/12/08
RE: Windows 7 and netbooks: Separating fact from speculation  ramnet@... | 11/12/08
RE: Windows 7 and netbooks: Separating fact from speculation  mwagner@... | 11/12/08
You are very naive to think that we need all of that for netbooks.  DonnieBoy | 11/12/08
The point is that ...  mwagner@... | 11/12/08
But, you assume that all advances will go into faster hardware, not cheaper  DonnieBoy | 11/12/08
It's true that price-points will ...  mwagner@... | 11/12/08
I think you underestimate the power of competition. Of course MS does not  DonnieBoy | 11/12/08
Uh?  MisterMiester | 11/12/08
Perhaps today but the iPhone and ...  mwagner@... | 11/12/08
Wrong again ...  MisterMiester | 11/12/08
You are correct but ...  mwagner@... | 11/18/08
Everything has a but........  Ole Man | 11/18/08
You assume everyone wants Linux.  GuidingLight | 11/12/08
Everyone wants value, and if you do not need to run legacy applications,  DonnieBoy | 11/12/08
But everyone's view of "value" ...  mwagner@... | 11/12/08
Gullibility has no prevention  Ole Man | 11/13/08
Woosh  fwarren | 11/12/08
I run Vista on a Dell Mini 9...  Narg | 11/12/08
If it could, it would we.  TripleII | 11/12/08
4x higher return rate for Linux NetBooks  Mr. Dee | 11/12/08
The higer return rate for Linux was a particular vendor, and probably did  DonnieBoy | 11/12/08
ASUS pioneered the market and eeePC dominates it  Mr. Dee | 11/12/08
No, it was NOT ASUS, read the link in the body where the CEO says the  DonnieBoy | 11/12/08
MSI are a 'small' company?  Sleeper Service | 11/12/08
MSI is small? lol  coffeeshark | 11/12/08
Old news, debunked thoroughly  TripleII | 11/12/08
I love the YouTube clip  Ole Man | 11/12/08
It is all of these virtual machines that even HP wants to know.  rtirman37@... | 11/12/08
In any case, MS is offering special deals for netbooks that are not  DonnieBoy | 11/12/08
Not me  mietz | 11/12/08
Keep it up Microsuck  guiri | 11/12/08
Linux is not  GuidingLight | 11/12/08
RE: Not ... Linux  n0neXn0ne | 11/12/08
This is like asking Microsoft  Ole Man | 11/15/08
Should we not also assume...  itpro_z | 11/12/08
But, do not look for all advances to go into faster processors and more  DonnieBoy | 11/12/08
"The most popular"?  itpro_z | 11/12/08
If you can break the 200 dollar barrier, people will buy these in large  DonnieBoy | 11/12/08
Becasue it is not stripped down  fwarren | 11/12/08
Response  itpro_z | 11/12/08
A couple of corrections.  TripleII | 11/12/08
Hey TripleII  no_zd_user_name | 11/12/08
Or...  no_zd_user_name | 11/12/08
Not much new to add, lol.  TripleII | 11/12/08
TripleII. I stopped after the first one......  xuniL_z | 11/12/08
You missed the point.  TripleII | 11/12/08
He really isn't interested in your points.  no_zd_user_name | 11/12/08
Yes  Ole Man | 11/12/08
Well thank you Dietrch.  xuniL_z | 11/13/08
You don't need VMware ...  MisterMiester | 11/12/08
Not for Windows programs.  TripleII | 11/12/08
@TripleII - You could run it remotely ....  MisterMiester | 11/12/08
EVerything else aside.....  xuniL_z | 11/13/08
Reply below. Called Future of Netbooks. (nt)  TripleII | 11/13/08
100% correct on the versatility ...  MisterMiester | 11/12/08
I think the sweet spot for sceen size will be 10 or 11 inches.  DonnieBoy | 11/12/08
Still Trying  ccrasher | 11/14/08
Go to school  Ole Man | 11/15/08
NT  Dave-8128 | 11/12/08
RE: Windows 7 and netbooks: Separating fact from speculation  DonBurnett | 11/12/08
Good post till the end.  TripleII | 11/12/08
The most popular message here from Winguys.....Do not bash as I do.......  Ole Man | 11/13/08
I guess it depends on how much you rely on Amazon reviews.....  xuniL_z | 11/13/08
RE: Windows 7 and netbooks: Separating fact from speculation  DonBurnett | 11/12/08
No that's for the MSI Wind ...  MisterMiester | 11/12/08
Mainly because the headline should be...  Sleeper Service | 11/12/08
Good thing you don't run a corporation ...  MisterMiester | 11/12/08
Could be too much association  Ole Man | 11/13/08
Well no...  Sleeper Service | 11/13/08
'Netbook' definition? Maybe for a Windows user...  lefty.crupps | 11/12/08
Touch based pc monitor?  jshewsbury@... | 11/12/08
Netbooks....LOL! FIRST RUN ON A DT THEN THINK ABOUT NETBOOKS  ardnivar | 11/13/08
Obviously you've just came out of your basement. Win7 already runs on it.  transposeIT | 11/13/08
Neither fact nor speculation  jolumoar | 11/13/08
More powerful netbooks  Spats30 | 11/13/08
"As long as M$ doesn't limit the license"  Ole Man | 11/13/08
They better lower the price  jpr75_z | 11/13/08
Future of Netbooks.  TripleII | 11/13/08
Literally  Bob C User | 11/13/08
Yes, too many.  TripleII | 11/13/08
This is all total speculation TripleII.  xuniL_z | 11/13/08
You may be right on desktops.  TripleII | 11/13/08
I won't be using Vista or Win7 and I'm a Fan...  dunn@... | 11/13/08
What do you really want?  xuniL_z | 11/13/08
MS DOES care  de-void | 11/14/08
What Microsoft cares deeply about  Ole Man | 11/15/08
RE: Windows 7 and notebooks: Separating fact from speculation  CharlesEtheridge@... | 11/13/08
A One-Year License for Netbooks  3dguru | 11/13/08
RE: VISTA Will Not Happen Again!  ccrasher | 11/14/08
that is what all Microsoft customers hope and pray  Ole Man | 11/15/08
Windows & Office  rtb | 11/15/08
Netbooks - bad for hardware industry, good for Microsoft  Sameer Dubey | 11/17/08
RE: Windows 7 and netbooks: Separating fact from speculation  DonBurnett | 12/09/08

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