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Mary-Jo, I agree. I downloaded IE8 beta 2 and have been using it with my sites. Learned some awful things -- I have many problems viewing my web and blog pages in standards mode, and I will use the compatibility meta-tag and HTTP response to force compatible viewing until I can figure out a systematic way to improve the level of standards conformance.

In this respect, the Compatibility View toggle is a life saver. It makes it very easy to see the difference and it also makes it easy to automatically use Compatibility mode on future visits to the same site, unless the site issues over-rides.

This is going to be very important until browsers that do not support standards mode become insignificant on the Internet. I think the IE 8.0 approach is the absolutely best pragmatic and responsible approach for providing a steady migration without cutting ourselves off from proper access to billions of pages.

The business about the default being switched on intranets is a red herring. Corporations can control that as part of their deployment, but defaulting to compatibility view is probably the best choice in case there are legacy line-of-business web applications on the intranet. When IE 8.0 reaches out to the public internet, the default switches back.

This ranting about betrayal simply demonstrates a complete sensitivity to enterprise needs. The days of throwing a switch on software change-over are long gone, and business models that depend on that gone with them.

For my own web work, I am grateful for how IE 8 beta 2 shows us how to anticipate and support a gradual change-over. Now if we can get the same kind of support in office-productivity software, we may be able to move to interoperably-usable standard formats there too!

I have more of my initial analysis here:
http://orcmid.com/blog/2008/08/interoperability-ie-80-disruption.asp
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