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Show us the infringements
Let Monkeyboy Ballmer put up or shut up. Show us valid patent infringements, take them to court, and see what happens.

Microsoft infringes on 542 patents, but I'm not going to tell you which ones....

It didn't work for SCO, it won't work for MS, but look for them to try to get all the FUD value they can out of it. It will never go to court, but I wish it would.
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Business as usual...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/09/07
Of course...  John L. Ries | 10/09/07
Of course  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/09/07
Some patents.  Anton Philidor | 10/09/07
BS  gotitright | 10/09/07
Microsoft should...  Information_z | 10/11/07
No BS!  mveble@... | 10/12/07
Another factual item.  Anton Philidor | 10/09/07
Not their job  John L. Ries | 10/09/07
You mean the OSDL study which FSF has no access to.  odubtaig | 10/09/07
The law requires an injured party to mitigate damanges.  ye | 10/09/07
Yup  Yagotta B. Kidding | 10/09/07
Ye try explaining that to No_Axe .  Intellihence | 10/09/07
"unwitting violators" ??  Absolutely | 10/10/07
You don't know?  odubtaig | 10/10/07
A program is not an "invention"  Absolutely | 10/18/07
Speaking of rules . . .  startx.jeff | 10/09/07
Not that I can see.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/09/07
Not surprised you can't see  MarcB_z | 10/09/07
Don't use my words, use the FSF study  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/09/07
Misrepresentation  MarcB_z | 10/09/07
280ish if memory serves.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/09/07
Nice try  MarcB_z | 10/09/07
The word No_ax doesn't seem to understand  Monkey_MCSE | 10/09/07
So then SHOW US THE POTENCIAL list.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/09/07
MarcB, no one said they steal only from MS.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/09/07
No we don't  MarcB_z | 10/09/07
Message has been deleted.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/09/07
Like you "grasped" the SCO case  MarcB_z | 10/09/07
Everything except comply with the rulings  glocks out | 10/09/07
Huh, they just went to court  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/09/07
They went to court years ago  glocks out | 10/09/07
The real *Kangaroo Court*  JohnObeto | 10/09/07
wow so eu COURT IS A ZOO  Quebec-french | 10/09/07
Cognitive Dissonance? (NT)  odubtaig | 10/09/07
Kangaroo court?  Linux User 147560 | 10/09/07
I think it's simply amazing...  JJQ1000 | 10/10/07
To court and then some  coverlt@... | 10/10/07
Not according to the EU  JJQ1000 | 10/10/07
If so (NOT conceded)  Jambalaya Breath | 10/11/07
Business as usual...  mrOSX | 10/09/07
Same claims the FSF made  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/09/07
Alledged, non-validated "violations"  MarcB_z | 10/09/07
So then SHOW THE WORLD  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/09/07
Yes you are demonstrating a textbook example of FUD  MarcB_z | 10/09/07
Yes, the FSF generates FUD.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/09/07
Terrifed?  filker0 | 11/08/07
Where is your evidence they are talking about ...  mrOSX | 10/09/07
Didn't say they were an identical list...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/09/07
the difference is...  Monkey_MCSE | 10/09/07
Afraid to look in your own backyard.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/09/07
another obtuse No_Ax posting  Monkey_MCSE | 10/09/07
Demanding OPENESS is obtuse?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/09/07
nice change of position  Monkey_MCSE | 10/09/07
I have to admit...  DarkPhoenixFF4 | 10/10/07
No_Axe should demand openness from M$  JJQ1000 | 10/10/07
Iam not raniting...  mrOSX | 10/09/07
That will come when the time is right.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/09/07
Yep, that sure worked for SCO...  MarcB_z | 10/09/07
RE: that will come when the time is right...  Monkey_MCSE | 10/09/07
The whole Balmer problem is...  JJQ1000 | 10/10/07
No, they said NO SUCH THING  MarcB_z | 10/09/07
I never said they were identical lists.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/09/07
But you did, on many occasions, many many times (NT)  odubtaig | 10/09/07
Same claims the FSF made  uM0p ap!sdn | 10/11/07
Supposed violations  filker0 | 11/08/07
Ohhhh brother  bitfuzzy | 10/12/07
Ohhh! and we can't forget this one  bitfuzzy | 10/12/07
My "hobby" pays my bills,  Henrik Moller | 10/09/07
They are playing by the rules  Michael Kelly | 10/09/07
What do you know about business?  Chad_z | 10/09/07
You mean, Ballmer shooting off his mouth?  Yagotta B. Kidding | 10/09/07
Yep -- if you can't beat them with code . . .  critic-at-arms | 10/10/07
Do you work for Microsoft?  ben.rattigan | 10/11/07
Business as usual...  wjgrimm | 10/11/07
Microsoft has open source projects (straw man)  sydpdx | 10/19/07
As PJ at Groklaw wrote -  whisperycat | 10/09/07
"NT is Unix"  madprogrammer | 10/11/07
Show us the infringements  MarcB_z | 10/09/07
WHy would they show you?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/09/07
Reruns  MarcB_z | 10/09/07
Yes, your pleas are reruns...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/09/07
Sorry  MarcB_z | 10/09/07
Excuse me?  kozmcrae | 10/09/07
Okay...  DarkPhoenixFF4 | 10/10/07
Like SCO...  coverlt@... | 10/10/07
It's the law  glocks out | 10/09/07
Are you a defendant?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/09/07
well in a court of law..  Monkey_MCSE | 10/09/07
And when it goes to court...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/09/07
It won't go to court  MarcB_z | 10/09/07
haha you're a fool...  Monkey_MCSE | 10/09/07
FSF is dumb if they release the reports  TIEUTHUNHI@... | 10/11/07
I'm not ranting, you are  glocks out | 10/09/07
I am not ranting, I want discloser  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/09/07
why do you want disclosure?  Monkey_MCSE | 10/09/07
What am I terrified of?  glocks out | 10/10/07
Microsoft is afraid of disclosure  JJQ1000 | 10/10/07
Open Source  Dave32265 | 10/11/07
Re: WHy would they show you?  none none | 10/09/07
How do you know there is nothing to show?  ye | 10/09/07
You're right  John L. Ries | 10/09/07
Let me retract that  John L. Ries | 10/09/07
it's always possible..  Monkey_MCSE | 10/09/07
Because they can't win in court if they don't  magcomment | 10/09/07
Might be because...  John L. Ries | 10/09/07
They have no choice but to show their cards  JJQ1000 | 10/10/07
WHy would they show you?  wjgrimm | 10/11/07
No obligation until it gets to court  mveble@... | 10/12/07
Who says Red Hat hasn't been told the infringements?  PB_z | 10/09/07
You remember wrong.  odubtaig | 10/09/07
The problem with that argument is...  JJQ1000 | 10/10/07
Why?  mveble@... | 10/12/07
Guess M$ is worried  DarthRidiculous | 10/09/07
FUD? WHy did FSF say the same then?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/09/07
They didn't  MarcB_z | 10/09/07
Do your own homework child.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/09/07
As you well know from my comment above...  odubtaig | 10/09/07
Pointing to...  DarkPhoenixFF4 | 10/10/07
Well, yeah (NT)  odubtaig | 10/10/07
Har har...  DarkPhoenixFF4 | 10/10/07
OSRM Study vs. MS's assertions of violation.  FlakMagnet | 10/10/07
Having work to do..  SpikeyMike | 10/10/07
Correct.  FlakMagnet | 10/11/07
...and gaining market share  JohnObeto | 10/09/07
Wrong!  madprogrammer | 10/11/07
Are you forgetting...  Dave32265 | 10/11/07
Choose Novell/Linspire/Gentoo or Solaris  pa2004 | 10/09/07
EOLAS not interested in suing "non-commercial" software organizations  Anton Philidor | 10/09/07
They can cut a deal...but they won't  DonRupertBitByte | 10/09/07
The patent commons is sullied?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/09/07
No but your reputation is....  MarcB_z | 10/09/07
But software patents are all bad, right?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/09/07
Not just Microsoft.  Anton Philidor | 10/09/07
Lanham act violation  DonRupertBitByte | 10/09/07
Worldwide.  Anton Philidor | 10/09/07
We aren't that unstable  DonRupertBitByte | 10/09/07
Thanks to IP.  Anton Philidor | 10/09/07
Anton i dont think that will ever see  Quebec-french | 10/09/07
You could be right.  Anton Philidor | 10/09/07
re: mr Anton  Quebec-french | 10/10/07
Another analogy.  gotitright | 10/09/07
As if you were ever right  DonRupertBitByte | 10/09/07
Make your case Ballmer  Tim Patterson | 10/09/07
What a silly little rant...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/09/07
funny bit  Tim Patterson | 10/09/07
Then why not do as I suggest  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/09/07
and why should they?  Monkey_MCSE | 10/09/07
Its what you ask of MS, why not ask both?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/09/07
and there in lies your strawman  Monkey_MCSE | 10/09/07
Because he isn't threatening MS  MarcB_z | 10/09/07
Because M$ would have to disclose first  JJQ1000 | 10/10/07
Who cares?  coverlt@... | 10/11/07
FSF has no list.  FlakMagnet | 10/10/07
Guess you never watched "Law & Order"  JJQ1000 | 10/10/07
Balmer is ALREADY "playing with fire"  JJQ1000 | 10/10/07
be really careful for what your asking monkey boy  Quebec-french | 10/09/07
no_ax being his normal obtuse self  Monkey_MCSE | 10/09/07
Being OPEN is obtuse?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/09/07
again, why?  Monkey_MCSE | 10/09/07
Demand it from both sides...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/09/07
Go ahead  MarcB_z | 10/09/07
It's is Microsoft's responsiblity to defend their...  mrOSX | 10/09/07
And there are MANY ways to do that.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/09/07
And only that one matters  JJQ1000 | 10/10/07
*sigh*  FlakMagnet | 10/10/07
Even further obtuse  TripleII | 10/09/07
Wow, Balmer really needs Redhat to sign.  TripleII | 10/09/07
It is surprising  Ole Man | 10/09/07
23 axes to grind  whisperycat | 10/09/07
how does (s) he afford to post so much?  shis-ka-bob | 10/09/07
You must have a great deal of spare time...  Anton Philidor | 10/09/07
It doesn't require  zkiwi | 10/09/07
Trusting Microsoft isn't necessary.  Anton Philidor | 10/09/07
Then you're pretty much accepting that  zkiwi | 10/09/07
Unethical not to sue for patent violations?  Anton Philidor | 10/09/07
Unethical in the sense that...  zkiwi | 10/09/07
Harming competitors  Anton Philidor | 10/09/07
No I don't agree  zkiwi | 10/09/07
Anton, have to side with Zkiwi here  Monkey_MCSE | 10/09/07
Whoa Nellie!  Cardinal_Bill | 10/09/07
Probably means that he's the "general"  Ole Man | 10/09/07
"How can No Axe find the time..."  Jack-Booted EULA | 10/09/07
What I find even stranger is that Non-Zealot hasn't been around for awhile.  Intellihence | 10/09/07
Say something nice about Apple  MarcB_z | 10/09/07
we are ready to battle the M$ beast!  Linux Geek | 10/09/07
you too right but even then  Quebec-french | 10/09/07
Go ahead, we all need a good laugh.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/09/07
We're already laughing  DarkPhoenixFF4 | 10/11/07
hey no axe  Quebec-french | 10/09/07
Throw another M$ on the BBQ.  DragonlordWarlock | 10/10/07
No Axe  mrOSX | 10/09/07
Loss of case  DarkPhoenixFF4 | 10/11/07
Threaten your customers ...  George Mitchell | 10/09/07
The threat is stronger than the execution.  Anton Philidor | 10/09/07
Only to a point  MarcB_z | 10/09/07
Could be said another way  Ole Man | 10/09/07
IP freely  gotitright | 10/10/07
Lessons learned  coverlt@... | 10/11/07
Red Hat's defiance  Anton Philidor | 10/09/07
Why?  zkiwi | 10/09/07
Microsoft is not the only company holding patents.  Anton Philidor | 10/09/07
Anton I may be misunderstanding you...  Monkey_MCSE | 10/09/07
Let's say you're CEO of Red Hat.  Anton Philidor | 10/09/07
It's the terms under which MS wants an agreement that are the first problem  odubtaig | 10/09/07
Completely misreading Red Hat's boilerplate  DarkPhoenixFF4 | 10/11/07
Specifics  Yagotta B. Kidding | 10/09/07
Well...  zkiwi | 10/09/07
A truly bizarre interpretation. (nt)  Henrik Moller | 10/09/07
I wonder how many...  BitTwiddler | 10/09/07
Forget stolen IP as a peace gesture?  JohnObeto | 10/09/07
RE:If Microsoft believes that company property is being used without ...  mrOSX | 10/09/07
Spoken like a frightened individual  magcomment | 10/09/07
WTF?  DarkPhoenixFF4 | 10/11/07
Ballmer tried that before ...  Golodh2 | 10/09/07
It's Ok..I Bookmarked This Article  itanalyst | 10/09/07
Its not that easy sad  Stuka | 10/09/07
Oh Yeah, I Forgot  itanalyst | 10/09/07
I think you better do a little more reading  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/09/07
Yes, I Have Done The Reading  itanalyst | 10/09/07
LOL  DarkPhoenixFF4 | 10/11/07
Bring it fat boy  Chad_z | 10/09/07
Message has been deleted.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/09/07
wow that a good one MR  Quebec-french | 10/09/07
I like the part where...  odubtaig | 10/09/07
Considering He's About 80 Years Old..Yes He Is  itanalyst | 10/09/07
You must be a bad influence on them...  B.O.F.H. | 10/10/07
Linux vendors and investors are so worried about Microsoft..  Henrik Moller | 10/09/07
Have You Noticed Every Other Post Is No_Axe?  itanalyst | 10/09/07
The real issue here is ,,,  Intellihence | 10/09/07
Classic Disinformationalist behaviour wink  odubtaig | 10/09/07
Well, you see, it's like this...  BanjoPaterson | 10/09/07
You Forgot  itanalyst | 10/09/07
But you did, on many occasions, many many times (NT)  odubtaig | 10/09/07
Should've been 'reply to message' (NT)  odubtaig | 10/09/07
I beg of you ZDNet  yyuko@... | 10/09/07
It would require real stupidity  Ole Man | 10/09/07
Monopoly is not enough?  Alwayscheapest.com | 10/09/07
All patents must die [nt]  Omch'Ar | 10/09/07
The "Magic Patent", a Microsoft fantasy ...  George Mitchell | 10/09/07
Yes, and we know where BG got his "patented" material  Ole Man | 10/10/07
Shhhhhhh ...  George Mitchell | 10/10/07
Linux is the last major threat to Windows  simon@... | 10/09/07
Poor Balmer...  gotitright | 10/09/07
SCO all over again ...  stmueller | 10/09/07
RE: Microsoft's Ballmer calls out Red Hat with more patent threats  sj_z | 10/10/07
But not in Germany?  BobF_z | 10/10/07
*snicker*  FlakMagnet | 10/10/07
What happened to my civil discussion with OButterball?  osreinstall | 10/10/07
Yeah, I was wondering about that...  Linux User 147560 | 10/10/07
Giggle. Maybe the Redmond Ogre ...  OButterball | 10/10/07
It's the Ron Paul factor.  osreinstall | 10/10/07
Case in point!  Linux User 147560 | 10/10/07
Why bother anymore?  osreinstall | 10/10/07
Case proven OButterball.  osreinstall | 10/11/07
Force the issue  scott1329 | 10/10/07
RE: Microsoft's Ballmer calls out Red Hat with more patent threats  alphawiz | 10/10/07
RE: Microsoft's Ballmer calls out Red Hat with more patent threats  bricar2 | 10/10/07
Congrats  maalmike@... | 10/10/07
RE: Microsoft's Ballmer calls out Red Hat with more patent threats  G Brent LeVasseur | 10/10/07
No_Ax... please note something  meryllogue@... | 10/10/07
Unfortunately...  DarkPhoenixFF4 | 10/11/07
The Real Problem...  jdriddle | 10/10/07
Hear hear!  Ole Man | 10/10/07
exactly!  madprogrammer | 10/11/07
RE: Microsoft's Ballmer calls out Red Hat with more patent threats  HiltonT | 10/10/07
Ballmer calls out Red Hat  aussieblnd@... | 10/10/07
if Linux contains so much stolen MS IP  A.Lizard | 10/11/07
Hee hee  DarkPhoenixFF4 | 10/11/07
RE: Microsoft's Ballmer calls out Red Hat with more patent threats  madprogrammer | 10/11/07
Good for RedHat !  madprogrammer | 10/11/07
BTW, Novell Complicit?  madprogrammer | 10/11/07
What about the Open Invention Network?  twessels@... | 10/11/07
RE: Microsoft's Ballmer calls out Red Hat with more patent threats  Jambalaya Breath | 10/11/07
Lets face it. Microsoft has the obligation, not the FSF  GoAwayMicrosoft | 10/12/07
So much for Letting the better system win.  mikifinaz1@... | 10/12/07
Huh?  DarkPhoenixFF4 | 10/12/07
Ballmer here! My spin! TRUTH!!!!  ballmerrules@... | 10/12/07
RE: Microsoft's Ballmer calls out Red Hat with more patent threats  jestewart1 | 10/12/07
Real issue is software patents are idiotic  sydpdx | 10/19/07

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