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Quite happy with my GroupWise server
Another reason why I wouldn't want to use Exchange. It's an overly complex, costly solution that does nothing for me or my users. GroupWise on the other hand issued patches that worked! No ifs, and, or's order. It just worked. And worked beautifully.

Plus they provided wonderful additional automated tools to allow us to fix everyone's personal items across the network. We were done with everything within the hour, and never had to pick up the phone to get support. All in all.. an easy smooth operation that only required 4 minutes of downtime.
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Quite happy with my GroupWise server  yyuko@... | 03/08/07
Can't say we were as lucky  voska | 03/08/07
Could agree more  dharken@... | 03/08/07
Microsoft's the easy one  voska | 03/08/07
Could have been a lot easier  mark.hill.smt | 03/08/07
I agree  xxn1927 | 03/08/07
Routers, Switches?  communications@... | 03/08/07
Yes, Routers and DSL Modems and such!  ThumbsUp2 | 03/09/07
DST problems  pmarsh | 03/08/07
DST problems  auntyspam | 03/08/07
Spaghetti code  mv520 | 03/08/07
How can MS keep getting away with this?  LittleGuy | 03/08/07
This is quality  bportlock | 03/08/07
'CAUSE THAT'S QUALITY - THE MS WAY  sergiovf@... | 03/08/07
Try turning your CAPSLOCK off...  bportlock | 03/08/07
A Polite way to ask is......  NatureRules65 | 03/08/07
Local rules apply  bportlock | 03/08/07
WoW  xxn1927 | 03/08/07
They get away with it because YOU WON'T CHANGE!  mlindl | 03/08/07
INDEED I DO  sergiovf@... | 03/08/07
Define "quality"  John Zern | 03/08/07
RE: Define "quality"  Protagonistic | 03/08/07
Define "quality"  uM0p ap!sdn | 03/08/07
Linux users don't have to be 'programmers' like Windows users.  nomorems | 03/08/07
The Apple zealot statement of the year.  xuniL_z | 03/09/07
I'm not attempting to define "quality"...  bportlock | 03/08/07
On reflection....  bportlock | 03/08/07
OMG!! I'm not a programmer  martinfam@... | 03/08/07
heh?  richvball44 | 03/09/07
Umm...Could it be LINUX?  dbarr@... | 03/12/07
Umm...It could be anything (but my money says linux)  litljay | 03/12/07
Try reading again  No_Ax_to_Grind | 03/08/07
he actually added to the topic  linuxoverwindows | 03/08/07
Try reading again  uM0p ap!sdn | 03/08/07
BECAUSE THEY ARE WS MOVERS AND SHAKERS  sergiovf@... | 03/08/07
Hang on a sec  arod69 | 03/08/07
Are you seriously  LittleGuy | 03/08/07
DST has been adjusted over the years.  osreinstall | 03/08/07
The voice of reason!  LittleGuy | 03/08/07
Oh sure......  DMcAdie | 03/08/07
You betcha.  osreinstall | 03/08/07
So if February suddenly has 42.7 days  gitmo | 03/12/07
Yes.  osreinstall | 03/15/07
The DU  danstenzel@... | 03/08/07
Ummm...well, it appears to me that Microsoft wont spend money for customers  nomorems | 03/08/07
Timezone edit is an old tool  sbillingsley | 03/08/07
I have it and a unofficial patch that works great.  osreinstall | 03/08/07
Actually  Alzie | 03/08/07
Thanks  osreinstall | 03/08/07
History? Who studies history anymore?  walterclark@... | 03/09/07
I study it from time to time.  osreinstall | 03/09/07
I think...  cashaww | 03/08/07
RE: Hang on a sec  Protagonistic | 03/08/07
Microsoft sucks.  nomorems | 03/08/07
Self-inflicted wounds  Yagotta B. Kidding | 03/08/07
happy  richvball44 | 03/09/07
Woow !! -  Technowiz | 03/12/07
Re: How can...  justanitguy | 03/08/07
I don't just have it in for MS, but  LittleGuy | 03/08/07
Documentation  Yagotta B. Kidding | 03/08/07
Message has been deleted.  nomorems | 03/08/07
All i can say is  SO.CAL Guy | 03/08/07
Washington Corruption?  mark_twn2525@... | 03/10/07
Washington Corruption?  mark_twn2525@... | 03/10/07
Why is this Microsoft's fault?  Kevin Dean | 03/08/07
Bureaucratic Experimentation  cef1000@... | 03/08/07
cutting salaries and benefits  jarchiewells@... | 03/08/07
Snort...  Cardinal_Bill | 03/08/07
sure  richvball44 | 03/09/07
Idiot  murphya@... | 03/09/07
Idiot?  rsouza@... | 03/09/07
You do know that...  xuniL_z | 03/09/07
Governments acting before understanding  YottaVolt | 03/08/07
So Congress should check with MS  LittleGuy | 03/08/07
Not at all...  Heatlesssun1 | 03/08/07
See note above  LittleGuy | 03/08/07
i was wondering that too  richvball44 | 03/09/07
Exactly  red_ragtop | 03/12/07
Not about money  voska | 03/08/07
No Such Thing  Ole Man | 03/08/07
wueeel.  xuniL_z | 03/09/07
but  richvball44 | 03/09/07
NO industry needs to be 'consulted'. WE the people control the US.  nomorems | 03/08/07
Quit while you're ahead  frgough | 03/08/07
Too Late  Ole Man | 03/08/07
The truth will set you free...  smdunn | 03/09/07
Why MS?  justanitguy | 03/08/07
If you are having trouble with GROUPWISE I would suggest you are an idiot.  nomorems | 03/08/07
Wrong!!!  3D0G | 03/09/07
My reply is...  cashaww | 03/08/07
research the facts before you post  JJohnson@... | 03/08/07
Why is this Microsoft's fault?  dforness@... | 03/08/07
Yeah, that's it. Blame everyone else except the folks who wrote the warez!  nomorems | 03/08/07
Disagree  erikjohnson | 03/08/07
RE: Disagree  gdstark13 | 03/08/07
Here here!  deramin@... | 03/08/07
Hello????? So society should be ruled by IT?  nomorems | 03/08/07
RE: Disagree  erikjohnson | 03/08/07
RE: Disagree  Lynne's Honey | 03/11/07
But The Poor Politicians  Ole Man | 03/08/07
...because it's completely unnecessary  kevin.cline@... | 03/08/07
Blame cannot be fixed on anyone  Insight Driver | 03/08/07
Gee...Apple had a PC before MS began their 'forced Windows install'.  nomorems | 03/08/07
because you are a mac user i will  SO.CAL Guy | 03/08/07
my head hurts  richvball44 | 03/09/07
because you are a windows user i will  richvball44 | 03/09/07
"All the procrastinators are now scrambling"  nomorems | 03/08/07
Why is it massive?  mds_z | 03/08/07
Actually  3D0G | 03/09/07
Either way  swoopee | 03/11/07
And this is more than just the US  terrym@... | 03/08/07
Because the law was passed in 2005!!!  mathandmetal | 03/08/07
Because they can't make (and distribute) a simple change!  cdgoldin | 03/09/07
Placing Blame?  DNSB | 03/10/07
because their system is spaghetti  cls@... | 03/14/07
Exchange and 2007 DST  mcoleman@... | 03/08/07
6 months ago...not such a problem  Bob in Atlanta | 03/08/07
Myriad?  Narg | 03/08/07
I'm in the mon-ey, I'm in the mon-ey  Chad_z | 03/08/07
Show me the money  stemcellphone | 03/12/07
Another Reason to Avoid Exchange!  brenneman.2@... | 03/08/07
Not an MS lover but...  YottaVolt | 03/08/07
Exchange - fun, fun, fun with patch-roulette!!  sj_z | 03/09/07
The biggest problem is...  ARealist | 03/08/07
RE: The biggest problem is...  gdstark13 | 03/08/07
Microsoft wants you to think theat hey are ALLLLLLLL that @  nomorems | 03/08/07
Another byproduct of the geniuses in Washington!  B.O.F.H. | 03/08/07
Credit where credit is due  frgough | 03/08/07
WHAT ELSE CAN I ADD BRO  sergiovf@... | 03/08/07
One problem with that  voska | 03/08/07
Incorrect  frgough | 03/08/07
The Big Pictchuh  Ole Man | 03/08/07
INDOCTRINATION  westks | 04/05/07
Government needs to check with MS before  LittleGuy | 03/08/07
He he he  sergiovf@... | 03/08/07
mickys club  stemcellphone | 03/12/07
Amen!  dbarr@... | 03/08/07
..  richvball44 | 03/09/07
such misplaced blame  westks | 04/05/07
The $4,000 joke  jeff.allen@... | 03/08/07
Why should Microsoft support EOL software for free?  ye | 03/08/07
I don't think they should do it for free.  osreinstall | 03/08/07
$4000 is for everything, not just Windows.  ye | 03/08/07
What do you do for retail folks?  osreinstall | 03/08/07
What part of EOL is confusing you?  ye | 03/08/07
You are being obnoxious  osreinstall | 03/08/07
What's obnoxious is the needless MS bashing.  ye | 03/08/07
You are, by saying toughsh*t.  osreinstall | 03/08/07
Why are you having so much difficult with this?  ye | 03/08/07
I am not having difficulty with it. Just your attitude.  osreinstall | 03/08/07
Take responsibility for YOUR decisions.  ye | 03/08/07
I did you goof.  osreinstall | 03/08/07
You did what?  ye | 03/08/07
You are a real WinZealot.  osreinstall | 03/08/07
Why is it when people defend Microsoft they're...  ye | 03/08/07
Because you are.  osreinstall | 03/08/07
One has to be critical in order to not be a zealot?  ye | 03/08/07
Another absolute statement.  osreinstall | 03/08/07
Accusing people of being a zealot is a last resort...  ye | 03/09/07
Hey, if the shoe fits, wear it.  osreinstall | 03/09/07
I'm saying "tough" because...  ye | 03/09/07
You are mad at the world. Who cares.  osreinstall | 03/09/07
Why was the scenario absured? And where was...  ye | 03/10/07
Because you can't have customers unless there is a transaction  osreinstall | 03/10/07
EOL software should become public domain  LittleGuy | 03/08/07
Do you mean open source?  ye | 03/08/07
Public Domain is different from Open Source  maldain | 03/08/07
I know the difference. What I don't understand is...  ye | 03/08/07
Why should MS support EOL software?  jeff.allen@... | 03/08/07
Microsoft Isn't Responsible For Anything  Ole Man | 03/08/07
Not discussing limited scenarios.  ye | 03/08/07
What EOL software???  DNSB | 03/10/07
The sky is not falling  krschillinger | 03/08/07
The sky is not falling (are you sure)  WhoCare$ | 03/08/07
Not a good idea...  HBEaker | 03/08/07
Actaully you can uncheck the automatic adjustment ...  mrlinux | 03/08/07
I unchecked "Automagically adjust..."  swoopee | 03/11/07
Manual Changes?  DNSB | 03/10/07
WHY BILL, WHY?  WhoCare$ | 03/08/07
Only found out last week?  ceward_z | 03/08/07
words  dhays | 03/08/07
Started your updates 6 months ago?  DNSB | 03/10/07
To be fair, their website suggests they started deploying this  HypnoToad72 | 03/08/07
Amen  arod69 | 03/08/07
reality?  sergiovf@... | 03/08/07
congressites  viztor | 03/08/07
Be Realistic!  neil.baker@... | 03/08/07
MY GOODNESS!  QueenMama | 03/08/07
omgwtfpwned - i cant believe a MS patch dont work  linuxoverwindows | 03/08/07
I agree, it's hard to believe  John Zern | 03/08/07
of faulty design and unjustifiable costs  Mitch 74 | 03/08/07
... not exactly...  kevin.cline@... | 03/08/07
You need to do your research before doing any major upgrades!  mike.panagos@... | 03/08/07
Blame Congressman Ed Markey of Mass.  rupaa62 | 03/08/07
more on morons  johntgraham@... | 03/09/07
enough blame to go around  westks | 04/05/07
More MS mayhem...  LittleGuy | 03/08/07
WTF...  justanitguy | 03/08/07
Don't see this info anywhere on Zdnet, so I thought  LittleGuy | 03/08/07
Why the Surprise?  hoiatl | 03/08/07
Isn't it beautiful?  yyuko@... | 03/08/07
Not Missing Out on Anything  rickk@... | 03/08/07
Its YOUR fault  nsmallcomb@... | 03/08/07
Finally, a post that cuts through the whining  MowGreen | 03/08/07
"'Cyberbabies' are everywhere these days"  Ole Man | 03/08/07
You're close  frgough | 03/08/07
RE: Its YOUR Fault  Lynne's Honey | 03/11/07
Tip of iceburg  sysop-dr | 03/08/07
This just shows how assinine it is to not have the world on a single time.  Letophoro | 03/08/07
Your recommendation is much worse.  osreinstall | 03/08/07
Also, who gets to decide  John Zern | 03/08/07
12 hour?  toadlife | 03/08/07
Hear, hear!  Linux User 147560 | 03/08/07
Father Time  osreinstall | 03/08/07
I Know!  TripleII | 03/08/07
I believe they do that now. Just having some fun with original poster.  osreinstall | 03/08/07
Yes, it was completely tongue in cheek (nt)  TripleII | 03/08/07
There should be only 2 times....  mrlinux | 03/08/07
I pray to God to stop time so it is easier.  osreinstall | 03/08/07
I wasn't being totally serious, but...  Letophoro | 03/08/07
I hope not.  osreinstall | 03/08/07
When all is said and done, more will be said than done. [NT]  swoopee | 03/08/07
Wise Observation  Ole Man | 03/08/07
In the immortal words of Homer Simpson...  Letophoro | 03/08/07
Time sense is based on the sun  voska | 03/08/07
I thought the ancient Babylonians cipered it in in 6 base.  osreinstall | 03/08/07
A whole NINE hours extra? Wow!  bart001fr | 03/12/07
I HAVE THE SOLUTION  westks | 04/05/07
Well designed systems do it that way already  cls@... | 03/08/07
Simple patch for some items  DNSB | 03/10/07
DST  dhays | 03/08/07
stop messing with time  corticus | 03/08/07
What's wrong with saving a little energy???  adametsu@... | 03/08/07
No they don't  dragosani | 03/08/07
I call BS  ajole | 03/08/07
You must be wrong....  James T. Kirk | 03/08/07
Arabs  3D0G | 03/08/07
Not hard to believe  voska | 03/08/07
Hmmm...  DNSB | 03/10/07
Not only that  voska | 03/08/07
"saves.... millions of barrels of oil of energy a day  Ole Man | 03/08/07
Right now it's theoretical; never mind based off of 30 year old data...  HypnoToad72 | 03/08/07
Theoretical meaning 30 year old data, attempted 30 years later, will  HypnoToad72 | 03/08/07
yes  richvball44 | 03/10/07
I really dont think so.  osreinstall | 03/08/07
Of Mice, Men, and Politicians..  wlwhited@... | 03/08/07
Numbers  TripleII | 03/08/07
In answer to your question  yyuko@... | 03/08/07
DST is a fallacy period  wlwhited@... | 03/08/07
You raise valid points  TripleII | 03/08/07
no end of the world but is irritating  voska | 03/09/07
A great cartoon...  kenwd0elq | 03/08/07
not entirely correct  richvball44 | 03/10/07
Your figures are wrong  yyuko@... | 03/08/07
"Wrong Numbers"  wlwhited@... | 03/08/07
Microsoft Problems with DST--It's why I use a Mac  Robert Zogby | 03/08/07
So did Microsoft  John Zern | 03/08/07
I guess you missed this little tidbit  NonZealot | 03/08/07
Some folks missed the memo.  osreinstall | 03/08/07
Overly Simpleton user  yyuko@... | 03/08/07
I feel so much better now..  wlwhited@... | 03/08/07
They aren't talking about issues with stand-alone systems.  ajole | 03/08/07
So go to a Mac Forum  TerryNT | 03/08/07
So this is a Windows forum?  Fred Fredrickson | 03/10/07
Industry specific???  DNSB | 03/10/07
$4000 Patch?  pritchet1 | 03/08/07
Where can I get the patch for OS X 10.2?  ye | 03/08/07
Man that Linux powered Google is something else!  Linux User 147560 | 03/08/07
No it's not. I want an OFFICIAL Apple patch.  ye | 03/08/07
what Windows 2000 users can do  3D0G | 03/08/07
Open System Prefs &  j.m.galvin | 03/08/07
Ummm....  3D0G | 03/08/07
Yeah! I screwed up  j.m.galvin | 03/08/07
ROFL  yyuko@... | 03/08/07
And this is a patch how?  ye | 03/08/07
Earlier Mac OS were easier  DNSB | 03/10/07
How about for my Apple II?  NonZealot | 03/08/07
Sorry, can't get that from Apple  3D0G | 03/08/07
Wrote a patch  pwestfall | 03/08/07
Sheer laziness...  M.R. Kennedy | 03/08/07
Just another newbie...  DNSB | 03/10/07
Idea  TripleII | 03/08/07
Corrections  yyuko@... | 03/08/07
Thanks  TripleII | 03/08/07
ahhhh  richvball44 | 03/10/07
Ummm... almost totally wrong  DNSB | 03/10/07
Why dont we do what i said before.. abolish DST  Been_Done_Before | 03/08/07
68% of people like DST, I'm one of them.  TripleII | 03/08/07
68% of people in 1976 liked it, but they liked Farah and the Mustang 2 too!  ajole | 03/08/07
Well, I was 9 in 1976  TripleII | 03/08/07
Yeah, But I'll Bet  Ole Man | 03/08/07
eck  richvball44 | 03/10/07
Finally, a good suggestion!  ajole | 03/08/07
wrong  PhilippeV | 03/09/07
It still doesn't matter  voska | 03/09/07
Microsoft needs Open Source help.  Resuna | 03/08/07
DST needs to go away, sort of...  Narg | 03/08/07
It wwas not too bad, but...  msalomon | 03/08/07
Energy Act of 2005  Servit2me | 03/08/07
WE BELIEVE EVERYTHING THAT IS IN PRINT  BALTHOR | 03/08/07
Typical Reactions  pj_mouse | 03/08/07
so turn off automatic DST clock update and do it manually! it is stupid to  wessonjoe | 03/08/07
More serious than that  PhilippeV | 03/09/07
Mary Jo, quit bringing up the $4000 patch  PB_z | 03/08/07
Because!  Ole Man | 03/08/07
Can be cheaper than paying your IT staff to deploy a manual fix  PB_z | 03/09/07
Bill Why?  j1mitchell@... | 03/08/07
Is it really that hard for Windows?  Tony Agudo | 03/08/07
Who cares as some items cannot be fixed for DST changes.  rafarn@... | 03/08/07
Not just a M$ problem....  kenwd0elq | 03/08/07
VCRs off?  DNSB | 03/10/07
why bother with patches?  jefgorbach@... | 03/08/07
change the time manually, Duh.  daddykevin13 | 03/08/07
DST CHANGE  daffydaz@... | 03/08/07
Apple quietly issued a free fix 3 weeks ago  ralphrides | 03/08/07
DST  arb773@... | 03/08/07
Freeware  wtre44@... | 03/08/07
No Sympathy From Me  CptMatt | 03/08/07
This is simple so why are people struggling ?  pounder_arthur@... | 03/09/07
RE: This is simple so why are people struggling ?  Lynne's Honey | 03/10/07
Why are people having problems?  Leria | 03/09/07
The famous "Y2K bug" syndrom  PhilippeV | 03/09/07
no big deal  reedjjjr | 03/09/07
DST  camera12@... | 03/09/07
Exchange DST  ewong@... | 03/09/07
Same issues here  DNSB | 03/10/07
Way cheaper to have somebody manually change the time...  Linux_Fanboy | 03/09/07
RE: Way cheaper to have somebody manually change the time  Lynne's Honey | 03/10/07
Agreed  ThumbsUp2 | 03/09/07
RE: Agreed  Lynne's Honey | 03/10/07
The Truth IS . . .  Lynne's Honey | 03/10/07
32+ revisions...  lawryll@... | 03/10/07
dst microsoft no problem here  dbolvin | 03/11/07
Only for XP SP2, Vista, Server 2003  DNSB | 03/11/07
Could Not Purchase Exch 5.5 DST Patch  bandito67 | 03/11/07
So, here we are . . .  Sheeva | 03/12/07
Underlying Fact  Technowiz | 03/12/07
DST Woes  margsi2 | 03/14/07
Clueless...  jbielot@... | 03/22/07
RE: Microsoft customers melting down over Daylight Saving patches  Jackie150 | 10/11/09
RE: Microsoft customers melting down over Daylight Saving patches  sexy costumes | 11/11/09
RE: Microsoft customers melting down over Daylight Saving patches  sexy costumes | 11/11/09

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