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How is this Microsoft's fault?
They removed IE just like Opera was crying about. If OEM's will install it anyway, then how is this Microsoft's fault?

Again, the solution to this is not to complain. It's Microsoft's OS, they should be allowed to include what they want in it. The fact that no one uses Opera falls directly onto Opera itself.
Just look at Firefox as an example. They have been able to gain impressive market share against IE in just how many years?

Quit acting like you're 2 Opera. The fault Isn't Microsoft's. It's you.
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The only 'remedy' the EC  mdemuth | 07/17/09
Even if the competition is good enough to gain market share on MS  DonnieBoy | 07/17/09
And what is the illegal practice?  rapson | 07/17/09
"sufficient remedy"  nizuse | 07/17/09
Exactly. This IS the EU's technology revenues.  xuniL_z | 07/17/09
If you mean Opera...  A.Sinic | 07/18/09
Then why was this filled under the EU?  mikefarinha | 07/18/09
Then why was this filled under the EU?  Ole Man | 07/18/09
Thanks for filling us in on your educational level Ole Man. NT
devil  xuniL_z | 07/19/09
One would think you would be rejoicing in the street  Ole Man | 07/18/09
Whining.  xuniL_z | 07/19/09
Socialist living off of the power of capitalism  electroman76 | 07/27/09
More pain to them.  bendib | 07/18/09
WHY?  Patanjali | 07/19/09
I agree Carl  electroman76 | 07/27/09
Usual Donnie FUD  Patanjali | 07/19/09
How do they have a Monopoly?  electroman76 | 07/27/09
How is this Microsoft's fault?  NStalnecker | 07/17/09
Right on! (NT)  Loverock Davidson | 07/17/09
Exactly  dave@... | 07/17/09
"Fault" thinking = whining.  nizuse | 07/17/09
Wrong, Opera makes money everytime somebody uses the tool bar to search  DonnieBoy | 07/17/09
Let them make a better 'mousetrap'  Patanjali | 07/19/09
Why Donnie! For once you posted the truth...!  Wolfie2K3 | 07/20/09
what as stupid rationale!!!  Nsaf | 07/18/09
what as stupid rationale!!!  mgp3 | 07/18/09
OEM's will not install IE  jorjitop | 07/17/09
What do the OEMs want to support?  mikefarinha | 07/18/09
So why is MS being punished?  Patanjali | 07/19/09
Silly questions... Simple answer...  Wolfie2K3 | 07/20/09
Simple indeed...  zkiwi | 07/20/09
In any case, what could be wrong with letting the final user decide???  DonnieBoy | 07/17/09
What could be wrong?  rapson | 07/17/09
The customer gets to tell the OEM  Michael Kelly | 07/17/09
Aha, you cracked the shell!  Ole Man | 07/18/09
I'm truely starting to believe.....  xuniL_z | 07/19/09
So why wasn't Microsoft's "remedy" a good one?  xuniL_z | 07/19/09
I never said that...  NStalnecker | 07/17/09
Wow! A grain of truth....  Ole Man | 07/18/09
You would have...  ShadowGIATL | 07/20/09
Yup... Opera sucks rotten eggs.  Wolfie2K3 | 07/20/09
Also of note...  ShadowGIATL | 07/20/09
A distinct possibility, DB  Ole Man | 07/18/09
They could do that anyway.  Patanjali | 07/19/09
Agree 100%  Ole Man | 07/18/09
I don't see that happening  NStalnecker | 07/19/09
You could write several books  Ole Man | 07/19/09
You can dream it......  xuniL_z | 07/19/09
You can wish in one hand...  ShadowGIATL | 07/20/09
Its more like Opera wants a free ride..  JT82 | 07/17/09
Precisely  de-void | 07/17/09
Actually...  nizuse | 07/17/09
No impact on Revenue?  mathcreative | 07/18/09
And the whole time...  ShadowGIATL | 07/20/09
EU = Politically backed Monopoly  Rama.NET | 07/22/09
The bigger question is: If IE is so good, why does MS need to leverage the  DonnieBoy | 07/17/09
The end user could always decide [nt]  dkawalec | 07/17/09
How does the end used decide???  martin23 | 07/17/09
Where have you been hiding, Martin?  Ole Man | 07/18/09
WOW....answers that question.  ShadowGIATL | 07/20/09
The Ole Man said he uses "second grade" logic up above somewhere.....  xuniL_z | 07/21/09
This is wrong on many different levels...  DevStar | 07/19/09
Now there... is coherence.  ShadowGIATL | 07/20/09
Ummm...  ShadowGIATL | 07/20/09
Um.. NO.. Actually it doesn't... Never did..  Wolfie2K3 | 07/20/09
IE for driver updates?  hungryjoe | 07/23/09
Who's "leveraging their monopoly"?  mgp3 | 07/17/09
If the OEMs insist on perpetuating a monopoly  Michael Kelly | 07/17/09
What monopoly?  JT82 | 07/17/09
Here is your answer  nizuse | 07/17/09
Re: Here is your answer  mgp3 | 07/17/09
It's easy  nizuse | 07/17/09
Take that up with the EC  Michael Kelly | 07/17/09
Couldn't agree more  LiquidLearner | 07/17/09
RE: Is Windows 7 E just a gimmick?  Badgered | 07/17/09
Who would want Windows without IE intergration?  condelirios | 07/17/09
They didn't.  James T. Kirk | 07/17/09
re: why  Badgered | 07/17/09
Yea...  ShadowGIATL | 07/20/09
RE: Is Windows 7 E just a gimmick?  themp | 07/17/09
EU and its ideas  karnok.d@... | 07/17/09
RE: Is Windows 7 E just a gimmick?  Loverock Davidson | 07/17/09
I cannot boycott Opera.  James T. Kirk | 07/17/09
"you only get one chance to make a first impression"  Ole Man | 07/18/09
Only you...  ShadowGIATL | 07/20/09
Big deal.  nizuse | 07/17/09
What law was that?  GuidingLight | 07/17/09
Take a deep breath...  mgp3 | 07/17/09
There ya go.  nizuse | 07/17/09
Well.. that explained everything,  ShadowGIATL | 07/20/09
It would be part of Anti-Trust law.  B.O.F.H. | 07/17/09
Since you did the work.....  xuniL_z | 07/21/09
Lol - he asks me for a law reference  nizuse | 07/17/09
Its not a big deal  Loverock Davidson | 07/17/09
"Consequences"  nizuse | 07/17/09
You don't understand business  Loverock Davidson | 07/17/09
re: Consequences  Badgered | 07/17/09
You're caught up in your thinking I see  nizuse | 07/17/09
So what you're saying...  wolf_z | 07/18/09
huh?  Badgered | 07/20/09
not exactly a precedent here...  ShadowGIATL | 07/20/09
Except that...  zkiwi | 07/20/09
Maybe...  ShadowGIATL | 07/20/09
"Shadow" you are absolutely right. The EU/EC tipped it's hand unwittingly..  xuniL_z | 07/21/09
Ah yes, fair...  zkiwi | 07/17/09
The ruling is already there  Loverock Davidson | 07/17/09
Show the ruling then...  zkiwi | 07/17/09
Technically its not  Loverock Davidson | 07/17/09
Really?  zkiwi | 07/17/09
By surrendering...  wolf_z | 07/18/09
Duh  zkiwi | 07/18/09
Give it up LR.....here's the logic.  xuniL_z | 07/19/09
Opera doesn't like it? Gosh, there's a surprise.  James T. Kirk | 07/17/09
How does opera expect to gain marketshare without advertising  MissingMatter | 07/17/09
maybe this is a dumb question...  lostarchitect | 07/17/09
re: Question  Badgered | 07/17/09
I see, it's basically up to the OEM. thx. (n/t)  lostarchitect | 07/17/09
more or less....  Badgered | 07/17/09
Easily fooled?  pokota | 07/17/09
You mean as easily fooled as you?  jackbond | 07/17/09
Google should never...  Erroneous | 07/17/09
Plus...  ShadowGIATL | 07/20/09
re: fooled  Badgered | 07/17/09
Don't let the fools fool you, poky  Ole Man | 07/19/09
Could you clarify what is meant by "soon" in your little adage there?  xuniL_z | 07/21/09
Don't like Windows, buy a Mac...  jackbond | 07/17/09
Not disagreeing with the premise of your post...  Captiosus | 07/17/09
Holy cow! Between Martin (above) and yourself  Ole Man | 07/18/09
Good post.  nizuse | 07/18/09
Look...  ShadowGIATL | 07/20/09
you forgot something...  ShadowGIATL | 07/20/09
But there has been monopolistic behaviour,  nizuse | 07/17/09
You are slow to catch up right?  markbn | 07/17/09
Key words: HAS BEEN...  Wolfie2K3 | 07/20/09
RE: Is Windows 7 E just a gimmick?  step69 | 07/17/09
Nah.. That would never happen...  Wolfie2K3 | 07/20/09
Don't like the Microsoft environment?  jackbond | 07/17/09
....  Badgered | 07/17/09
"They get rung up because of morons and bribes"  Ole Man | 07/18/09
Lobbying...  ShadowGIATL | 07/20/09
yea it is, so what?  JoeMama_z | 07/17/09
What am I supposed to use to download Firefox?  nucrash | 07/17/09
ftp  Dietrich T. Schmitz | 07/17/09
Surely you knew that.  Dietrich T. Schmitz | 07/17/09
But copying software is bad...  nucrash | 07/18/09
True. True. I completely forgot. Sorry Nucrash.  Dietrich T. Schmitz | 07/18/09
Magic!  zkiwi | 07/17/09
In the old days AOL...  wolf_z | 07/18/09
"Opera could always pull something like that in the EU... "  mgp3 | 07/18/09
Talk about make you less wanted...  ShadowGIATL | 07/20/09
Take your pick...  Wolfie2K3 | 07/20/09
MS Offering Different Browsers is Ludicrous!  cnfrisch | 07/17/09
I don't know what you're smoking, but...  zkiwi | 07/17/09
Just to point out...  ZDnet Reader 43 | 07/17/09
I should point out that...  zkiwi | 07/17/09
Yes, but...........  Ole Man | 07/18/09
Well, if the EC takes 7E as...  zkiwi | 07/18/09
Umm...  ShadowGIATL | 07/20/09
Nice summary  Ole Man | 07/18/09
Opera: Stop Whining!  Cosmo54 | 07/17/09
RE: Is Windows 7 E just a gimmick?  englishrussian | 07/18/09
He always confirms that he is an idiot..don't delete  Nsaf | 07/18/09
What needs to happen..  dptcreations@... | 07/18/09
Sounds positively ludicrous...  Wolfie2K3 | 07/20/09
When dealing with horors (spelling intentional)  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/18/09
You're Right On the Euro!!  daves1646 | 07/18/09
It's not about respect...or laws...or competition...  mgp3 | 07/18/09
Whatever makes M$ miserable. (NT)  bendib | 07/18/09
But...  ShadowGIATL | 07/20/09
EU should force all OEMs to install 25% Linux  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/18/09
Stop talking nonsense....  mgp3 | 07/18/09
No, tell me its not so!!!  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/18/09
If they don't, the EC is a failure, (at best)  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/18/09
Recidivist offenders are tricky to deal with...  zkiwi | 07/18/09
And absolute power corrupts...  mgp3 | 07/18/09
The issue is with Microsoft and not the OEMs.  B.O.F.H. | 07/19/09
Then the rejection of MS's solution makes no sense.  xuniL_z | 07/19/09
No ruling has come down yet, this is preemtive (perhaps a dodge).  B.O.F.H. | 07/19/09
Yes, i was just replying to your comment as the OEMs relate to the case...  xuniL_z | 07/20/09
Problem is NoAx, they'd never reach the 25%....  xuniL_z | 07/19/09
Windows 7 E is just a snare  Ole Man | 07/19/09
Seems the EU was responsive to the XP "N" versions.....  xuniL_z | 07/19/09
Ah, I love your spunk, xunil_z  mgp3 | 07/19/09
However  ego.sum.stig@... | 07/19/09
And I noticed you served up...  mgp3 | 07/19/09
mpg3, stay away from this one.  xuniL_z | 07/19/09
Seeing as you asked  ego.sum.stig@... | 07/20/09
Actually...  ShadowGIATL | 07/20/09
Well  ego.sum.stig@... | 07/20/09
ADRian......are you now a soothsayer and MS basher?  xuniL_z | 07/19/09
Curious  tonymcs@... | 07/19/09
Is AKH just a gimmick?  View from Here | 07/19/09
I Totally agree.  xuniL_z | 07/20/09
I don't think it matters....  ShadowGIATL | 07/20/09
RE: Is Windows 7 E just a gimmick?  dptcreations@... | 07/20/09
Missing the point of article.  purevw@... | 07/24/09
McAfee tech ? Oxymowron  MowGreen | 07/24/09
EU/EC fines Microsoft a gazillion dollars  alan.douglas@... | 07/24/09

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