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I agree and believe Apple is playing a very dangerous game.
As you said, if a court says that part of the EULA is unenforceable Apple will see a hundred clone makers next month.

Ya know, a person/company might even make a good "Retraint of Trade" or even a "Monopoly" arguement.

As I said in the header, Apple is playing a very dangerous game.
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If it goes to trial...  John L. Ries | 07/16/08
I agree and believe Apple is playing a very dangerous game.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/16/08
Who else has a dog in the hunt?  Resuna | 07/16/08
You're wrong about the FSF  Michael Kelly | 07/16/08
I wonder if it would end OEM editions  voska1 | 07/16/08
Not really  daengbo | 07/19/08
Not really  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/16/08
Actually yes ...  dkawalec | 07/16/08
First sale doctrine  wolf_z | 07/17/08
NO, they can NOT do with it what they like.  nancyjones36507@... | 07/17/08
They aren't distributing  wolf_z | 07/17/08
Not artificially...  Still Lynn | 07/16/08
No other vendor???  vulpine@... | 07/16/08
Did I miss the announcement?  NonZealot | 07/16/08
My Dear N-Z. I was hoping you'd show up.  vulpine@... | 07/16/08
artificial and onerous  buddhistMonkey | 07/17/08
Really?  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 07/16/08
Do you really think so?  daengbo | 07/19/08
Milton Bradley sues Not Asked Can't Tell!!  Still Lynn | 07/16/08
You need to . . .  JLHenry | 07/16/08
It's all about the EULA...  wineaux | 07/16/08
It's NOT about the EULA  John Sawyer | 07/16/08
To which smoke screen are you referring to?  wineaux | 07/16/08
I disagree  voska1 | 07/16/08
Actually, it's NOT about the EULA...  vulpine@... | 07/16/08
Which code was modified?  wineaux | 07/16/08
Which code was modified?  vulpine@... | 07/16/08
Mac OSX's Darwin  daengbo | 07/19/08
A very good argument, daengbo...  vulpine@... | 07/19/08
If I'm not mistaken  alaniane@... | 07/20/08
No, Apple's code ..  msalzberg | 07/16/08
clearly?  doh123 | 07/16/08
They pay Apple for a license,...  vulpine@... | 07/16/08
But then, No Ax, you've always been anti-Apple.  vulpine@... | 07/16/08
clearly apple waited to increase the impact  marks055@... | 07/16/08
You hope Psystar wins?  eMJayy | 07/17/08
But then, Apple just sold 25% of all new PCs in the US...  vulpine@... | 07/17/08
No, Apple's sales only account for 8%  eMJayy | 07/17/08
In part, I have to agree.  vulpine@... | 07/19/08
I don't believe this!  djchandler | 07/17/08
FreeBSD is not the same as GPL  alaniane@... | 07/20/08
expensive  oncall | 07/16/08
Ahhh ...  Adrian Kingsley-Hughes ZDNet Moderator | 07/16/08
Chance estimate  johnfenjackson@... | 07/16/08
The company would suffer if ...  vulpine@... | 07/16/08
It's all about the mark-up  eMJayy | 07/17/08
It's all about the mark-up -- NOT!  vulpine@... | 07/19/08
Wild card  Michael Kelly | 07/16/08
crapware removal and copyrights  Pyrrho of Elis | 07/16/08
Pretty Much  LiquidLearner | 07/16/08
Not really  GoPower | 07/16/08
Um...  laura.b | 07/16/08
While it may no longer be the case..  msalzberg | 07/16/08
Oh, I know  laura.b | 07/16/08
Walk into Best Buy, Circuit City, any retailer for that matter  GoPower | 07/17/08
No, you're wrong  laura.b | 07/18/08
OEM license vs. Apple license  Yaalanhoo | 07/18/08
It's not how much you spend...  Still Lynn | 07/16/08
A valid Mac Serial...  arminw | 07/16/08
No you've violated MS copyright  GoPower | 07/16/08
No it probably wouldn't even work  dkawalec | 07/16/08
the cd key is disable on HP tried this for two weeks  Randalllind | 07/16/08
So this could be problem for me  voska1 | 07/16/08
Might not need the key  Randalllind | 07/16/08
Oh, But the Resale...  Sean_A | 07/16/08
It was a HP machine (what don't you understand?)  Randalllind | 07/16/08
Copyright and crapware removal not related  John Sawyer | 07/16/08
Yup...  vulpine@... | 07/16/08
Depends who gets involved...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/16/08
no, they did not...  doh123 | 07/16/08
well...  doh123 | 07/16/08
Would you believe....  vulpine@... | 07/16/08
Depends on what they modified  John L. Ries | 07/16/08
What they did is more akin to...  Dr. John | 07/17/08
I think you have something backwards, here...  vulpine@... | 07/16/08
I guess we'll find out  John L. Ries | 07/16/08
My suspicion is...  vulpine@... | 07/16/08
Movies specifically fall under public performance  wolf_z | 07/17/08
There is more than copyright at stake here...  aj.redmond@... | 07/17/08
RE: Apple wants Psystar to snatch back Mac clones from customers ... and other thoughts  chuck@... | 07/16/08
How do we know  Pliny the Elder | 07/16/08
Is omission the same as modification?  Michael Kelly | 07/16/08
elimination in part = modification  wingedpower | 07/16/08
Reminds me of the days of DLL hell  Michael Kelly | 07/16/08
since when...  doh123 | 07/16/08
Doesn't  John L. Ries | 07/16/08
Neither  daengbo | 07/19/08
Accepted-- though that's a big IF.  vulpine@... | 07/19/08
Agreed  daengbo | 07/19/08
Wait-  dband@... | 07/16/08
But what if they did modify only the Darwin portions?  John L. Ries | 07/16/08
You're an idiot  Kaiwai | 07/17/08
You're an idiot if you use an Apple  pdemondo | 07/17/08
Apple don't use PowerPC  Kaiwai | 07/17/08
Apple don't use PowerPC DUHHH  pdemondo | 07/17/08
Stop right there!  vulpine@... | 07/19/08
Apple don't use PowerPC  patbot | 04/06/09
go Apple  exxtraz | 07/16/08
pfft  ZenMasta | 07/16/08
Actually, the Mac mini's price is pretty aggressive...  olePigeon | 07/16/08
Actually...  Thought1 | 07/16/08
Not the issue  dband@... | 07/16/08
Bad Analogy  LiquidLearner | 07/16/08
Worse analogy...  vulpine@... | 07/16/08
The analogy fails...  fairportfan | 07/17/08
your off...  doh123 | 07/16/08
A case of buyer beware?  wingedpower | 07/16/08
I dont agree...  doh123 | 07/16/08
Your right to disagree...  vulpine@... | 07/16/08
"Psystar is great for helping Apple ...  vulpine@... | 07/16/08
Yes, you would rather  tikigawd | 07/16/08
Now if Psystar violated some sort of OSX License then that's another story.  vulpine@... | 07/16/08
Did I miss the trial and guilty verdict?  wineaux | 07/16/08
Apple ALLEGES that Pystar violated ...  vulpine@... | 07/16/08
Sorry Vulpine  wolf_z | 07/17/08
Intellectual Rights...  aj.redmond@... | 07/17/08
Permission  daengbo | 07/19/08
@daengbo...  vulpine@... | 07/19/08
EULAs' validity had never been tested in court  tikigawd | 07/17/08
At the very least...  msalzberg | 07/17/08
Tiki, you pose a fairly realistic theory, with one exception  vulpine@... | 07/19/08
That has yet to be determined  tikigawd | 07/17/08
What's with the Apple Store return complaints?  wineaux | 07/16/08
Apparently  tikigawd | 07/17/08
go Apple BULL SH*T  pdemondo | 07/17/08
go Apple to the trash heap where you beong  pdemondo | 07/17/08
Missing application  johnfenjackson@... | 07/16/08
Hehehe  Adrian Kingsley-Hughes ZDNet Moderator | 07/16/08
RE: Apple wants Psystar to snatch back Mac clones from customers ... and ot  Telix | 07/16/08
Imagine if Apple was held to the same standards of quality?  waecaidr@... | 07/16/08
Faster, Cheaper, more reliable... pick two.  wingedpower | 07/16/08
The crapware that Quicktime...  vulpine@... | 07/16/08
So, now I know who to blame  alaniane@... | 07/20/08
Nope....  vulpine@... | 07/21/08
RE: Apple wants Psystar to snatch back Mac clones from customers ... and ot  Thought1 | 07/16/08
Apple's damages  Rick_R | 07/16/08
Cheap competition isn't illegal  Michael Kelly | 07/16/08
A more relevant example would be....  wingedpower | 07/16/08
You make a good case for voiding the warranty  Michael Kelly | 07/16/08
Yup,  vulpine@... | 07/16/08
RE: Apple wants Psystar to snatch back Mac clones from customers ... and ot  themacmaster | 07/16/08
Dilution of Trademark, Negative Impact on Company Image, etc...  wingedpower | 07/16/08
so?  doh123 | 07/16/08
Doh, it's not the EULA.  vulpine@... | 07/16/08
RE: Apple wants Psystar to snatch back Mac clones from customers ... and ot  Sean_A | 07/16/08
RE: Apple wants Psystar to snatch back Mac clones from customers ... and other thoughts  Archkittens | 07/16/08
a little different...  doh123 | 07/16/08
"Making it run.."  msalzberg | 07/16/08
You, Doh, pointed out the problem...  vulpine@... | 07/16/08
What is that old saying now....:P  James Quinn | 07/16/08
"Apple wants Psystar to snatch back Mac clones..."  Userama | 07/16/08
RE: crapware removal and copyrights  linuxoid | 07/16/08
RE: Apple wants Psystar to snatch back Mac clones from customers ... and ot  Dave Bialac | 07/16/08
I agree, more consumer choices = better value for all  acad2kman | 07/16/08
Then don't expect support  Kaiwai | 07/16/08
Wisdom, pure wisdom  tikigawd | 07/17/08
But if your sister's Dell had problems..  msalzberg | 07/17/08
And your point is?  tikigawd | 07/17/08
You changed the subject.  msalzberg | 07/17/08
@msalzberg  tikigawd | 07/17/08
If I was Apple  Kaiwai | 07/16/08
sorry, that's not Apple's style...  patibulo | 07/17/08
Apple the villain?  aj.redmond@... | 07/17/08
Apple is the original villian  yochaigal | 07/17/08
Taken vs. Legally acquired  aj.redmond@... | 07/17/08
Sharing  tikigawd | 07/17/08
Of Course  aj.redmond@... | 07/17/08
@aj: I would call that selling  tikigawd | 07/17/08
Symantecs  aj.redmond@... | 07/17/08
@aj: Semantics, perhaps  tikigawd | 07/17/08
Angelic Company?  aj.redmond@... | 07/17/08
Psystar PAID for every copy of the OS  tikigawd | 07/17/08
2 Choices  Kaiwai | 07/17/08
Since when does any company  tikigawd | 07/17/08
If you purchase goods ...  msalzberg | 07/17/08
Hot hot heat  tikigawd | 07/17/08
Apple is claiming that..  msalzberg | 07/17/08
I could demand that you give me a million bucks  tikigawd | 07/17/08
You are an idiot  Kaiwai | 07/17/08
ARGH!! The "I" word!!!  tikigawd | 07/17/08
re: ARGH  Badgered | 07/17/08
Psystar website back online  eMJayy | 07/17/08
demise?  nancyjones36507@... | 07/17/08
Not the Same as IBM Clones  amywohl | 07/17/08
Not the Same as IBM Clones much worse  pdemondo | 07/17/08
Licensing  tikigawd | 07/17/08
re: Licensing  Badgered | 07/17/08
OK  tikigawd | 07/17/08
If IBM had been this EVIL, there would be no PCs  pdemondo | 07/17/08
Apple are friggin' retarded  guiri | 07/17/08
RE: Apple wants Psystar to snatch back Mac clones from customers ... and other thoughts  kokuryu | 07/17/08
Apple suit dead because of Boot Camp  djchandler | 07/17/08
And what if...  djchandler | 07/17/08
I did not know Apple could be as F*&^ as MS!  XweAponX | 07/18/08
Do you really know what you said?  vulpine@... | 07/20/08
Dream on if you think Psystar can get the computers back..  3dguru | 07/19/08
Dreaming on....  vulpine@... | 07/20/08
BAD MOVE APPLE  jchadward@... | 07/22/08
RE: Apple wants Psystar to snatch back Mac clones from customers ... and other thoughts  patbot | 04/06/09

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