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I had a critical laptop one day go belly up on a trip and could not get a local battery replacement. I was able to contact a supplier by phone and had one overnighted - charged that puppy and I was back in business.

Without this 'replacement' ability, my presentation and subsequent sale would have been in serious jeapordy costing me significantly.

Since that time, any critical piece of hardware (cell, laptop, etc...) that could impact me (more than an anoyance) I require a replaceable battery.

While I like the iPhone and the MacBook Air looks neat, I would never consider them for more than play toys.

My opinion - backed up by experience.....
Posted by: zenwalker   Posted on: 01/21/08 You are currently: a Guest | Members login | Terms of Use
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I would not even buy...  ju1ce | 01/21/08
Agreed  buddha2lotus | 01/21/08
I'll go one step futher  Crestview | 01/22/08
Cannot Replace, Cannot Buy  zenwalker | 01/21/08
Of course, one has to ask...  TechinMN | 01/22/08
dead battery  ldelorenzo | 01/22/08
Sony NP-FR1, NP-FT1, BC-TR1 Battery Charger  lly885487 | 06/18/08
It's all a matter of lifetime  s_souche | 01/21/08
cell lifetime 18 months?  xuniL_z | 01/21/08
18 months  s_souche | 01/21/08
But here in the US...  msalzberg | 01/21/08
cell phones  dhays | 01/22/08
cell phones  danmar_z | 01/22/08
Message has been deleted.  tkliem | 01/22/08
Images: American mass consumption, by the numbers  tkliem | 01/22/08
I'm guessing that a batter in the Air will require  James Quinn | 01/23/08
Talk about pulling numbers ....  ShadeTree | 01/24/08
that is a sad state of affairs  xuniL_z | 01/21/08
text messaging  dhays | 01/22/08
I think the problem lies in the kids, not the technology  xuniL_z | 01/23/08
Texting is extremely useful  TheGooch1 | 01/24/08
Why...? Not hard to figure out...  Wolfie2K3 | 01/22/08
I didn't see one legitimate reason in that entire post.  xuniL_z | 01/23/08
Battery Life  zenwalker | 01/21/08
I find it hard to believe however  xuniL_z | 01/21/08
Could be  zenwalker | 01/22/08
I meant in your heavy usage pattern you are above avg. user.  xuniL_z | 01/22/08
18 months?  patibulo | 01/21/08
Yes, because Sprint phones are POS...  jabster17 | 01/22/08
Contracts are longer though  voska1 | 01/21/08
THREE years..?  Wolfie2K3 | 01/22/08
Only part of the problem  none none | 01/21/08
What is the point of making devices mobile if  James Quinn | 01/21/08
Depends on your definition of mobile i guess  xuniL_z | 01/21/08
Ah but things have changed and continue to do so...  James Quinn | 01/21/08
The height of foolishness is to go out  xuniL_z | 01/21/08
So an extra battery is better then a couple extra must  James Quinn | 01/21/08
You are obviously being  xuniL_z | 01/23/08
OUCH...MY feeling!!! Oh nope just missed it..whew!  James Quinn | 01/23/08
Wrong.  xuniL_z | 01/23/08
It would seem that the claimed strength of of my desire  James Quinn | 01/23/08
As with any problem solving, one thing at a time.  xuniL_z | 01/23/08
Ridiculous  tikigawd | 01/22/08
I remember key's failing on keyboards and hard drives  James Quinn | 01/22/08
So now your over-the-top sarcastic paragraph  tikigawd | 01/22/08
Hardly my point is very constant.  James Quinn | 01/22/08
Not hardly Jim  xuniL_z | 01/23/08
It should be obvious that anyone using the Air  James Quinn | 01/23/08
Interesting.  xuniL_z | 01/23/08
Its having to give up the laptop to replace the battery thats my problem.  pmcgrath@... | 01/21/08
I also see that as a problem.  James Quinn | 01/21/08
Are you truely saying that...  xuniL_z | 01/22/08
Not sure....  James Quinn | 01/22/08
Laptop Lifespan  zenwalker | 01/22/08
How so?  James Quinn | 01/22/08
JIm, you can't be serious.  xuniL_z | 01/22/08
Depends on the kind of customer...  James Quinn | 01/22/08
For you it only depends on what Apple puts on the market.  xuniL_z | 01/23/08
Not buying one. Does not match my needs....  James Quinn | 01/23/08
Oh, so you only use desktop units? Because you've spent all day trying to.  xuniL_z | 01/23/08
That must be why with the MacAir ...  ShadeTree | 01/21/08
No only if you feel the need it's there for you...  James Quinn | 01/21/08
Why would you even need the MBA?  xuniL_z | 01/23/08
Going Mobile...  Wolfie2K3 | 01/22/08
narrow minded?  ldelorenzo | 01/22/08
And like I have been saying obviously the Air is not  James Quinn | 01/23/08
Laptop use is different  A.Sinic | 01/22/08
what about resales?  scripter | 01/22/08
Missing the point...  Wolfie2K3 | 01/22/08
Speak for yourself  notsofast | 01/22/08
Repl;acing battery is NOT "all a matter of lifetime"  sdc100 | 02/13/08
Another example of Apple's hypocrisy  sdc100 | 02/13/08
Laptop usability  dcdavy | 07/03/09
Apparently, most Apple Users Don't Care  jpr75_z | 01/21/08
Don't care or it isn't an issue  voska1 | 01/21/08
Why is this even an issue?  Yax_to_the_Max | 01/22/08
I know 2 people as well  Crestview | 01/22/08
Because Apple doesn't care.  tem.digital | 01/21/08
A little bitter?  DarthRidiculous | 01/21/08
Look everyone, Gerald has .02 to share...  tem.digital | 01/21/08
Take another bite of that Apple, GQ  GuidingLight | 01/21/08
Rather pay Bill Gates  Crestview | 01/22/08
Take a deep breath..... count to 10 and think about this  James Quinn | 01/21/08
At least the Ford Ranger's battery can be replaced by the user.  osreinstall | 01/21/08
I fix computer for a living and have for years now...  James Quinn | 01/21/08
You probably have an iScrewdriver.  osreinstall | 01/21/08
To each their own.....  James Quinn | 01/21/08
You got that right.  osreinstall | 01/21/08
What a way to go!!!  James Quinn | 01/21/08
I knew you liked that one.  osreinstall | 01/21/08
Apple would not go with fins Apple would strip away  James Quinn | 01/21/08
They eventually did away with the fins.  osreinstall | 01/21/08
That's fine but you've  xuniL_z | 01/22/08
Tool....no in as you are a but a function not form.  James Quinn | 01/22/08
Another thing is constant portability.  osreinstall | 01/22/08
Obviously not designed for that purpose......  James Quinn | 01/22/08
Hey, you said it was ready for the enterprise.  osreinstall | 01/22/08
Born and raised in Maine...  James Quinn | 01/22/08
Face it Pagen  osreinstall | 01/22/08
Disagree and no big. A lot of people won't be buying  James Quinn | 01/22/08
This is strictly high end art gallery stuff.  osreinstall | 01/22/08
Well strictly speaking if you use population and market  James Quinn | 01/22/08
Actually a market percentage is a good measuring stick.  osreinstall | 01/22/08
I'll take that bet!  James Quinn | 01/23/08
You would.  osreinstall | 01/23/08
If one is going to gamble go with the safe bet...:P  James Quinn | 01/23/08
There are very few safe bets.  osreinstall | 01/23/08
When you an elitist coOL is what matters most  D. T. Schmitz | 01/21/08
True cool is not worrying about well being cool but  James Quinn | 01/21/08
re: True cool is not worrying about well being cool but  M.R. Kennedy | 01/22/08
Dude!  James Quinn | 01/22/08
For a pagan...  Yax_to_the_Max | 01/22/08
Nope not for me.....  James Quinn | 01/22/08
the donglenator! (n/m)  lostarchitect | 01/21/08
Ahhhll be bachkkk  D. T. Schmitz | 01/22/08
I'm glad to see I'm not the only one...  kcredden2 | 01/21/08
So you haven't bought...  msalzberg | 01/21/08
Price  kcredden2 | 01/21/08
Sorry, you said..  msalzberg | 01/22/08
Vendors need to make products flexible  TheGooch1 | 01/28/08
What about privacy?  srobtjones@... | 01/21/08
If you're that concerned...  msalzberg | 01/21/08
I agree, but...  srobtjones@... | 01/21/08
Most companies want you to use..  msalzberg | 01/21/08
Fascinating psychology at work.  frgough | 01/21/08
Fascinating psychology at work.  gigglypuff | 01/21/08
So you'd be ok if..  tem.digital | 01/21/08
Because it's still a "choice"....  James Quinn | 01/21/08
I'm not arguing anything.  frgough | 01/21/08
Actually, the correct analogy would be...  bmerc | 01/22/08
No.  frgough | 01/22/08
Yes ...  fredsmith6 | 01/31/08
100% of my laptop users carry spare batteries.  bmerc | 01/22/08
That one hundred percent of your users  frgough | 01/22/08
Your statistics  laura.b | 01/22/08
Don't look now..  msalzberg | 01/21/08
yes but  srobtjones@... | 01/21/08
Actually, as I understand it  msalzberg | 01/21/08
Perfect!  Boxarox | 01/22/08
and that analogy  ldelorenzo | 01/22/08
You mean like iPods and Macs?  NonZealot | 01/21/08
i would never buy an mp3 player that didn't run on AAA batt's  Valis Keogh | 01/21/08
Not an option for me  Stuka | 01/21/08
It IS easily replaceable!! Read on...  Eriamjh | 01/21/08
What about the #0 warrenty.  Scubajrr | 01/21/08
Would need to check  Stuka | 01/21/08
Why would you care?  itguy08 | 01/21/08
If you mean warrAnty...  Eriamjh | 01/22/08
dont bet on it  ldelorenzo | 01/22/08
Who has never had a PC or mac hang?  frank@... | 01/21/08
Holding the power button for 5 second....  Stuka | 01/21/08
What about an iPod lockup?  d_r_p_ | 01/22/08
iPod lock up  fredsmith6 | 01/31/08
Batteries are important to me  No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/21/08
Which is why they come with the external power supply.  James Quinn | 01/21/08
Works only if your beside an outlet  No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/21/08
that explains it  jjarman | 01/21/08
RE: Apple and the war against the user-replaceable battery  DannyO_0x98 | 01/21/08
RE: ...user-replaceable battery...business opportunity?  TerryNorton | 01/21/08
So?  itguy08 | 01/21/08
Price is so not the issue  laura.b | 01/21/08
The real issue is  frgough | 01/21/08
That's not the only time to replace them.  ye | 01/21/08
Actually it is uncommon  frgough | 01/21/08
Actually, I do.  pcug@... | 01/21/08
Spare us the histrionics.  frgough | 01/22/08
You're full of it.  bmerc | 01/22/08
Wrong with me  frgough | 01/22/08
Specious argument  jgaskell | 01/22/08
Me too, and everyone I know....  baldwinleo@... | 01/22/08
Another reason for built in batteries  JunkMan1989 | 01/22/08
Thanks for the laugh  frgough | 01/22/08
Junkman.... those were Dell batteries  baldwinleo@... | 01/22/08
Hey frgough - fun to bash on Dell  baldwinleo@... | 01/22/08
Not as uncommon as you think  mystic100 | 01/22/08
Your attitude is completely uncalled for.  laura.b | 01/22/08
You don't have to mail the laptop off  frgough | 01/22/08
Of course  frgough | 01/22/08
You have to be the dumbest person on this board  laura.b | 01/22/08
Good grief  fredsmith6 | 01/31/08
Ahh! That explains it!  bmerc | 01/22/08
My point is that  frgough | 01/22/08
user replacable?  ldelorenzo | 01/22/08
Price is so not the issue  laura.b | 01/21/08
Can't speak to the future..  msalzberg | 01/21/08
Can't say the same here  laura.b | 01/22/08
wow, what a oaf must be  jjarman | 01/23/08
Sounds about right  fredsmith6 | 01/31/08
No MacBook Air For Me Because of This  CommSoft | 01/21/08
So what? who cares if I can't replace battery  cruzdude | 01/21/08
Simple Contradictory Example  TheGooch1 | 01/22/08
since some laptops won't work if the battery goes completely bad, i won't  wessonjoe | 01/21/08
Replacing batteries  TucsonGuy | 01/21/08
RE: Apple and the war against the user-replaceable battery  Slamaxe | 01/21/08
NEVER needed to do this  maxsnorkel | 01/21/08
Forgot to use our voices? What about your OS?  maxsnorkel | 01/21/08
Cell Phones.  tomam | 01/21/08
Cell Phones  mystic100 | 01/22/08
a few thoughts  jjarman | 01/21/08
Benefits of intgrated battery.  tomam | 01/21/08
While I'm not a mechanical engineer..  msalzberg | 01/21/08
thank you both, excellent thoughts  jjarman | 01/21/08
war on *blank*  jjarman | 01/21/08
THE PUBLIC HAS ALREADY SPOKEN ABOUT BATTERIES  tomam | 01/21/08
intelligent reply  jjarman | 01/21/08
I'll never buy a device without user changeable battery.  kraterz | 01/21/08
For your information..  msalzberg | 01/21/08
$40 ipod battery as opposed to $1 AAA's?  kraterz | 01/22/08
$40 ipod battery as opposed to 100 $1 AAA's.  msalzberg | 01/22/08
99% of watches wink  jjarman | 01/22/08
hmmm... not sure about this one  benitodarder | 01/22/08
Sorry...  StephG72 | 01/22/08
99% of watches  jimmac395@... | 01/22/08
need to be taken to a jeweler to replace the battery.  bmerc | 01/22/08
Yeah  frgough | 01/22/08
Replacement possible  mystic100 | 01/22/08
exactly! can't have it both ways  jjarman | 01/23/08
Jeweller to replace watch battery? Never.  kraterz | 01/22/08
It is all a matter of perspective  Nostredamus | 01/21/08
RE: Apple and the war against the user-replaceable battery  dwayne_hopkins | 01/21/08
that makes no sense  lostarchitect | 01/21/08
Since Apple sells...  msalzberg | 01/21/08
War? Who died? Did anybody even get hurt?  palmwarrior | 01/21/08
The Planet did--anyone hear of green computers?  klassman6 | 01/22/08
B/C Society is Myopic and Short-sighted  TheGooch1 | 01/22/08
I'm looking forward to the day  frgough | 01/22/08
Keeping old Laptop in Use As Secondary Home PC  eddzpc@... | 01/21/08
Not just important to those who travel  StephG72 | 01/22/08
RE: Apple and the war against the user-replaceable battery  shanedr | 01/22/08
No deal  adr5@... | 01/22/08
Replaceable Only  Warprints | 01/22/08
What?  Warprints | 01/22/08
Whoops  Warprints | 01/22/08
Thanks, Pagan Jim...  baldwinleo@... | 01/22/08
You are welcome  James Quinn | 01/22/08
That's a lot of work  John L. Ries | 01/22/08
It's a matter of warranty  mystiquesyst | 01/22/08
Replaceable Battery  sandysone | 01/22/08
Easy to replace battery  Bryan Dale | 01/22/08
Free is fine as long as it is really free  mystic100 | 01/22/08
RE: Apple and the war against the user-replaceable battery  mork452 | 01/22/08
RE: Apple and the war against the user-replaceable battery  not_IT_John | 01/22/08
Apple's appeal is dying...  Narg | 01/22/08
Yikes did I take a trip to back to the 90's!?!  James Quinn | 01/22/08
A nice diatribe but I think you forgot something...  JustAFreq | 01/22/08
Um did you read his post?  James Quinn | 01/22/08
RE: Apple and the war against the user-replaceable battery  phatkat | 01/22/08
No battery or no buy...  mikifinaz1@... | 01/22/08
you're new-fashioned. happy  james.faction | 01/22/08
the new trend is to reuse old stuff  stevey_d | 01/22/08
hardware-software-website partnerships != user replaceable battery  james.faction | 01/22/08
RE: Apple and the war against the user-replaceable battery  Masari.Jones | 01/22/08
RE: Apple and the war against the user-replaceable battery  Masari.Jones | 01/22/08
I don't use more than 1 battery  grail@... | 01/22/08
RE: Apple and the war against the user-replaceable battery  murp6566@... | 01/22/08
So you haven't figured it out yet?  Crestview | 01/22/08
Specious argument  jgaskell | 01/22/08
RE: Apple and the war against the user-replaceable battery  johnpall@... | 01/23/08
If you use it for years...  nrkmann@... | 01/23/08
There is a HUGE green advantage as well.  Bruizer | 01/23/08
Um, They toss them in the trash  TheGooch1 | 01/24/08
RE: Apple and the war against the user-replaceable battery  BillGates_z | 01/25/08
it boils down to profits  pikeman666 | 01/30/08
Yes, stupid stupid idea from Apple  monkeyman1140@... | 01/31/08
RE: Apple and the war against the user-replaceable battery  batterycharger | 02/05/08
Battery charger - Discount battery chargers provided at Achargers-battery.n  lly885487 | 06/17/08
Sony NP-FR1, NP-FT1, BC-TR1 Battery Charger  lly885487 | 06/18/08
Sony NP-FP50, NP-FP90, BC-TRP, AC-VQP10 Battery Charger  lly885487 | 06/18/08
RE: Apple and the war against the user-replaceable battery  cdnet@... | 02/12/08
RE: Apple and the war against the user-replaceable battery  lly885487 | 06/18/08
RE: Apple and the war against the user-replaceable battery  kant1781 | 07/05/09

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