You need to be better informed
tic swayback | 06/22/06
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My examples was ...
Adrian Kingsley-Hughes | 06/22/06
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Like Tic said...
John L. Ries | 06/22/06
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No logical thought process
leojohns@... | 06/23/06
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Abandon all logic, ye who enter here.
spmtrapr@... | 06/23/06
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Oooo, Big Bad Microsoft
rushnrockt | 06/23/06
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Nope
John L. Ries | 06/23/06
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Is it wrong for me to use the handle of my
swoopee | 06/23/06
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Perfect example
DanLockton | 06/24/06
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Ignorance of the law is no excuse
tic swayback | 06/22/06
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Ignorance of ethics is the issue
Bob G Beechey | 06/23/06
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Isn't it?
tic swayback | 06/26/06
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What's to stop them ...
Adrian Kingsley-Hughes | 06/22/06
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Nothing, as it should be
tic swayback | 06/22/06
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it's bad for your fiscal health, ya know...
yogeee | 06/29/06
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Xbox and Gillette????
Adrian Kingsley-Hughes | 06/22/06
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Razor business model
tic swayback | 06/22/06
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Maybe a better scenario.......
linux_for_me | 06/23/06
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I was wondering..
cchrsitian | 06/23/06
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Shelby
fromthehip | 06/23/06
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Sell Copies=Illegal; Repurpose Hardware=Legal
TechinMN | 06/26/06
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Part of the Problem?
wkeatonjr | 06/23/06
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RE: Xbox and Gillette????
Protagonistic | 06/23/06
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Not always...
OldGreyGeek | 06/23/06
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Government has the power to regulate....
tic swayback | 06/23/06
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"I keep seeing Xbox compared to Gillette ... I don't get it."
handydan918 | 06/23/06
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XBox vs Gillette
HiRezL | 06/27/06
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Lets try that again
mdemuth | 06/22/06
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1 out of 2
douglasids | 06/23/06
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US isn't the only place ideas start.
spmtrapr@... | 06/23/06
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Missing the point
tic swayback | 06/23/06
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laws of the road and murder law are seperate from ownership law
ksavage@... | 06/23/06
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The issue is not...
cchrsitian | 06/23/06
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That didn't make much sense
voska | 06/23/06
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Has nothing to do with the issue though
voska | 06/23/06
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Off-Road Mustang
HiRezL | 06/27/06
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RE: Lets try that again
Protagonistic | 06/23/06
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What if I take my car to a country where they drive on the left
nnigam | 06/23/06
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Off and Way Off
teeks99stuff@... | 06/23/06
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RE: again
JakAttak | 06/23/06
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I have to agree... but also a question
NonZealot | 06/23/06
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Software is different from hardware
tic swayback | 06/23/06
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You are wrong about the $100.00 laptop deal.
ShadeTree | 06/23/06
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I saw the current cost at $140.
mustangj36@... | 06/23/06
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My bad
tic swayback | 06/23/06
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call me paranoid, but...
yogeee | 06/29/06
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You are an idiot
EliteCommando010 | 06/23/06
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economics and law
geno_zd | 06/23/06
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Oh dear
tic swayback | 06/23/06
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Think !!!
Old Fart | 06/23/06
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Where to start??
birdofire@... | 06/29/06
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hello here i wnat to sell wat u needed for you
qtek | 07/26/06
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Sorry
John L. Ries | 06/22/06
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Once you sell it...
tic swayback | 06/22/06
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Exactly
voska | 06/23/06
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MS already heard that suggestion...
msolgeek | 06/23/06
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Correctamundo
PeterZ | 06/23/06
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Actually...
John L. Ries | 06/23/06
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Minor elaboration
John L. Ries | 06/23/06
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This may be a semantic point...
tic swayback | 06/23/06
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Is it ETHICAL to hack an Xbox?!?!?
Sabz5150 | 06/22/06
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Read the End User Agreements
EliteCommando010 | 06/23/06
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Where is this mythical EULA?
tic swayback | 06/23/06
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Did you actually read the manual
EliteCommando010 | 06/24/06
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Contracts have to be
lengua99 | 06/25/06
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Warranty
ferentix | 06/26/06
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Wow, interesting twist on contract law
tic swayback | 06/26/06
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And this contract is where exactly
spmtrapr@... | 06/23/06
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ETHICAL - legal is separate issue
Teran | 06/23/06
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Legal and ethical...pretty much the same thing
EliteCommando010 | 06/24/06
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????
birdofire@... | 06/29/06
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Ethical to Hack an X-Box?
halbertt@... | 06/23/06
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I bought it so...
KDN1480 | 06/23/06
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Why are you against free market forces?
tic swayback | 06/23/06
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Cheap Isn't The Issue.
gfisher@... | 06/23/06
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Use is at my discretion
davidr69 | 06/23/06
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Ethical, Legal, but maybe short sighted.
jimmy@... | 06/23/06
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Message has been deleted.
jrickett | 06/23/06
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Message has been deleted.
bdelyser | 06/23/06
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Message has been deleted.
Old Fart | 06/23/06
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Don;t confuse the business model with the business
PeterZ | 06/23/06
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Looks like it's unanimous...
jrickett | 06/23/06
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MS couldn't be held responsible
EliteCommando010 | 06/23/06
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WTF, over?
handydan918 | 06/23/06
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xbox hacking
jtweedy@... | 06/23/06
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Fair use is a copyright (e.g.: software) issue only
sylerner | 06/23/06
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Amusing, but agreed. After all, IBM lost its suit against Compaq for doing
HypnoToad | 06/23/06
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BIOS was still software, XBox is hardware...
sylerner | 06/23/06
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Have MS provide a Linux kit
davidr69 | 06/23/06
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And how many of these kits has Sony sold?
mustangj36@... | 06/23/06
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You have got to be kidding
nnigam | 06/23/06
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Hardware vs. Software
bdelyser | 06/23/06
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Quacks like a duck
cjcoats | 06/23/06
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In the USA?
bdelyser | 06/23/06
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The EULA doesn't remove ownership
voska | 06/23/06
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OEM EULA cuts you off at the knees...
PredatorVI | 06/23/06
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Doubt that would happen
voska | 06/23/06
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This doesn't track
Chad_z | 06/23/06
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Antitrust law: tying is illegal
cjcoats | 06/23/06
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Fair Use?
dpileggi@... | 06/23/06
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Are you feeling OK?
Reged | 06/23/06
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Answer ... you can't possibly be
Reged | 06/23/06
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Once I buy it, it's mine to do with as I please
critic-at-arms | 06/23/06
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Ethics VS M$
digital@... | 06/23/06
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If its possible it will be done.
michael_orton@... | 06/23/06
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Modifying Hardware, what about software
hpgb@... | 06/23/06
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Ahem
Dr_Zinj | 06/23/06
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It may be legal NOW...
the_doge | 06/23/06
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It isn't legal and never has been....most people don't get caught
EliteCommando010 | 06/24/06
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Sony are suffering?
ferentix | 06/26/06
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Answer to "It may be legal NOW..."
Ole Man | 06/29/06
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If I buy it I can do whatever I want with it
rdawes | 06/23/06
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Think again.........
EliteCommando010 | 06/24/06
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Hacking hardware in nothing new
burtoni | 06/26/06
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ANSWER
Ole Man | 06/29/06
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Ironically MS is behind the times.. STILL!!
Airwolph | 06/23/06
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CueCat
Yagotta B. Kidding | 06/23/06
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CueCat is a good example...
John Zern | 06/23/06
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Ya know what this "article" should be titled? Check it out...
yogeee | 06/29/06
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Give me a break...
LostViking | 06/23/06
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Reverse Engineering
rpmyers1 | 07/13/06
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Are you for real??
rupaa62 | 06/23/06
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It's also scary the other way around.
Laff | 06/23/06
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A phylisophical question
fromthehip | 06/23/06
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While I agree in principle still ownership is a type of
Laff | 06/23/06
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You miss the point he was making ...
Reged | 06/23/06
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You've got it wrong
arciemizelle | 06/23/06
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Hack a table
fromthehip | 06/23/06
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right, and the hand crack option for a power supply sounds interesting...
yogeee | 06/29/06
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And Your Point Would Be What?
greybeardtechie | 06/23/06
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Double Standard?
bmackie@... | 06/23/06
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Well said!
D. W. Bierbaum | 06/23/06
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Excuse me, I am a Linux user and I don't hack Xboxes.
HypnoToad | 06/23/06
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Wait! You're a Linux User
John Zern | 06/23/06
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Well, there are precedents....
Neutrodyne | 06/23/06
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answer, ... prostitution!
Reverend MacFellow | 06/23/06
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Linux is free?
arciemizelle | 06/23/06
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What rock have you been hiding under?
jgmsys@... | 06/23/06
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Why don't they just sell them for a reasonable profit?
ghastly | 06/23/06
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right on
kwakthisway | 06/23/06
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First of all, I believe the author grossly
mustangj36@... | 06/23/06
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Idiotic logic!!!
techboy_z | 06/23/06
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Hardware is not copyable like software
felix52 | 06/23/06
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If MS wants to underprice their hardware...
D. W. Bierbaum | 06/23/06
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Talkback needs an edit button: Furthermore.
D. W. Bierbaum | 06/23/06
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yikes, man...don't give them any...
yogeee | 06/29/06
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Questions...
ViRaL1 | 06/23/06
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fair use
IceTheNet@... | 06/23/06
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It's not ethics, but warranties
thegestunkenaraygun | 06/23/06
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Caveat Vendor
elliotn@... | 06/23/06
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Fair Use
Chrisreddy | 06/23/06
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It is completely ethical to hack an Xbox.
ShadeTree | 06/23/06
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digging deep for "ethical issues" aren't we?
code_flogger | 06/23/06
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Let's apply this logic to some other markets.
Ginevra | 06/23/06
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It's not whether it's ethical...
pueblonative | 06/23/06
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Re: It's not whether it's ethical...
none none | 06/23/06
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...then there's the DMCA...
ViRaL1 | 06/23/06
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I would think...
tic swayback | 06/23/06
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but....
ViRaL1 | 06/23/06
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Reverse engineering, not circumvention
tic swayback | 06/23/06
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Precedent for intended use
zdnet.20.muffin@... | 06/23/06
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Now that's silly
Anti_Zealot | 06/23/06
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Out of ideas with publishing deadline looming?
Gasman_z | 06/23/06
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morality & ethics
leigh@... | 06/23/06
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Major: Ethics
agarillon | 06/23/06
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It's pretty simple, really.
jgmsys@... | 06/23/06
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Some of you are missing the point ...
Adrian Kingsley-Hughes | 06/23/06
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It's not Fair Use!
tic swayback | 06/23/06
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I don't see companies using DRM going out of business?
Adrian Kingsley-Hughes | 06/23/06
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Open your eyes
tic swayback | 06/23/06
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I wish that would happen
Adrian Kingsley-Hughes | 06/23/06
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Give it time
tic swayback | 06/23/06
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baited
yogeee | 06/29/06
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Re: Some of you are missing the point ...
none none | 06/23/06
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What is the point here...
burtoni | 06/26/06
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THE REASON
Ole Man | 06/29/06
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Is it wrong/unethical to make use of free WiFi?
Adrian Kingsley-Hughes | 06/23/06
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very large difference there...
Monkey_MCSE | 06/23/06
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Nope ...
Adrian Kingsley-Hughes | 06/23/06
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It's still not the same
voska | 06/26/06
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if the person hadn't been surfing the web on a laptop
yogeee | 06/29/06
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Re: Is it wrong/unethical to make use of free WiFi?
none none | 06/23/06
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Group reply ...
Adrian Kingsley-Hughes | 06/23/06
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Blaming the victim
tic swayback | 06/23/06
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If only ...
Adrian Kingsley-Hughes | 06/23/06
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Trust in the market
tic swayback | 06/23/06
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The biggest danger
baggins_z | 07/05/06
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Voted with my wallet
ITGuy04 | 07/12/06
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Re: Group reply ...
none none | 06/23/06
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he had to go babysit Ed...
yogeee | 06/29/06
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Don't be so sure
baggins_z | 07/05/06
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INDIVIDUAL reply
Ole Man | 06/29/06
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ZDnet is paying you to write this crap?
A.Lizard | 06/23/06
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Lots of problems with this story
carlino | 06/23/06
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consoles
yogeee | 06/29/06
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Is it wrong?
fnash | 06/23/06
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Microsoft and ethical is an oxymoron
sboyce@... | 06/23/06
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Locked cars
lederhoden | 06/26/06
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You know whats funny?
statseeker@... | 06/30/06
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Must be looking for clues
beachdigital | 06/23/06
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Fair Use?
Chiisel | 06/23/06
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Cars don't have DRM!
nzamparello@... | 06/23/06
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DRM and the Business Model
ismile@... | 06/23/06
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Hardware: You Buy It, You Own It
bweir13 | 06/24/06
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XBox hacking
plumnilly | 06/24/06
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HOw far will a cheep computer go to run vista
not of this world | 06/24/06
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Spurious comparisons ahoy!
JMcCullagh | 06/24/06
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the answer is simple
giskard | 06/24/06
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What's wrong with the $100 PC...
s_gamgee | 06/25/06
|

I'm currently using a $100.00 PC.
Update victim | 07/16/06
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Orwell Would Be Proud
Sonictoad | 06/25/06
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i agree
not of this world | 06/25/06
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Why Not but Why Bother
remoulton | 06/25/06
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Is it ...Xbox
jamakfix | 06/25/06
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Heard of Ebay?
TonyMcS | 06/25/06
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why should inteded use by manufacturers determine morality of fair use?
wessonjoe | 06/25/06
|

Well Said !!! (NT)
Update victim | 07/16/06
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thieving fish?
reedjjjr | 06/26/06
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fair use of CD. etc
lederhoden | 06/26/06
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Your conclusion makes no sense
faadaadaa | 06/26/06
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rfkabob
ieeebob@... | 06/26/06
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Does any fool get to write articles here?
mawi | 06/27/06
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Do I own an XBOX or am I leasing it?
computerworkspro | 06/27/06
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EULA smula
computerworkspro | 06/27/06
|

The Ninth District Court of Appeals held
Update victim | 07/16/06
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You know.....
statseeker@... | 06/30/06
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Xbox hacking not right?
dgold1958 | 07/03/06
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group reply
dgold1958 | 07/03/06
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Hackin Business Model
Steve75 | 07/11/06
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Hacking Business Model
Steve75 | 07/11/06
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Are all these other companies ethical???
will_c | 07/12/06
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xbox has NO EULA
ITSa341@... | 07/13/06
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Gee, Adrian; this story is almost a month old now,...
yogeee | 07/14/06
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Sorry but...
uno@... | 07/15/06
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Silly Question, ignores the law
Update victim | 07/16/06
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