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Wow, some real doozies in your article.

---The thing with fair use is that there's a huge gray area between legitimate fair use (say, copying a CD for use in a car) and taking advantage (say, making 10 copies of a CD and selling them to friends at a buck a time)---

Forget unethical, your second example is illegal, and not fair use at all. Copyright provides the holder exclusive rights of distribution. Making copies and reselling them is not, in any way, fair use and is in fact copyright infringement. Making 10 copies and giving them to friends might be a better example for your argument.

---First, is it ethical to hack an Xbox or any other bit of commercial hardware?---

Abso-freaking-lutely. You purchase it, you own it, it's yours to do whatever you want with it. Why should a consumer be concerned with supporting the ill-thought out business model of Microsoft (or any other company). Is it wrong for me to repeatedly buy razor blade handles on sale that come with one or two blades because it's cheaper than buying just the blades to use with my current handle? Shouldn't I be doing what's best for my own interests, rather than making a charitable donation to Gillette?

---What about the $100 laptop being developed by MIT Media Lab for the developing world? ---

As I understand it, the only way to purchase one of these is to pay $300 for it. You buy it, and it pays for 2 computers to be donated to the developing world. It's still a great bargain, and they seem to have put together a business model that doesn't rely on the gullibility you want to enforce in consumers.
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You need to be better informed  tic swayback | 06/22/06
My examples was ...  Adrian Kingsley-Hughes ZDNet Moderator | 06/22/06
Like Tic said...  John L. Ries | 06/22/06
No logical thought process  leojohns@... | 06/23/06
Abandon all logic, ye who enter here.  spmtrapr@... | 06/23/06
Oooo, Big Bad Microsoft  rushnrockt | 06/23/06
Nope  John L. Ries | 06/23/06
Is it wrong for me to use the handle of my  swoopee | 06/23/06
Perfect example  DanLockton | 06/24/06
Ignorance of the law is no excuse  tic swayback | 06/22/06
Ignorance of ethics is the issue  Bob G Beechey | 06/23/06
Isn't it?  tic swayback | 06/26/06
What's to stop them ...  Adrian Kingsley-Hughes ZDNet Moderator | 06/22/06
Nothing, as it should be  tic swayback | 06/22/06
it's bad for your fiscal health, ya know...  yogeee | 06/29/06
Xbox and Gillette????  Adrian Kingsley-Hughes ZDNet Moderator | 06/22/06
Razor business model  tic swayback | 06/22/06
Maybe a better scenario.......  linux_for_me | 06/23/06
I was wondering..  cchrsitian | 06/23/06
Shelby  fromthehip | 06/23/06
Sell Copies=Illegal; Repurpose Hardware=Legal  TechinMN | 06/26/06
Part of the Problem?  wkeatonjr | 06/23/06
RE: Xbox and Gillette????  Protagonistic | 06/23/06
Not always...  OldGreyGeek | 06/23/06
Government has the power to regulate....  tic swayback | 06/23/06
"I keep seeing Xbox compared to Gillette ... I don't get it."  handydan918 | 06/23/06
XBox vs Gillette  HiRezL | 06/27/06
Lets try that again  mdemuth | 06/22/06
1 out of 2  douglasids | 06/23/06
US isn't the only place ideas start.  spmtrapr@... | 06/23/06
Missing the point  tic swayback | 06/23/06
laws of the road and murder law are seperate from ownership law  ksavage@... | 06/23/06
The issue is not...  cchrsitian | 06/23/06
That didn't make much sense  voska | 06/23/06
Has nothing to do with the issue though  voska | 06/23/06
Off-Road Mustang  HiRezL | 06/27/06
RE: Lets try that again  Protagonistic | 06/23/06
What if I take my car to a country where they drive on the left  nnigam | 06/23/06
Off and Way Off  teeks99stuff@... | 06/23/06
RE: again  JakAttak | 06/23/06
I have to agree... but also a question  NonZealot | 06/23/06
Software is different from hardware  tic swayback | 06/23/06
You are wrong about the $100.00 laptop deal.  ShadeTree | 06/23/06
I saw the current cost at $140.  mustangj36@... | 06/23/06
My bad  tic swayback | 06/23/06
call me paranoid, but...  yogeee | 06/29/06
You are an idiot  EliteCommando010 | 06/23/06
economics and law  geno_zd | 06/23/06
Oh dear  tic swayback | 06/23/06
Think !!!  Old Fart | 06/23/06
Where to start??  birdofire@... | 06/29/06
hello here i wnat to sell wat u needed for you  qtek | 07/26/06
Sorry  John L. Ries | 06/22/06
Once you sell it...  tic swayback | 06/22/06
Exactly  voska | 06/23/06
MS already heard that suggestion...  msolgeek | 06/23/06
Correctamundo  PeterZ | 06/23/06
Actually...  John L. Ries | 06/23/06
Minor elaboration  John L. Ries | 06/23/06
This may be a semantic point...  tic swayback | 06/23/06
Is it ETHICAL to hack an Xbox?!?!?  Sabz5150 | 06/22/06
Read the End User Agreements  EliteCommando010 | 06/23/06
Where is this mythical EULA?  tic swayback | 06/23/06
Did you actually read the manual  EliteCommando010 | 06/24/06
Contracts have to be  lengua99 | 06/25/06
Warranty  ferentix | 06/26/06
Wow, interesting twist on contract law  tic swayback | 06/26/06
And this contract is where exactly  spmtrapr@... | 06/23/06
ETHICAL - legal is separate issue  Teran | 06/23/06
Legal and ethical...pretty much the same thing  EliteCommando010 | 06/24/06
????  birdofire@... | 06/29/06
Ethical to Hack an X-Box?  halbertt@... | 06/23/06
I bought it so...  KDN1480 | 06/23/06
Why are you against free market forces?  tic swayback | 06/23/06
Cheap Isn't The Issue.  gfisher@... | 06/23/06
Use is at my discretion  davidr69 | 06/23/06
Ethical, Legal, but maybe short sighted.  jimmy@... | 06/23/06
Message has been deleted.  jrickett | 06/23/06
Message has been deleted.  bdelyser | 06/23/06
Message has been deleted.  Old Fart | 06/23/06
Don;t confuse the business model with the business  PeterZ | 06/23/06
Looks like it's unanimous...  jrickett | 06/23/06
MS couldn't be held responsible  EliteCommando010 | 06/23/06
WTF, over?  handydan918 | 06/23/06
xbox hacking  jtweedy@... | 06/23/06
Fair use is a copyright (e.g.: software) issue only  sylerner | 06/23/06
Amusing, but agreed. After all, IBM lost its suit against Compaq for doing  HypnoToad | 06/23/06
BIOS was still software, XBox is hardware...  sylerner | 06/23/06
Have MS provide a Linux kit  davidr69 | 06/23/06
And how many of these kits has Sony sold?  mustangj36@... | 06/23/06
You have got to be kidding  nnigam | 06/23/06
Hardware vs. Software  bdelyser | 06/23/06
Quacks like a duck  cjcoats | 06/23/06
In the USA?  bdelyser | 06/23/06
The EULA doesn't remove ownership  voska | 06/23/06
OEM EULA cuts you off at the knees...  PredatorVI | 06/23/06
Doubt that would happen  voska | 06/23/06
This doesn't track  Chad_z | 06/23/06
Antitrust law: tying is illegal  cjcoats | 06/23/06
Fair Use?  dpileggi@... | 06/23/06
Are you feeling OK?  Reged | 06/23/06
Answer ... you can't possibly be  Reged | 06/23/06
Once I buy it, it's mine to do with as I please  critic-at-arms | 06/23/06
Ethics VS M$  digital@... | 06/23/06
If its possible it will be done.  michael_orton@... | 06/23/06
Modifying Hardware, what about software  hpgb@... | 06/23/06
Ahem  Dr_Zinj | 06/23/06
It may be legal NOW...  the_doge | 06/23/06
It isn't legal and never has been....most people don't get caught  EliteCommando010 | 06/24/06
Sony are suffering?  ferentix | 06/26/06
Answer to "It may be legal NOW..."  Ole Man | 06/29/06
If I buy it I can do whatever I want with it  rdawes | 06/23/06
Think again.........  EliteCommando010 | 06/24/06
Hacking hardware in nothing new  burtoni | 06/26/06
ANSWER  Ole Man | 06/29/06
Ironically MS is behind the times.. STILL!!  Airwolph | 06/23/06
CueCat  Yagotta B. Kidding | 06/23/06
CueCat is a good example...  John Zern | 06/23/06
Ya know what this "article" should be titled? Check it out...  yogeee | 06/29/06
Give me a break...  LostViking | 06/23/06
Reverse Engineering  rpmyers1 | 07/13/06
Are you for real??  rupaa62 | 06/23/06
It's also scary the other way around.  Laff | 06/23/06
A phylisophical question  fromthehip | 06/23/06
While I agree in principle still ownership is a type of  Laff | 06/23/06
You miss the point he was making ...  Reged | 06/23/06
You've got it wrong  arciemizelle | 06/23/06
Hack a table  fromthehip | 06/23/06
right, and the hand crack option for a power supply sounds interesting...  yogeee | 06/29/06
And Your Point Would Be What?  greybeardtechie | 06/23/06
Double Standard?  bmackie@... | 06/23/06
Well said!  D. W. Bierbaum | 06/23/06
Excuse me, I am a Linux user and I don't hack Xboxes.  HypnoToad | 06/23/06
Wait! You're a Linux User  John Zern | 06/23/06
Well, there are precedents....  Neutrodyne | 06/23/06
answer, ... prostitution!  Reverend MacFellow | 06/23/06
Linux is free?  arciemizelle | 06/23/06
What rock have you been hiding under?  jgmsys@... | 06/23/06
Why don't they just sell them for a reasonable profit?  ghastly | 06/23/06
right on  kwakthisway | 06/23/06
First of all, I believe the author grossly  mustangj36@... | 06/23/06
Idiotic logic!!!  techboy_z | 06/23/06
Hardware is not copyable like software  felix52 | 06/23/06
If MS wants to underprice their hardware...  D. W. Bierbaum | 06/23/06
Talkback needs an edit button: Furthermore.  D. W. Bierbaum | 06/23/06
yikes, man...don't give them any...  yogeee | 06/29/06
Questions...  ViRaL1 | 06/23/06
fair use  IceTheNet@... | 06/23/06
It's not ethics, but warranties  thegestunkenaraygun | 06/23/06
Caveat Vendor  elliotn@... | 06/23/06
Fair Use  Chrisreddy | 06/23/06
It is completely ethical to hack an Xbox.  ShadeTree | 06/23/06
digging deep for "ethical issues" aren't we?  code_flogger | 06/23/06
Let's apply this logic to some other markets.  Ginevra | 06/23/06
It's not whether it's ethical...  pueblonative | 06/23/06
Re: It's not whether it's ethical...  none none | 06/23/06
...then there's the DMCA...  ViRaL1 | 06/23/06
I would think...  tic swayback | 06/23/06
but....  ViRaL1 | 06/23/06
Reverse engineering, not circumvention  tic swayback | 06/23/06
Precedent for intended use  zdnet.20.muffin@... | 06/23/06
Now that's silly  Anti_Zealot | 06/23/06
Out of ideas with publishing deadline looming?  Gasman_z | 06/23/06
morality & ethics  leigh@... | 06/23/06
Major: Ethics  agarillon | 06/23/06
It's pretty simple, really.  jgmsys@... | 06/23/06
Some of you are missing the point ...  Adrian Kingsley-Hughes ZDNet Moderator | 06/23/06
It's not Fair Use!  tic swayback | 06/23/06
I don't see companies using DRM going out of business?  Adrian Kingsley-Hughes ZDNet Moderator | 06/23/06
Open your eyes  tic swayback | 06/23/06
I wish that would happen  Adrian Kingsley-Hughes ZDNet Moderator | 06/23/06
Give it time  tic swayback | 06/23/06
baited  yogeee | 06/29/06
Re: Some of you are missing the point ...  none none | 06/23/06
What is the point here...  burtoni | 06/26/06
THE REASON  Ole Man | 06/29/06
Is it wrong/unethical to make use of free WiFi?  Adrian Kingsley-Hughes ZDNet Moderator | 06/23/06
very large difference there...  Monkey_MCSE | 06/23/06
Nope ...  Adrian Kingsley-Hughes ZDNet Moderator | 06/23/06
It's still not the same  voska | 06/26/06
if the person hadn't been surfing the web on a laptop  yogeee | 06/29/06
Re: Is it wrong/unethical to make use of free WiFi?  none none | 06/23/06
Group reply ...  Adrian Kingsley-Hughes ZDNet Moderator | 06/23/06
Blaming the victim  tic swayback | 06/23/06
If only ...  Adrian Kingsley-Hughes ZDNet Moderator | 06/23/06
Trust in the market  tic swayback | 06/23/06
The biggest danger  baggins_z | 07/05/06
Voted with my wallet  ITGuy04 | 07/12/06
Re: Group reply ...  none none | 06/23/06
he had to go babysit Ed...  yogeee | 06/29/06
Don't be so sure  baggins_z | 07/05/06
INDIVIDUAL reply  Ole Man | 06/29/06
ZDnet is paying you to write this crap?  A.Lizard | 06/23/06
Lots of problems with this story  carlino | 06/23/06
consoles  yogeee | 06/29/06
Is it wrong?  fnash | 06/23/06
Microsoft and ethical is an oxymoron  sboyce@... | 06/23/06
Locked cars  lederhoden | 06/26/06
You know whats funny?  statseeker@... | 06/30/06
Must be looking for clues  beachdigital | 06/23/06
Fair Use?  Chiisel | 06/23/06
Cars don't have DRM!  nzamparello@... | 06/23/06
DRM and the Business Model  ismile@... | 06/23/06
Hardware: You Buy It, You Own It  bweir13 | 06/24/06
XBox hacking  plumnilly | 06/24/06
HOw far will a cheep computer go to run vista  not of this world | 06/24/06
Spurious comparisons ahoy!  JMcCullagh | 06/24/06
the answer is simple  giskard | 06/24/06
What's wrong with the $100 PC...  s_gamgee | 06/25/06
I'm currently using a $100.00 PC.  Update victim | 07/16/06
Orwell Would Be Proud  Sonictoad | 06/25/06
i agree  not of this world | 06/25/06
Why Not but Why Bother  remoulton | 06/25/06
Is it ...Xbox  jamakfix | 06/25/06
Heard of Ebay?  TonyMcS | 06/25/06
why should inteded use by manufacturers determine morality of fair use?  wessonjoe | 06/25/06
Well Said !!! (NT)  Update victim | 07/16/06
thieving fish?  reedjjjr | 06/26/06
fair use of CD. etc  lederhoden | 06/26/06
Your conclusion makes no sense  faadaadaa | 06/26/06
rfkabob  ieeebob@... | 06/26/06
Does any fool get to write articles here?  mawi | 06/27/06
Do I own an XBOX or am I leasing it?  computerworkspro | 06/27/06
EULA smula  computerworkspro | 06/27/06
The Ninth District Court of Appeals held  Update victim | 07/16/06
You know.....  statseeker@... | 06/30/06
Xbox hacking not right?  dgold1958 | 07/03/06
group reply  dgold1958 | 07/03/06
Hackin Business Model  Steve75 | 07/11/06
Hacking Business Model  Steve75 | 07/11/06
Are all these other companies ethical???  will_c | 07/12/06
xbox has NO EULA  ITSa341@... | 07/13/06
Gee, Adrian; this story is almost a month old now,...  yogeee | 07/14/06
Sorry but...  uno@... | 07/15/06
Silly Question, ignores the law  Update victim | 07/16/06

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