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Protection in place on the Windows machine?
Wondering what manner of AV and Firewall , etc, etc, was in place? With all the security features supposedly available with Vista, it seems strange that a computer could get as fouled up as yours did.
Posted by: Jack Fuller   Posted on: 10/21/08 You are currently: a Guest | Members login | Terms of Use
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Protection in place on the Windows machine?  Jack Fuller | 10/21/08
One wonders if Christopher...  Sleeper Service | 10/22/08
I am wondering more about why a leading manufacturer would not deliver a  DonnieBoy | 10/22/08
Anti-trust. Remeber they tried just that  GuidingLight | 10/22/08
The average consumer could care less about the details.  DonnieBoy | 10/22/08
Well, you may not  GuidingLight | 10/22/08
Quite Frankly . . .  JLHenry | 10/22/08
2 years....  todbran@... | 10/22/08
Does it need to come from MS?  snaresV64 | 10/23/08
Yes, they should "Bundle" it.  Update victim | 10/23/08
"problems that Microsoft brought on themselves"??? You know better.  Cayble | 10/22/08
So what will the excuse be when  Linux User 147560 | 10/23/08
All you need to secure Windows is a good AV program...  NCWeber | 10/23/08
You know better?  silverbeard | 10/23/08
Forget Antitrust  davidr69 | 10/22/08
Yes, it was.  ye | 10/22/08
Right, I just can not stop laughing. An MS OS designed from the ground up  DonnieBoy | 10/22/08
Security an afterthought  davidr69 | 10/22/08
@davidr69: Security was built in from day one.  ye | 10/22/08
Security as an after thought? You could be correct  GuidingLight | 10/22/08
Was it designed for security?  Michael Kelly | 10/22/08
@Michael Kelly: It was designed with security and multiuser capability...  ye | 10/22/08
Correction  daengbo | 10/22/08
Windows Biggest Security design failure  deaf_e_kate | 10/23/08
@daengbo: The first version of NT was 3.1 not 3.0  ye | 10/23/08
@rtfa: No longer the issue it once was.  ye | 10/23/08
Ye  daengbo | 10/23/08
@ye - that only fixes the email vector  deaf_e_kate | 10/23/08
@daengbo: If you want to have a real conversation with me, don't...  ye | 10/23/08
@rtfa: Substitute "web browser" for "e-mail client".  ye | 10/23/08
Obviously  daengbo | 10/23/08
If that's so...  akulkis | 10/24/08
No, not bundling more stuff with the OS  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 10/22/08
You don't seem to understand the difference between...  olePigeon | 10/22/08
No anti trust violation if  Update victim | 10/23/08
It is...  Sleeper Service | 10/22/08
The bike analogy does not work here. The helmet has to be physically placed  DonnieBoy | 10/22/08
Kind of like  Loverock Davidson | 10/22/08
Yeah in 1995  Linux User 147560 | 10/22/08
Once again....  todbran@... | 10/22/08
Helmet laws...  pyrr | 10/24/08
Microsoft does deliver a secure computer.  ye | 10/22/08
Given the problems like Christopher's kid had, that MANY are having, it  DonnieBoy | 10/22/08
I bet his kid granted the malware access to his system.  ye | 10/22/08
And, the average user has to "grant" a lot of things all the time.  DonnieBoy | 10/22/08
@DonnieBoy: No they don't.  ye | 10/22/08
Hey, read this guys, he is saying you do NOT need any security software for  DonnieBoy | 10/22/08
@DonnieBoy: Why the need to misrepresent what I said?  ye | 10/22/08
He is compelled to do that, ye  GuidingLight | 10/22/08
Should have read further  voska1 | 10/22/08
That's not exactly true  voska1 | 10/22/08
Vista is more secure than XP because...  ye | 10/22/08
RE  s32432432 | 10/22/08
And this of course ...  MisterMiester | 10/22/08
@MisterMiester: Did you read what you referenced?  ye | 10/22/08
@ye - No let me explain ...  MisterMiester | 10/22/08
@MisterMiester: You really need to learn what you're talking about.  ye | 10/23/08
Go check Milworm or Metaslpoit then tell me that.(NT)  voska1 | 10/23/08
With UAC turned on ...  mwagner@... | 10/23/08
It's that stop and think thing  voska1 | 10/23/08
Lack of "NOEXEC" mount option  grail@... | 10/23/08
There are people that  Crestview | 10/23/08
My guess is that Chris installed the ...  mwagner@... | 10/23/08
Helmets are overrated, and a scam  Dr_Zinj | 10/23/08
Have you ever ridden a bicycle?  dinosaur_z | 10/23/08
Well it's a scam I will fall for...  Linux User 147560 | 10/24/08
I've been riding bicycles for 37 years  akulkis | 10/24/08
Even stranger that a major manufacturer would deliver an unsecure computer  DonnieBoy | 10/22/08
Even stranger is that you keep repeating that same line  GuidingLight | 10/22/08
Oh guidinglight, please tell us all how  lightingrod | 10/22/08
Blogger's solution - stick a finger in the Dike....  xuniL_z | 10/22/08
You are right!  kozmcrae | 10/22/08
Why do you always turn to personal attacks?  xuniL_z | 10/23/08
I didn't bother reading your garbage.  kozmcrae | 10/25/08
social engineering stil wins  Clewin | 10/22/08
Message Moved  kozmcrae | 10/24/08
Shouldn't matter  todbran@... | 10/22/08
Bull, just total bull  Lerianis | 10/23/08
I agree totally  Lerianis | 10/23/08
Not so fast  eMJayy | 10/23/08
Protection in place on the windows machine?  ator1940 | 10/23/08
It's the user!  sporkfighter | 07/21/09
any windows machine will end up hosed...  bbneo | 10/29/09
Total Nut Post  ravi16aug@... | 10/21/08
But, really, this is like buying a car, and then you have to go to one  DonnieBoy | 10/22/08
No. Wrong analogy  jorgebraga | 10/22/08
Wrong  Lerianis | 10/23/08
But, really, this is like buying a car, and then you have to go to one  carlleigh@... | 10/22/08
Avira and spyware doctor?  bjbrock | 10/22/08
And, this is exactly my point. People arguing about what antivirus  DonnieBoy | 10/22/08
Whcih is why Vista comes with...  Sleeper Service | 10/22/08
Were you paying attention?  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 10/22/08
Note the use of the words 'Porn Monkey'.  Sleeper Service | 10/23/08
And THAT is my point about Linux. People arguing about what distro.......  xuniL_z | 10/23/08
Do u research before commenting  ravi16aug@... | 10/22/08
Windows Defender & Avast!  mikefarinha | 10/22/08
Hmmmmm....  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 10/22/08
Forget it  Mectron | 10/22/08
Helicopter parent?  storm14k | 10/22/08
Why bother with all that crap?  storm14k | 10/22/08
And live with all that Linux crapware...NO thanks...  transposeIT | 10/22/08
You have that backasswards...  Linux User 147560 | 10/23/08
They saw you coming a mile away.  kozmcrae | 10/22/08
Total Nut Post part 2  ravi16aug@... | 10/21/08
You're right.... to a point  MikeyTheUnderdog | 10/22/08
I'm not so sure if the security suite matters  zmud | 10/22/08
Well your fav does not cut it on latest tests  ravi16aug@... | 10/22/08
You're right....what was he thinking...  storm14k | 10/22/08
I'm not sure whether to pity you, or laugh at your child-like statements.  xuniL_z | 10/22/08
Pity....nt  USTechHead | 10/23/08
Give it to him good!  Crestview | 10/23/08
RE: Hey, Dad...Can I have Linux back?  deaf_e_kate | 10/22/08
I think he meant...  ajole | 10/22/08
they should, to coin a phrase, "just work"!  Ole Man | 10/22/08
You're right  mrdatahs ZDNet Moderator | 10/22/08
He has to maintain a certain decor  Ole Man | 10/22/08
RE: Hey, Dad...Can I have Linux back?  ctcjim@... | 10/22/08
I dont agree at all  ravi16aug@... | 10/22/08
Why single out Windows?  InAction Man | 10/22/08
Why not single out Linux for a change?  ravi16aug@... | 10/22/08
You haven't used Linux lately, have you?  b.bob | 10/22/08
I have and its a configuration nightmare.  CrashPad | 10/22/08
Not so...  Stuka | 10/22/08
Really?  ajole | 10/22/08
You are absolutely right.  kozmcrae | 10/22/08
Crashed on the wrong pad  Ole Man | 10/22/08
But would he get paid for telling the truth?  Ole Man | 10/22/08
Keep dreaming  s32432432 | 10/23/08
You may have missed the boat entirely  Ole Man | 10/23/08
No Linux version of applications?  storm14k | 10/22/08
Yep, you can spot the fakkirs instantly  Ole Man | 10/22/08
I believe most people want.....  xuniL_z | 10/23/08
You said you were "through" with me, ZUNY  Ole Man | 10/23/08
Your forgetting Ole Man.....  xuniL_z | 10/23/08
How to lose respect - 101.  General C# | 10/22/08
But, this is a real problem. He installed Clamwin and Windows Defender,  DonnieBoy | 10/22/08
DonnieBoy just shutup and listen  CrashPad | 10/22/08
Ah poor Crashpad, didn't your mommy ever tell  lightingrod | 10/22/08
Ok, I'll let you in on a little secret.  kozmcrae | 10/22/08
How do you know how much time he can spend?  GuidingLight | 10/22/08
Propaganda?  davidr69 | 10/22/08
Me too!  Loverock Davidson | 10/22/08
Hit on Money Making Magic?  GuidingLight | 10/22/08
I'd guess most of them are false  Loverock Davidson | 10/22/08
Probably Microsoft cut out the ads  Ole Man | 10/22/08
Loverock - go away if you don't like it here.  Don Collins | 10/22/08
I think I will stay thanks (NT)  Loverock Davidson | 10/22/08
Don you have to remember ...  MisterMiester | 10/22/08
AND  cheapasskevin | 10/23/08
And this is bad...  kozmcrae | 10/22/08
Let me cry into your jacket... sad  Solid Water | 10/22/08
I'm sure the feeling is mutual  Ole Man | 10/22/08
Don't ready Paul Murphy then - sheesh you get really ticked/sick - nt  USTechHead | 10/23/08
Nattering Neybobs of Negativity  no_zd_user_name | 10/22/08
Ahmen!  Ole Man | 10/22/08
Please tell me how I can get some malware... PLEASE!  General C# | 10/22/08
Same here. Except I don't even bother with anti-malware software.  ye | 10/22/08
And if you do not run the anti malware stuff..  mrlinux | 10/22/08
It's simple  General C# | 10/22/08
The same way Linux and OS X people know they're not infected (nt)  ye | 10/22/08
So ...  MisterMiester | 10/22/08
Malware tends to assume administrative rights.  ye | 10/22/08
Any educated user would know something is amiss  Michael Kelly | 10/22/08
That's not my question ...  MisterMiester | 10/22/08
@Michael Kelly: Malware has been known to sneak in...  ye | 10/22/08
@MisterMiester: Windows contains malware to any...  ye | 10/22/08
@ye - You know the answer ...  MisterMiester | 10/22/08
@MisterMiester: And this is how it works in Windows.  ye | 10/23/08
You're too smart, ye  IT_User | 10/22/08
Dumber being "install anything and everything that pops up while browsing"?  ye | 10/22/08
Funny, I thought I was replying to your post  IT_User | 10/22/08
"Get" malware is not the same as "Unable to find malware".  ye | 10/22/08
Hmm.. Sure looked like plain English  IT_User | 10/22/08
@IT_User: Yes, it is english. So can I assume it's not your native language  ye | 10/22/08
You have to get past the ye FIGJAM mentality.  B.O.F.H. | 10/22/08
So...  kozmcrae | 10/22/08
I run defender  CrashPad | 10/22/08
LOL  storm14k | 10/22/08
If you're running Vista  Ole Man | 10/22/08
Wow!  s32432432 | 10/23/08
Oh you're so smart  General C# | 10/23/08
Just helping you guys out  Ole Man | 10/23/08
It's almost impossible to get malware  Lerianis | 10/23/08
RE: Hey, Dad...Can I have Linux back?  A Gray | 10/22/08
Won't work with Vista  Ole Man | 10/22/08
What about restoring a virtual machine?  dedrizen | 10/23/08
What is the name of the malware infecting the system?  ye | 10/22/08
In an uncontrolled environment it's easy to slip something by  Michael Kelly | 10/22/08
He's got dad doesn't he?  ye | 10/22/08
Well that would certainly work...  Michael Kelly | 10/22/08
Shrinkwrapped, approved, whatever you call it.  ye | 10/22/08
Agree with the first two sentences, not so much with the last  Michael Kelly | 10/22/08
Your argument depends on the sole use of repositories.  ye | 10/22/08
@Ye, again you are correct  Michael Kelly | 10/22/08
@Michael Kelly: The problem is the software these people are...  ye | 10/22/08
@ Ye, the repository MAY have everything they need  Michael Kelly | 10/22/08
@Michael Kelly: It's all but guaranteed it won't have what they need.  ye | 10/22/08
@ye, yes that does help  Michael Kelly | 10/22/08
@Michael Kelly: Yes, I understand that.  ye | 10/22/08
@ Ye  kozmcrae | 10/24/08
One other thing...  Michael Kelly | 10/22/08
OK, make that two other things...  Michael Kelly | 10/22/08
Shrink wrapped software can have malware  mystic100 | 10/23/08
Neither does Vista  Lerianis | 10/23/08
Just how did he.....  zenwalker | 10/22/08
Something is wrong with that picture.  kozmcrae | 10/22/08
You could be lucky or have a locked down system  mystic100 | 10/23/08
Just surf the Web  itguy08 | 10/22/08
Irresponsible? Please  itguy08 | 10/22/08
RE: Hey, Dad...Can I have Linux back?  jjharriss | 10/22/08
They work.  ajole | 10/22/08
The Internet is a nasty...  bjbrock | 10/22/08
Install Dansguardian and Tinyproxy ....  MisterMiester | 10/22/08
Quit Torturing the Kid and...  CowLauncher | 10/22/08
RE: Hey, Dad...Can I have Linux back?  Loverock Davidson | 10/22/08
Do you have Bell Bottom jeans too ?  magcomment | 10/22/08
What do you mean?  Loverock Davidson | 10/22/08
Not quite.  kozmcrae | 10/22/08
Forgive him  cheapasskevin | 10/23/08
Maybe that's why  Ole Man | 10/23/08
Huh?????  todbran@... | 10/22/08
A tragic story of parental neglect  Anton Philidor | 10/22/08
The usual Windows fanboy response, blame the victim. (nt)  Henrik Moller | 10/22/08
When it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, chances are good it is...  ye | 10/22/08
Windows fanboys are not ducks.  Letophoro | 10/22/08
Victims are often victims from their own actions.  ye | 10/22/08
Parents have better things to worry about  Michael Kelly | 10/22/08
Don't you suspect that the parent...  Anton Philidor | 10/22/08
Given that this same parent  Michael Kelly | 10/22/08
... is asking for as much work as possible.  Anton Philidor | 10/22/08
I'll agree with you on one small point  Michael Kelly | 10/22/08
... small ...?  Anton Philidor | 10/22/08
@Anton  Michael Kelly | 10/22/08
"Use only that which works, and take it from any place you can find it"  Ole Man | 10/23/08
Are you a parent?  kozmcrae | 10/22/08
You have a flair ...  MisterMiester | 10/22/08
Sounds more like a formal education  Ole Man | 10/23/08
The attack vector has changed.  kozmcrae | 10/22/08
One of the reasons I stick with Linux ...  George Mitchell | 10/22/08
Another leg of the three legged stool ...  MisterMiester | 10/22/08
Wow! just Wooooow!  Ole Man | 10/23/08
Well...  wolf_z | 10/22/08
RE: Hey, Dad...Can I have Linux back?  phillipsm5670 | 10/22/08
"My oldest son, creator of flame wars"  Vadim P. | 10/22/08
How to insure responsible computing  John L. Ries | 10/22/08
So, it's a rally call for some Linux malware  Boot_Agnostic | 10/22/08
It's pretty easy to be Linux malware free, even if it existed.  TripleII | 10/23/08
Now, if Linux could advertise itself to gain mass usage  Boot_Agnostic | 11/17/08
Sounds like you need to see where this CHILD is surfing  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/22/08
Not all of them  Loverock Davidson | 10/22/08
I'm sure you do  Michael Kelly | 10/22/08
That's what I thought too!  stano360 | 10/23/08
How do you know that porn sites have more  lightingrod | 10/22/08
I recieved an email from your mom  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/22/08
Which ones have you been visiting?  B.O.F.H. | 10/22/08
The ones with  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/22/08
Whatever works for you.  B.O.F.H. | 10/22/08
I wouldn't know.  kozmcrae | 10/22/08
No shirt Sherlock!  kozmcrae | 10/24/08
That's why we use it at the office  Chad_z | 10/22/08
RE: That's why we use it at the office  s32432432 | 10/22/08
I DO.......  todbran@... | 10/22/08
You do, what.  s32432432 | 10/22/08
No, it's not. (nt)  ye | 10/22/08
We are almost all Linux  Chad_z | 10/22/08
It depends on what you do  stano360 | 10/23/08
The sad thing is I think he does. As do so many other fools. (nt)  ye | 10/22/08
You're just  kozmcrae | 10/22/08
Ex-freetard talking  s32432432 | 10/23/08
I won't join the slurs but . . .  stano360 | 10/23/08
It has been pointed out  Ole Man | 10/23/08
Really?  kozmcrae | 10/24/08
Re: That's why we use it at the office  JDWaySide | 10/22/08
Re: That's why we use it at the office  JDWaySide | 10/22/08
Re: That's why we use it at the office  kozmcrae | 10/24/08
I suggest that you kill the fatted calf.  reedjjjr | 10/22/08
RE: Hey, Dad...Can I have Linux back?  Linux User 147560 | 10/22/08
You gotta feel for the kid...  zeke123 | 10/22/08
RE: Hey, Dad...Can I have Linux back?  s32432432 | 10/22/08
You know.....  todbran@... | 10/22/08
I don't believe he does.......  Ole Man | 10/23/08
Cedega  zdnet@... | 10/22/08
RE: Hey, Dad...Can I have Linux back?  terrance.lacluster | 10/22/08
Bullcrap!!!!  todbran@... | 10/22/08
That's exactly what I was thinking about your response. (nt)  ye | 10/22/08
yes crap is was show up  Mectron | 10/22/08
RE: Hey, Dad...Can I have Linux back?  fdsdfsd | 10/22/08
RE: Hey, Dad...Can I have Linux back?  fdsdfsd | 10/22/08
RE: Hey, Dad...Can I have Linux back?  s32432432 | 10/22/08
RE: Hey, Dad...Can I have Linux back?  dptcreations@... | 10/22/08
Interesting thought.  Crestview | 10/23/08
Want to solve the malware and virus problem ?  MisterMiester | 10/22/08
This blogger does IT for a school!?!?!?!?  LiquidLearner | 10/22/08
RE: This blogger does IT for a school!?!?!?!?  s32432432 | 10/22/08
I assume that was a rhetorical question?  stano360 | 10/23/08
HEY! When it comes to bashing Windows....  Crestview | 10/23/08
RE: Hey, Dad...Can I have Linux back?  s32432432 | 10/22/08
RE: Hey, Dad...Can I have Linux back?  condelirios | 10/22/08
RE: Hey, Dad...Can I have Linux back?  jason@... | 10/22/08
Disagree - stupid users, develop for you must!  Dan the Digital Dog | 10/22/08
Nice, heated-flaming coment...  Grayson Peddie | 10/22/08
RE: Hey, Dad...Can I have Linux back?  tonymcs@... | 10/22/08
Thanks for the Vista update  Dan the Digital Dog | 10/22/08
Yes, Vista is there already. And no, you didn't need XP Pro.  ye | 10/22/08
I got a clue, and left!  Dan the Digital Dog | 10/22/08
You just reinforced that you don't have a clue.  ye | 10/23/08
I've used Windows longer than Linux.  kozmcrae | 10/22/08
Don't respond to him.  Grayson Peddie | 10/22/08
LOL - clueless about using Windows?  Dan the Digital Dog | 10/23/08
Unfortunately this is so common in these talkbacks as well as...  ye | 10/23/08
I guess we're very few of us...  Grayson Peddie | 10/23/08
Then you are  Linux User 147560 | 10/24/08
What would you say?  kozmcrae | 10/25/08
RE: Hey, Dad...Can I have Linux back?  jasonwheeler | 10/22/08
LOL... Imagine changing the OS cause he can't do a simple task..  transposeIT | 10/22/08
Exactly  ravi16aug@... | 10/22/08
I saw you too  ravi16aug@... | 10/22/08
RE: Hey, Dad...Can I have Linux back?  s32432432 | 10/23/08
I have 20+ years of computing experience  stano360 | 10/23/08
Don't like to respond to your nonesense  Ole Man | 10/23/08
RE: Hey, Dad...Can I have Linux back?  s32432432 | 10/23/08
RE: Hey, Dad...Can I have Linux back? - Protection?  USTechHead | 10/23/08
fyi: Donnie = frothy = Donnie...nt  USTechHead | 10/23/08
RE: Hey, Dad...Can I have Linux back?  Jim from NoVA | 10/23/08
The bigger issue is:  garydavis | 10/23/08
Great Blog!  chessmen | 10/23/08
RE: Hey, Dad...Can I have Linux back?  wraithe | 10/23/08
Windows might be better off in a VM  plutes | 10/23/08
RE: Hey, Dad...Can I have Linux back?  snaresV64 | 10/23/08
RE: Hey, Dad...Can I have Linux back?  mwagner@... | 10/23/08
If your life revolves around  Crestview | 10/23/08
"but even running Clamwin and Windows Defender"  sullivanjc | 10/23/08
While NOD32 is not free  Crestview | 10/23/08
Bad Parenting  aep528 | 10/23/08
Malware protection is the reason I switched to Vista  jreuter | 10/23/08
I have Zero problems with XP  Crestview | 10/23/08
You people ever hear of System Restore?  Crestview | 10/23/08
RE: Hey, Dad...Can I have Linux back?  bryonhowley | 10/23/08
Blatantly Misleading....  Narg | 10/23/08
Congrats and a suggestion.  TripleII | 10/23/08
RE: Hey, Dad...Can I have Linux back?  thrasher6900@... | 10/23/08
RE: Hey, Dad...Can I have Linux back?  gusstapp@... | 10/23/08
RE: Hey, Dad...Can I have Linux back?  opogon1 | 10/23/08
Here's something nobody has mentioned yet  zetacon4@... | 10/23/08
A Point to Ponder  Paradigm_Shift | 10/24/08
RE: Hey, Dad...Can I have Linux back?  jfreedle2@... | 10/25/08
Best joke ever?  silverbeard | 10/25/08
RE: Hey, Dad...Can I have Linux back?  xtrmgamr | 10/27/08

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