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It's worse than you think!
I'm in SO CAL. The market for good communicating and highly technical developers vanished back in 2000 with the .com meltdown. The guys from India and China are bright, but come on, business rules that are highly complex are missed when you cannot communicate them effectively. I'm pulled in 5 directions by 5 different clients each week. If you have 10 years+ of experience and were domestically born and educated you can work for almost whatever you want.I feel for some of these companies.
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It's worse than you think!  FireThorn | 10/08/08
The short term snouts in troughs caused the problem.  fr0thy2 | 10/09/08
students do react to the job market prospects  Professor8 | 10/10/08
LOL - dude you need help...but funny nt  USTechHead | 10/10/08
No thanks  betelgeuse68 | 10/08/08
I agree  vezamora@... | 10/09/08
I also agree  mr1972 | 10/09/08
I agree as well  croberts | 10/09/08
yup me too  onepersonsopinion@... | 10/09/08
correction of authors name  onepersonsopinion@... | 10/09/08
Sort of agree. Second guessing the market is fun ...  fr0thy2 | 10/09/08
Why not?  Caggles | 10/09/08
Let me guess...  betelgeuse68 | 10/09/08
Unfortunately, I completely agree  notsofast | 10/09/08
Smaller companies seem better  Caggles | 10/10/08
O.K. but...  mr1972 | 10/14/08
Sexism is sutle....  A contractor | 10/19/08
RE: Where are all the programmers?  null | 10/08/08
What he said...  rally2xs | 10/10/08
RE: Where are all the programmers?  zzz1234567890 | 10/08/08
What is "pay well" ?  s_souche | 10/09/08
RE: What is "pay Well"  Yensi717 | 10/10/08
I recommend this!  joemartn | 10/09/08
If your product is unappealing  Yagotta B. Kidding | 10/09/08
You're right, I should have chosen law school.  T1Oracle | 10/09/08
They've decided to Build Muscles  dascha1 | 10/09/08
Where do I sign up???  MikeZane | 10/09/08
Sorry, Dude  Yagotta B. Kidding | 10/09/08
LOL  fr0thy2 | 10/09/08
Face it the Seed in players are in this deeper than their money.  rtirman37@... | 10/09/08
Opening a can of worms  gravitron | 10/09/08
Agreed  DaemonSlayer | 10/09/08
Agree  rkendsley | 10/09/08
Correct!!!  dragon@... | 10/09/08
Maybe the company real name is Robert Half  FirstNLastN | 10/09/08
Boston and the surrounding area are expensive...  Anton Philidor | 10/09/08
RE: Where are all the programmers?  DaemonSlayer | 10/09/08
What a bunch of whining cry-babies.  wolf_z | 10/09/08
get a life  markbn | 10/09/08
From his perspective  TedKraan | 10/10/08
Are you a member of Sarah Palin's church by any chance?  IT_Guy_z | 10/09/08
Watch that slip  frgough | 10/09/08
LOL................I just LOVE pulling your chain!  IT_Guy_z | 10/10/08
So only corporate owners can be capitalists?  mr1972 | 11/04/08
Oh give it a rest  wolf_z | 10/09/08
Bravo  bmonster | 10/09/08
About the moaning part...  betelgeuse68 | 10/11/08
RE: Where are all the programmers?  adornoe@... | 10/09/08
Programmers don't "fit" corporate Offices.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/09/08
9-5 isn't necessarily "peak programming time?"  fr0thy2 | 10/09/08
if we only worked 9-5, they'd have a fit at that, too  Professor8 | 10/10/08
As I've been saying for a couple of decades...  Henry Miller | 10/09/08
ROI and a niche  j.m.galvin | 10/09/08
Pay more and remove the salary caps, and they will come.  T1Oracle | 10/09/08
I think there's a pattern developing here  Yagotta B. Kidding | 10/09/08
If they can't find programmers...  John L. Ries | 10/09/08
SO right!  ajole | 10/09/08
Why should employers  frgough | 10/09/08
Touche  John L. Ries | 10/12/08
legal magic tricks  Professor8 | 10/10/08
Back in the day...  zkiwi | 10/09/08
The age thing - experience makes up for coding speed.  fr0thy2 | 10/09/08
The answer of course  frgough | 10/09/08
Well, it's the age of the pioneers once again.  fr0thy2 | 10/10/08
RE: Where are all the programmers?  super_J | 10/09/08
Why would they be limiting their value to the company?  ye | 10/09/08
Good programming is an art, not a science.  Henrik Moller | 10/09/08
RE: Art not Science  medezark@... | 10/09/08
Please - Offshoring is What Happened  jpr75_z | 10/09/08
RE: Where are all the programmers?  alexander.guerra@... | 10/09/08
RE: Where are all the programmers?  george22301 | 10/09/08
Pay is still down after all these years  MyLord | 10/09/08
Besides, if they were really current  MyLord | 10/09/08
RE: Where are all the programmers?  zdwsa | 10/09/08
Get out of programming-for-hire now!  pccoder28@... | 10/09/08
RE: Where are all the programmers?  kE79qP | 10/09/08
RE: Where are all the programmers?  tonymcs@... | 10/09/08
RE: Where are all the programmers?  nate63179 | 10/09/08
Any particular reason you're witholding their name? (nt)  ye | 10/09/08
I suppose it has something to do with...  thomasmarshall3@... | 10/09/08
RE: Where are all the programmers?  betelgeuse68 | 10/09/08
Get Rid Of Windows  Alan Smithie | 10/10/08
100% agree.  fr0thy2 | 10/10/08
Doesn't have anything to do with it...  USTechHead | 10/10/08
Yay! Someone who understands reality!  Yensi717 | 10/10/08
RE: Where are all the programmers?  eclements@... | 10/10/08
RE: Where are all the programmers?  Professor8 | 10/10/08
RE: Where are all the programmers?  rverges@... | 10/10/08
COMPANIES: Put money where mouth is!  scott1329 | 10/10/08
Guarantees?  jtaylor@... | 10/10/08
$$$ # 1  sjbjava | 10/10/08
$$$ # 2  sjbjava | 10/10/08
$$$ # 3  sjbjava | 10/10/08
$$$ # 4  sjbjava | 10/10/08
Too Many Crutches  MichP | 10/10/08
I hear you MichP  betelgeuse68 | 10/10/08
one companies  cwallen19803@... | 10/10/08
One man's opinion ...  dinosaur_z | 10/10/08
They're in India, Brazil and China...  dinosaur_z | 10/10/08
RE: Where are all the programmers?  cfrancis@... | 10/10/08
RE: Where are all the programmers?  cimwest | 10/10/08
Same place as the geo-heads...  tshinnic | 10/10/08
There Is A Cure  rally2xs | 10/10/08
Unions for programmers? happy  wolf_z | 10/11/08
HELLO? HELLO?  mikifinaz1@... | 10/10/08
Yeah, hello in the real world  Joschibaer | 10/10/08
"Software Engineering"  betelgeuse68 | 10/11/08
"Software engineering" vs. "programming"  Yagotta B. Kidding | 10/11/08
RE: Where are all the programmers?  jarjohner@... | 10/10/08
Sorry to hear about your situation  betelgeuse68 | 10/11/08
You could always self-train and certify  wolf_z | 10/11/08
RE: Where are all the programmers?  unixman2 | 10/10/08
Learn a job once...  ticthak@... | 10/10/08
Fellowship  carrilion | 10/10/08
RE: Where are all the programmers?  jessiejames2727@... | 10/11/08
RE: Where are all the programmers?  sberr34039@... | 10/11/08
Capitalism 101  mykmlr@... | 10/13/08
What were the qualifications being sought?  gardoglee | 10/20/08
They're looking for work  Refurbished | 10/20/08
RE: Where are all the programmers?  Imwired | 10/23/08
RE: Where are all the programmers?  DataArchitect_MI | 10/24/08
Attention Employers  hrpuffnstuff | 10/30/08

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