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Complicated shutdown?
I will agree that changing the default power button behavior is not as intuitive as it could be and it looks like this will be improved in Windows 7. However, I have to wonder what is so complicated about the power button in Vista? There is 1 button to press when you are done using the computer. What could be simpler?

Now here come the legions of ABMers who are going to claim that the Power button doesn't actually turn off the computer and this makes it confusing. Are these same people confused that the power button doesn't actually turn off their TV, their DVD player, or their stereo? You are powering down these devices, not turning them off, just like Vista. And before someone claims that unlike a computer, you can safely unplug a TV without fully shutting it down, the same applies to Vista. The default sleep mode for a desktop is a hybrid sleep mode that stores a hibernate file and then puts the computer to sleep. If the computer loses power while it is in sleep mode, it will safely restore the previous session from the hibernate file, as if you had originally chosen the hibernate otion. So yes, you can hit the Vista power button, unplug your computer, move it, plug it back in, and turn it back on with no ill effects to the OS.

The hilarious thing is that some of these people are Apple apologists who praise Apple for taking away options because it makes the device easier to use yet they chastise Windows for not showing you Turn Off, Sleep, Hibernate, Log Off, Restart, Lock, Switch User on the main screen and instead make it available in a menu. Microsoft chose the default that is right 99.9% of the time and gives it to users in a simple, easy to understand format: a power down button just like their TV. Using Apple apologist standards, Vista actually has this one right and it is OS X that has an overly complex system.
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Complicated shutdown?  NonZealot | 01/07/09
More absurdities  NonZealot | 01/07/09
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The really big problem...  Information_z | 01/09/09
just to add...  Information_z | 01/09/09
The Vista Problem -- Arrogant/Ignorant Users  PMC-CON | 01/09/09
Arrogance My Blue Buttocks  XweAponX | 01/20/09
@Xweapon  ariesghost | 01/20/09
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XP driver support.....I agree it's hard to find for some users.  xuniL_z | 01/10/09
Thank you xunil_z!...  JCitizen | 01/11/09
Sure? anytime.  xuniL_z | 01/11/09
Haven't had time to go gaming yet...  JCitizen | 01/16/09
Reinstalling the OS...  bbneo | 04/10/09
Vista's annoyances fixed, et al  Tweaker957 | 01/09/09
True, but ...  escapepod | 01/09/09
I think it's a bit more than just bug fixes.  xuniL_z | 01/10/09
What's with the Mac, Mack?  DannyO_0x98 | 01/09/09
NZ - "Already Vista is less complex and uses intuitive icons..."  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 01/10/09
Wait until people actually complain before you argue with them  John L. Ries | 01/07/09
But straw men are much easier to argue with. (nt)  Fred Fredrickson | 01/08/09
It wouldn't bother me so much  Michael Kelly | 01/08/09
youre crazy, learn the computer first  billw1234 | 01/08/09
And some keyboards ( Dell for one) have a sleep button. (nt)  sjbinaz | 01/08/09
No name calling please.  POPPA G | 01/08/09
Shutting down a PDP-11 is easy  de-void | 01/09/09
Apple made it work...  fastboxster | 01/08/09
windows used to do that  billw1234 | 01/08/09
And does it correctly now.  sjbinaz | 01/08/09
Correct...  JCitizen | 01/08/09
simple  billw1234 | 01/08/09
Amazed...  Snarfiorix | 01/08/09
Shutdown Behavior  The_Quietman | 01/08/09
???  POPPA G | 01/08/09
Perhaps not everyone works the same as you...  msalzberg | 01/08/09
Well stated  sjbinaz | 01/08/09
Re: RTFM  The_Quietman | 01/08/09
I did not know we were discussing boot-up problems.  sjbinaz | 01/08/09
Paper Work reduction  POPPA G | 01/08/09
TechiesVS Geeks  POPPA G | 01/08/09
who praise Apple for taking away options because it makes the device easier  tmsbrdrs | 01/08/09
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If you then open the side menu, you get the following options on my Vista b  tmsbrdrs | 01/08/09
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Unbelievable  xuniL_z | 01/11/09
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Like flipping a light switch...  reziol | 01/08/09
Jesus, why not the XP way  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 01/08/09
Define shutdown  de-void | 01/08/09
Define shutdown  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 01/09/09
That's coz you and I are geeks  de-void | 01/09/09
Yea, in effect  jbaviera@... | 01/09/09
I disagree  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 01/09/09
Complicated shutdown?  mavr1c | 01/08/09
Here are the facts  NonZealot | 01/08/09
Fact check  tmsbrdrs | 01/08/09
Let's count the clicks, Zealot...  nix_hed | 01/09/09
One click?  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 01/10/09
Just my Thinking?  jbaviera@... | 01/09/09
the Power button can be set to Turn off  unifex_ | 01/12/09
Microsoft chose the default that is right 99.9% of the time  john3347@... | 01/21/09
You CAN change the default in Vista  NonZealot | 01/21/09
Shutdown was the least important niggle  V@... | 01/07/09
"Merely surface issues"  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 01/07/09
Sorry Ed. It was my own subjective view.  V@... | 01/08/09
Defrag - another downside of HDDs  Patanjali | 01/08/09
SSDs have their own little foibles.  V@... | 01/08/09
Defrag - another downside of HDDs Another activity that is ONLY require  tmsbrdrs | 01/08/09
Scattered file storage  de-void | 01/09/09
True to a point but not quite there  TtfnJohn | 01/11/09
SSDs  sancretor@... | 02/03/09
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Hey Big Sale...  Information_z | 01/09/09
Need a vote and bury option... happy  fastboxster | 01/08/09
I vote for that!  EdNetman | 01/13/09
My opinions  CobraA1 | 01/07/09
Seriously?  stano360 | 01/08/09
Home users that back up data.  Summersvet | 01/08/09
Seriously?  mavr1c | 01/08/09
My point exactly!  CobraA1 | 01/10/09
Burned Once - Never again!  shepherdm@... | 01/12/09
RE: What?  cnfrisch | 01/07/09
Re: What?  TV John | 01/08/09
A good chunk don't know the difference between...  fastboxster | 01/08/09
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Fixed in Vista SP1  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 01/07/09
Most likely ...  de-void | 01/07/09
Looks good  John L. Ries | 01/07/09
Do you mean "should require"?  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 01/07/09
Good to know  John L. Ries | 01/07/09
Actually, Vista already enables this scenario!  de-void | 01/07/09
I hate the Linux password obsession  stano360 | 01/08/09
There are good reasons for it  John L. Ries | 01/08/09
Linux security  chromeronin | 01/08/09
You need to check out sudowin  JoeMama_z | 01/08/09
For a OS that apparently suffers very little from hacks and attacks  tmsbrdrs | 01/08/09
Maybe....  apostate | 04/07/09
folder views?  eggmanbubbagee@... | 01/07/09
Still monitoring  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 01/07/09
Yes! happy  de-void | 01/07/09
Folder views - more than 400?  Bryan Price | 01/07/09
The folder view setting is ridiculous.  davidbuj@... | 01/08/09
Folder Views  Ross Snowden | 04/10/09
Snipping Tool isnt fixed still  ravi16aug@... | 01/07/09
Ermmm ... actually, it does!  de-void | 01/07/09
Thanks for correcting me...  ravi16aug@... | 01/08/09
Better still ...  de-void | 01/08/09
RE: Six Vista annoyances fixed in Windows 7  Helio99000 | 01/07/09
Not for me!  de-void | 01/07/09
Yes documents are usually fine - media and image not so much  Helio99000 | 01/08/09
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What the preview pane shows  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 01/09/09
Preview pane also shows  bruceslog | 01/13/09
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Sounds like you have major hardware issues there!  de-void | 01/07/09
Nvidia Card ?  Alan Smithie | 01/07/09
Speaking of defragger...  Grayson Peddie | 01/07/09
All moot with SSDs  Patanjali | 01/08/09
Wouldn't bet on it.  CobraA1 | 01/08/09
Hard drives once cost the earth!  de-void | 01/08/09
Filesystem defrags  chromeronin | 01/08/09
There's something very satisfying about seeing defrag in progress  georgeou | 01/08/09
Precisely...  Arun (sreearun) | 01/08/09
Yup  JT82 | 01/08/09
No Degragging?  lmenningen | 01/08/09
No defragging EASY...  ja4509 | 01/08/09
Linux Defragging  chromeronin | 01/08/09
too many negatives here  GiMMeABreak | 01/14/09
Probably one to many negatives  rtk | 01/14/09
I used to feel the same way  eggmanbubbagee@... | 01/08/09
With the rise of HUGE Virtual HDs, defragging is becoming important again  V@... | 01/09/09
I agree. Try jkdefrag.  davidbuj@... | 01/08/09
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UAC real painful for multi-monitor systems  Patanjali | 01/08/09
Oh Please...  wolf_z | 01/08/09
Lucky for you.  magallanes | 01/08/09
How about a list?  wolf_z | 01/08/09
In fairness it does...  Sleeper Service | 01/09/09
Those are applications...  wolf_z | 01/09/09
Not disputing that...  Sleeper Service | 01/09/09
Here are a few examples, wolf_z  zwayne@... | 01/08/09
with all due respect....  JoeMama_z | 01/08/09
What??  Kromaethius | 01/08/09
Go to...  logicearth@... | 01/09/09
Funny...  jasonp@... | 01/08/09
Sounds like Microsoft is finally listening  tony@... | 01/08/09
Docking Windows  lmenningen | 01/08/09
Windows is getting old: the defragmentation as an example.  MarkyGoldstein | 01/08/09
Defrag?  lmenningen | 01/08/09
Swell. Now CAN WE HAVE THE "RUN" OPTION BACK?!  j@... | 01/08/09
The main problem with vista  magallanes | 01/08/09
RE: The main problem with Vista  Narg | 01/08/09
FAIL!  de-void | 01/08/09
YOU HAVE A "RUN" OPTION IN VISTA!!!!  Narg | 01/08/09
You have a run away option for vista too.  rickroberts_mcse@... | 01/08/09
Well...ever heard of "cmd"?  jrbirdman | 01/08/09
Um...  wolf_z | 01/08/09
rotflmao!!!  bharatbball@... | 01/21/09
XP Is Obsolete  lmenningen | 01/08/09
The search field acts identically...  wolf_z | 01/08/09
You can have it in 3 clicks.  sjbinaz | 01/08/09
Still waiting for the new killer OS function  Telexer | 01/08/09
Shell Out?  lmenningen | 01/08/09
ugh...  Metronome49 | 01/08/09
um, Vista Ultimate is $320  Telexer | 01/08/09
Um, Vista Ultimate OEM is $179 on Newegg. (nt)  rtk | 01/08/09
I got $320 from the M$ Store  Telexer | 01/08/09
So buy it from the cheaper store...  Sleeper Service | 01/09/09
something I don't need or want  GiMMeABreak | 01/14/09
Still waiting for killer value  Chad_z | 01/09/09
RE: Six Vista annoyances fixed in Windows 7  juan.toro@... | 01/08/09
RE: Six Vista annoyances fixed in Windows 7  ramnet@... | 01/08/09
XP Is Not Better...  lmenningen | 01/08/09
Your new OS:  sjbinaz | 01/08/09
RE: Six Vista annoyances fixed in Windows 7  pietercmooten@... | 01/08/09
how about accessing wireless networks?  hansonjb | 01/08/09
Wireless Networking  xenophanes | 01/08/09
It's almost identical  de-void | 01/08/09
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How about direct transfer USB connections?  GiMMeABreak | 01/14/09
RE: Six Vista annoyances fixed in Windows 7  Madness80 | 01/08/09
RE: Six Vista annoyances fixed in Windows 7  saipeople | 01/08/09
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Get Real!  de-void | 01/08/09
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Changes...  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 01/08/09
Why Not?  lmenningen | 01/08/09
MANY reasons  de-void | 01/08/09
better fix  billw1234 | 01/08/09
But Wait A Minute?  lmenningen | 01/08/09
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Windows Easy Transfer  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 01/08/09
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On number 4  logicearth@... | 01/09/09
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They didn't fix the driver issue yet?????  morewines@... | 01/08/09
Which driver issue exactly? [EOM]  de-void | 01/08/09
RE: Six Vista annoyances fixed in Windows 7  thecreator@... | 01/08/09
Outlook Express?  lmenningen | 01/08/09
In Vista it is Windows Mail for POP.  sjbinaz | 01/08/09
Windows Live Mail is also an application, replaces outlook express (NT)  logicearth@... | 01/09/09
We are both right.  sjbinaz | 01/09/09
Try Windows Live Mail  logicearth@... | 01/09/09
RE: Six Vista annoyances fixed in Windows 7  shushu | 01/08/09
How do you *SEARCH* in Vista?  bbneo | 01/08/09
Like so:  wolf_z | 01/08/09
Search...  lmenningen | 01/08/09
Customizable  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 01/08/09
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RE: Six Vista annoyances fixed in Windows 7  eric@... | 01/08/09
RE: Six Vista annoyances fixed in Windows 7  doodaddyo | 01/08/09
"Vista will not auto-recognize a printer plugged into a usb port."  Sleeper Service | 01/08/09
Help yourself  beoz | 01/09/09
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WGA and DRM  gertruded | 01/08/09
DRM?  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 01/08/09
Gutmann, is that you?  NonZealot | 01/08/09
You missed a little something there, Zealot...  nix_hed | 01/09/09
Windows 7  tymiles | 01/08/09
Here  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 01/08/09
No progress Defrag  DonG43 | 01/08/09
SP1 broke my Dell installed Vista OS.  mietz | 01/08/09
I ran into that  wolf_z | 01/08/09
Lets Wait To Windows 7 Actually Gets Realesed  chessmen | 01/08/09
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In linux the last linux I ran was RH 5, I remember typing in the root name  tmsbrdrs | 01/08/09
Thats not what I was saying  NoThomas | 01/08/09
The misinformation is deep in this one  NonZealot | 01/08/09
Actually, Nonzealot in your speed to defend Vista  alaniane@... | 01/08/09
FTFE  anonymuos | 01/08/09
RE: Six Vista annoyances fixed in Windows 7  davesuff | 01/08/09
RE: Six Vista annoyances fixed in Windows 7  chromeronin | 01/08/09
I fixed my Windows annoyances permanently  schmandel@... | 01/08/09
Windows 7 is Vista SP2  rolnmrbl@... | 01/08/09
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#3: Arranging windows, awkwardly  laman | 01/08/09
Yep, you can do that too! happy  de-void | 01/08/09
#4: Unpleasant User Account Control  laman | 01/08/09
Not for no reason  de-void | 01/08/09
Open Control Panel causes UAC. Why?  laman | 01/09/09
Not sure ...  de-void | 01/09/09
Windows 7 and XP  laman | 01/08/09
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Some fixes for you:  de-void | 01/08/09
RE: Six Vista annoyances fixed in Windows 7  emmer@... | 01/08/09
Homegroup is fantastic  de-void | 01/08/09
RE: Six Vista annoyances fixed in Windows 7  The_Quietman | 01/08/09
Is Win7 faster? Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh boy yeah! happy  de-void | 01/08/09
Great  The_Quietman | 01/08/09
Wow!  de-void | 01/09/09
Again, Vista Sucks over XP  imaginemm | 01/08/09
Number 3  gbentley@... | 01/08/09
No surprise  The_Quietman | 01/08/09
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Dear Ed Bott - 1 question about Start Menu  jshewsbury@... | 01/08/09
Nope  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 01/08/09
I still can't believe  notsofast | 01/08/09
Microsoft...  Information_z | 01/09/09
And add more bloat to an already bloated OS is what basher would say (NT)  logicearth@... | 01/09/09
Agree - MS should easily include the code to do that  jshewsbury@... | 01/12/09
RE: Six Vista annoyances fixed in Windows 7  BigHead-BR | 01/08/09
No mesmerizing defrag a plus?  AySz88 | 01/08/09
RE: Six Vista annoyances fixed in Windows 7  philk949 | 01/09/09
RE: Six Vista annoyances fixed in Windows 7  philk949 | 01/09/09
Select first  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 01/09/09
RE: Six Vista annoyances fixed in Windows 7  msft32@... | 01/09/09
Still Waiting  cfostel | 01/09/09
You know one annoyance that DIDNT make it...  JT82 | 01/09/09
CTRL + SHIFT + ENTER = run as admin (NT)  logicearth@... | 01/09/09
RE: Six Vista annoyances fixed in Windows 7  cnieves@... | 01/09/09
agreed  rtk | 01/09/09
RE: Six Vista annoyances fixed in Windows 7  stenman@... | 01/09/09
Computers way to complicated  ericvhunter@... | 01/09/09
DONT be fooled into thinking Microsoft has changed its ways...  xunil skcor | 01/09/09
Are you serious?  rompca | 01/09/09
Vista is GARBAGE, and don't see improvement in Windows 7 and here is why!  serpentmage | 01/10/09
There is so much wrong with your post...  Sleeper Service | 01/11/09
How about making IE a seperate app from the OS  jimk_z | 01/10/09
Really?  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 01/10/09
Don't compare 7 to Vista, how is it to XP?  graywz | 01/11/09
EULA "DETAILS" please ???  zephs@... | 01/11/09
message deleted  JCitizen | 01/11/09
RE: Six Vista annoyances fixed in Windows 7  unifex_ | 01/12/09
That's a bug!  de-void | 01/13/09
RE: Six Vista annoyances fixed in Windows 7  unifex_ | 01/12/09
Smart UAC  melekali | 01/12/09
Secure desktop  rtk | 01/12/09
message deleted  RAMChYLD | 01/13/09
RE: Six Vista annoyances fixed in Windows 7  RAMChYLD | 01/13/09
If you don't like DRM, then complain to the Government/DMCA  de-void | 01/13/09
uh huh  atari8bit@... | 01/17/09
MS DRM's only what it wants?  rtk | 01/17/09
MS may not be the interested party..  JCitizen | 01/22/09
Define DRM infested hardware  de-void | 01/27/09
The problem is...  JCitizen | 02/01/09
Sorry, you're wrong about "hardware-based DRM"  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 02/02/09
Ed maybe if you had the trouble I've had...  JCitizen | 02/02/09
I have three CableCARD tuners  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 02/02/09
I still standby my original statements...  JCitizen | 02/05/09
So don't watch encrypted content  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 02/06/09
Thanks for the input...  JCitizen | 02/07/09
7 is faster - at not impressing me  mike21b@... | 01/13/09
Still Using Vista - Then try these tweaks  PCWizKid | 01/13/09
RE: Six Vista annoyances fixed in Windows 7  atari8bit@... | 01/17/09
You forgot to include "Program Compatibility Assistant"  XweAponX | 01/20/09
To a certain point...  JCitizen | 01/22/09
RE: Six Vista annoyances fixed in Windows 7  megamanx | 01/23/09
RE: Six Vista annoyances fixed in Windows 7  d,duffer@... | 01/26/09
RE: Six Vista annoyances fixed in Windows 7  michael.glacken@... | 01/26/09
RE: Six Vista annoyances fixed in Windows 7  Juergen Hartl | 01/30/09
RE: Six Vista annoyances fixed in Windows 7  djkwpd82@... | 02/01/09
"Let Me Choose": What really distinguishes MS from Apple.  KaatjeR | 04/07/09

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