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My understanding is that Snow Leopard will be Intel-only. That means that folks with PPC-based Macs won't be able to upgrade. The original point here was that it's true in the Mac world as well as the Windows world: eventually, older hardware and software gets abandoned.

So, I don't think your point is perfectly clear.

Incidentally, yes, you can get decent Mac hardware for decent prices. Used. Off eBay. Or refurbed. Or, every very now and then, discounted (because of course Apple controls Mac pricing with an iron fist). However, you can't get decent _new_ systems for much less than $1000, as you can with Windows PCs--where you can easily get a decent system for $500, or even less.

Yes, there IS a Mac premium, and in fact, that's on purpose. It's Apple's entire strategy--position themselves as the high-priced, superior product. And they'd be fools to do anything different.
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