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Couldnt they have
reported the IE8 user agent as separate from the past IE browsers? Since it IS standards compliant, the page should display the way it would for the rest of the browsers: standards compliant.

I'm trying to think of any negative effects here... but...
Posted by: isulzer   Posted on: 12/21/08 You are currently: a Guest | Members login | Terms of Use
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Couldnt they have  isulzer | 12/21/08
But MS used to encourage their customers to use IE-only code...  Mikael_z | 12/22/08
Use IE-only code! When and where?  Patanjali | 12/23/08
Kids creating web sites, MS scores own goal.  fr0thy2 | 12/25/08
Dream on  Patanjali | 12/26/08
MS is a real threat to the free world  Mikael_z | 12/27/08
A threat to the free world?  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 12/27/08
@Bott: Cool as a cucumber  Mikael_z | 12/28/08
... as broken as in other browsers  pico_D | 12/22/08
Most sites have casing for IE.  isulzer | 12/22/08
Why didn't they provide a compatibility mode back then?  Patanjali | 12/23/08
"Arrogance is death in the marketplace" ...  fr0thy2 | 12/25/08
Offhand insult and dismissal WILL NOT get standards adopted  Patanjali | 12/26/08
How about...  Mikael_z | 12/27/08
But not the situation now!  Patanjali | 12/27/08
But indeed the situation now!  Mikael_z | 12/27/08
Where do you get those statistics?  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 12/27/08
@Bott: Lies, damn lies and statistics  Mikael_z | 12/28/08
Read the entire page...  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 12/28/08
@Bott: Exactly my point  Mikael_z | 12/28/08
IE8 compatible with FF?  BosqueBill | 12/21/08
Yes it will. IE7 and IE8 can be installed with Virtual PC  John Ericson | 12/21/08
Yes...  MyBlueRex | 12/21/08
No, it's (mostly) Ed who is getting the "pointy stick" treament.  Zogg | 12/22/08
No, that is merely one option  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 12/22/08
And what's your excuse for not fixing YOUR site?  Zogg | 12/22/08
Compliance isn't necessarily the issue  Timpraetor | 12/22/08
People getting laid off...  fr0thy2 | 12/25/08
The past comes back to haunt...  mystic100 | 12/23/08
Exactly  macadam | 12/23/08
Great Post!  chessmen | 12/23/08
They're aiming at people who don't really understand ...  fr0thy2 | 12/21/08
Feasable for large sites with lots of interaction points?  Patanjali | 12/23/08
It is more cost effective to K.I.S.S.  fr0thy2 | 12/25/08
Always effort to minimise expenses by configuration, not programming  Patanjali | 12/26/08
MS is dreaming  P. Douglas | 12/21/08
or the web site creators could take the 5 minutes...  doctorSpoc | 12/21/08
MS could alternately default IE8 to compatibility mode ...  P. Douglas | 12/21/08
"old sites won't have to lift a finger"  deaf_e_kate | 12/22/08
Lazy?  Patanjali | 12/24/08
Is there a higher priority than staying in business?  mystic100 | 12/24/08
Depends upon the exposure AND the risk associated with it  Patanjali | 12/25/08
Depends upon the exposure AND the risk associated with it  Patanjali | 12/25/08
Optional switch to automatically go compatible  Patanjali | 12/24/08
That's exactly how it works  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 12/24/08
The last then seems to cover all bases (for the user)  Patanjali | 12/25/08
Agreed - our CSS experts swear at IE6 on a daily basis.  Zogg | 12/22/08
Why should they have too??  nickdangerthirdi@... | 12/22/08
5 minutes?  Patanjali | 12/23/08
Absolutely no idea.  CobraA1 | 12/27/08
You're overlooking the costs of IE6 compatibility  T1Oracle | 12/22/08
Indeed... it is a pain... why dont we all just...  moralesjl15@... | 01/13/09
One line of code is "Good luck!"?  CobraA1 | 12/27/08
<!--  JGNR | 12/22/08
For MS fanboiz and shills only! [NT]  Mikael_z | 12/22/08
you are just a troll here  wellofsouls | 01/16/09
And if you write standards-compliant code...  fairportfan | 12/22/08
Wrong  theoxygenthief | 12/23/08
Fine if you know where it is AND have access to it  Patanjali | 12/23/08
Web standards "moving so fast"?  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 12/24/08
New capabilities have not been trivial  Patanjali | 12/25/08
sigh . . .  CobraA1 | 12/27/08
Most web standards are pretty stable  mystic100 | 12/24/08
No doubt many have dragged their heels  Patanjali | 12/25/08
A bit confused?  CobraA1 | 12/27/08
Sounds like you've got some poor middleware.  CobraA1 | 12/27/08
Wrong Title  deaf_e_kate | 12/22/08
Or "What sites will NOT make IE look bad?"  Mikael_z | 12/22/08
Firefox? Secure? Really?  JRElliott | 12/22/08
And Bit9's credibility is.....  akulkis | 12/22/08
Vulnerabilities do not equal exploits  mystic100 | 12/24/08
Sounds like head in the sand philosophy to be  Patanjali | 12/26/08
No, just reality  mystic100 | 12/29/08
Myoptic consumer view  Patanjali | 12/23/08
Hear Hear...  nizuse | 12/22/08
The Beta Conundrum  DannyO_0x98 | 12/22/08
No it isn't. You don't understand the issue  deaf_e_kate | 12/22/08
The standard is useless...  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 12/23/08
Twisting it won't make you right  Patanjali | 12/23/08
Hate to tell ya this, but...  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 12/23/08
Too many browsers!!  jscott418 | 12/22/08
Too few browsers!!  Mikael_z | 12/22/08
To many choices is counter productive  Patanjali | 12/23/08
Too many browsers  DNSB | 12/22/08
RE: Which sites will make the IE8 Compatibility Hall of Shame?  WL80 | 12/22/08
Even ZDNet isn't flawless...  TyreeComix | 12/22/08
Beta 2 or RC1?  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 12/22/08
How compliant is IE8 claimed to be?  V@... | 12/22/08
So you are suggesting that sites "Emulate IE7"?  Zogg | 12/22/08
I will  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 12/22/08
Don't change your site - get MS to change the IE8 Identifier  Timpraetor | 12/22/08
Release candidate  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 12/22/08
Don't change the identifier - change the shortcut on your desktop  M.W.H. | 12/22/08
Should have coded it to the W3C standards the first time  deaf_e_kate | 12/22/08
Those standards didn't exist then  PB_z | 12/22/08
If Apple advised/recommended that all web site  deaf_e_kate | 12/22/08
RE: Which sites will make the IE8 Compatibility Hall of Shame?  varick | 12/22/08
No offense  harrisharris | 12/22/08
Simple answer  jmattioni@... | 12/22/08
If ms would use the web standards instead of  fun@... | 12/22/08
RE: Which sites will make the IE8 Compatibility Hall of Shame?  dhays | 12/22/08
RE: Which sites will further illustrate how bad IE incompatbilities were  Timpraetor | 12/22/08
RE: Which sites will make the IE8 Compatibility Hall of Shame?  Metronome49 | 12/22/08
It's not the websites fault..........  Alan Smithie | 12/22/08
FireFox  dhays | 12/22/08
Please expand  Alan Smithie | 12/22/08
You're using an app that only works in IE6?  akulkis | 12/22/08
This does indeed suckith muchith  Narg | 12/22/08
And therein lay the problem  Timpraetor | 12/22/08
And break a million add-ins  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 12/22/08
No, corporate sites are locked into IE6  deaf_e_kate | 12/22/08
Not all sites are  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 12/22/08
Locked in to IE  DNSB | 12/22/08
Honest answer ...  Timpraetor | 12/22/08
Unintentionally humourous?  DNSB | 12/22/08
RE: Which sites will make the IE8 Compatibility Hall of Shame?  merlins.cauldron@... | 12/22/08
RE: Which sites will make the IE8 Compatibility Hall of Shame?  code_flogger | 12/22/08
WTF? [nt]  Timpraetor | 12/22/08
RE: Which sites will make the IE8 Compatibility Hall of Shame?  MichaelWells | 12/22/08
You've got it backwards  bbaston@... | 12/22/08
Actually, MS does set WWW standards for some  ejhonda | 12/22/08
RE: Which sites will make the IE8 Compatibility Hall of Shame?  alresave@... | 12/22/08
Exactly  Timpraetor | 12/22/08
Why an "IE8 Compatibility Hall of Shame" but no "W3C Hall of Shame?"?  JDThompson | 12/22/08
We'll see - money talks  mystic100 | 12/23/08
What will make it 40-50%?  Patanjali | 12/24/08
It doesn't have to go that far  mystic100 | 12/24/08
Internet only part of the issue  Patanjali | 12/25/08
Valid point  Patanjali | 12/24/08
Isn't this backwards?  Robert Crocker | 12/22/08
Close, but no cigar, Ed. It's all about standards!  dacap06@... | 12/22/08
IE8 does support standards  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 12/22/08
So you're saying IE8 breaks IE-specific add-ins?  Timpraetor | 12/22/08
Indeed it does! But, well ...  dacap06@... | 12/22/08
cannot afford to alienate anyone  mystic100 | 12/23/08
Programming to a browser...  jasonp@... | 12/22/08
Standards that have their own clue-sticks, no less.  Zogg | 12/22/08
proper way of handling IEs 6, 7 and 8  nixnet1 | 12/22/08
The worst part...  Zogg | 12/22/08
Sigh  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 12/22/08
Yup, the page is forcibly rendered in compatibility mode.  Zogg | 12/22/08
RE: Which sites will make the IE8 Compatibility Hall of Shame?  zclayton2 | 12/22/08
Yes, that's my fix  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 12/22/08
But not merely as lame  akulkis | 12/22/08
Is it that difficult?  Mitch 74 | 12/23/08
I don't know how difficult  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 12/23/08
RE: Which sites will make the IE8 Compatibility Hall of Shame?  marc_90292@... | 12/22/08
You might want to do some reading  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 12/22/08
not quite, but almost  deaf_e_kate | 12/23/08
RE: Which sites will make the IE8 Compatibility Hall of Shame?  lundp@... | 12/22/08
IE are you serious?  Ravensnest | 12/22/08
Simple  akulkis | 12/22/08
ie 8 = vista of browsers  hansonjb | 12/22/08
Just desserts for years of shoddy business practices  akulkis | 12/22/08
Follow the links  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 12/23/08
IE 8 Compatability - Isn't this backwards?  keisys | 12/22/08
RE: Which sites will make the IE8 Compatibility Hall of Shame?  keisys | 12/22/08
Which sites will make the IE8 Compatibility Hall of Shame?  DNSB | 12/22/08
I think it's probably because...  Sleeper Service | 12/23/08
RE: Which sites will make the IE8 Compatibility Hall of Shame?  drskywalker | 12/22/08
The problem is IE Alternative Content  Timpraetor | 12/22/08
IE is dying...  donnie126_2002@... | 12/22/08
RE: Which sites will make the IE8 Compatibility Hall of Shame?  Metronome49 | 12/22/08
RE: Which sites will make the IE8 Compatibility Hall of Shame?  Update victim | 12/22/08
Uh, dude?  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 12/22/08
No...  Metronome49 | 12/23/08
In which world do you live?  Patanjali | 12/24/08
RE: Which sites will make the IE8 Compatibility Hall of Shame?  Mike.Moller@... | 12/22/08
I just hope IE8 comes with an Windows XP version. nt  T1Oracle | 12/22/08
It does (nt)  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 12/22/08
As an Opera user...  fairportfan | 12/22/08
IETab for firefox  rebelxhardcore | 01/02/09
RE: Which sites will make the IE8 Compatibility Hall of Shame?  dmorand@... | 12/22/08
RE: Which sites will make the IE8 Compatibility Hall of Shame?  jimmy333333 | 12/22/08
This will be boon to Opera users...  chrome_slinky@... | 12/23/08
Ideology is NOT more important than usability to most users  Patanjali | 12/27/08
RE: Which sites will make the IE8 Compatibility Hall of Shame?  oedenfield | 12/23/08
Sigh  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 12/23/08
All Hail To Microsoft!  nizuse | 12/23/08
Ideologically blinkered  Patanjali | 12/24/08
Too busy for what? Losing potential business  mystic100 | 12/29/08
a band-aid will not fix the problem  mystic100 | 12/23/08
DUMP IE8  dfolk2 | 12/23/08
Uh, dude?  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 12/23/08
An improvement  dfolk2 | 12/23/08
IE8 IS web standards compliant  Patanjali | 12/27/08
I Have Dumped Internet Explorer  chessmen | 12/23/08
Cheat  mbkendrick | 12/23/08
Read the rest of this comment thread please  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 12/23/08
RE: Which sites will make the IE8 Compatibility Hall of Shame?  duke_z | 12/23/08
ARE YOU KIDDING?  jeff@... | 12/23/08
Read my lips user agent tag  mkill | 12/23/08
Microsoft have used sneaky manuvers to extort the public so long  Ole Man | 12/23/08
Bill has his problems  BALTHOR | 12/24/08
Useability is highest priority  Patanjali | 12/25/08
Websites ought to be backward-compatible  XweAponX | 12/25/08
Ol' coders should have been using WWW standards  Boot_Agnostic | 12/25/08
Standards are not static; Blame is shared  Patanjali | 12/26/08
Rubbish  Mikael_z | 12/27/08
All were lousy and leaky  Patanjali | 12/27/08
Let the users make a choice  mystic100 | 12/29/08
RE: Which sites will make the IE8 Compatibility Hall of Shame?  EvilSupahFly | 01/01/09
RE: Which sites will make the IE8 Compatibility Hall of Shame?  lewisedge | 01/08/09
RE: Which sites will make the IE8 Compatibility Hall of Shame?  mkkh69@... | 01/08/09
Generic answer, stop shouting!  Mitch 74 | 01/08/09
Browser targeting, the end of shame?  cmunozcr | 01/09/09
SHAME MS  green alien | 01/13/09
RE: Which sites will make the IE8 Compatibility Hall of Shame?  davidmeridian | 01/13/09
I never said that  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 01/13/09
RE: Which sites will make the IE8 Compatibility Hall of Shame?  Annoyed reader | 01/16/09
RE: Which sites will make the IE8 Compatibility Hall of Shame?  Midna | 07/24/09

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