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XP is NOT Vista is NOT XP
"So the problems with XP were "OK", those same problems with vista were "Unacceptable"."

That is because there was adequate overlap between Windows 98/ME/2000/XP

Basically, when Windows 2000 came out, there were very few applications that refused to run on it. Windows 2000 was MS's crowning achievement. I have 2000 machines that have been running since 1999.

XP accepted all of the programs 2000 did and also accepted some 16 bit DOS programs. Windows 2000 drivers worked for XP.

But XP really did not become solid until service pack 2. XP Pro/SP2 is about the most solid OS, and Vista has a long way to go to beat that. Give it another 2 service packs... Hopefully by that time MS will make something new that has less oversecurity and greater cross-compatibility all the way back to Windows 3.11 (Several 3.11 programs work on XP with help- They are now Hardblocked under Vistsh_t SP1- But they can be unblocked with Application Compatibility Toolkit.

The fact is, Vista has simply too many programs that still will nto work. Using the Application Compatibility Toolkit, some of this *huge* problem can be dealt with... But the fact is, you still have to download the ACT and the Application list update- At this time, the Application Compatibility Toolkit should be standard equipment for Vista until I can run ALL of my programs (not just the new ones, but the old ones I still use to get my work done).

"These are good things. M$ deserves what they got. Even though Vista is just XP all over again."

No... Vista is practically a whole other thing, EVERYTHING has been changed. Everythng that matters.

Also... I have always said, that Microsoft's premature ejaculation of Vista caused developent of 64 bit OS's and systems back at least 5 years.

Intel STILL does not have a 64-bit CPU, dual, Quad, or whatever, that I can buy for less than 100 dollars like I can get the AMD AM2 chips for, the first Core Duos did not have the 64 but instruction set. The new 64 bit instruction set is NOT a true 64 bit set like thr AMD set is- And Windows XP x64 on an Intel CPU is NOT acceptable, neiother is Vista 64 bit.

MS should have developed XP x64 for a whole other year, with emphasis, before even thinking about vista. That way, Intel would have had to follow suit with a cheap true x64 processor instead of reverse engineering AMDs instruction set.
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For what?  tonymcs@... | 07/10/08
Oh come on!  TripleII | 07/10/08
Oh come on yourself!  toadlife | 07/10/08
Vista's launch compared to XPs  gtimchishen | 07/11/08
MS Did  LiquidLearner | 07/11/08
You're correct  notsofast | 07/11/08
XP is NOT Vista is NOT XP  XweAponX | 07/13/08
XP problems  Ian_ | 07/13/08
Your memory is a little faulty  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 07/14/08
MS still shares some of the blame  Michael Kelly | 07/11/08
NO, you come on...  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 07/11/08
Not necessarily ...  mwagner@... | 07/11/08
Yes, necessarily...  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 07/11/08
Two questions  Badgered | 07/11/08
Two answers  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 07/11/08
good lord....  ivanotter | 07/11/08
I'm not buying your story  marks055@... | 07/11/08
I don't care what you buy, fanboy  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 07/12/08
well...  evilkillerwhale@... | 07/12/08
well...  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 07/13/08
I beg to differ.  evilkillerwhale@... | 07/12/08
Upgrade whole machine ?  Devonmcnulty@... | 09/06/08
lots of questionnable developments in this path  stevey_d | 07/11/08
Fair enough...  Ben_E | 07/11/08
I disagree  voska1 | 07/11/08
I disagree...  ivanotter | 07/11/08
Keeping perspective  fenex@... | 07/12/08
Assuming you are correct  Freebird54 | 07/12/08
So what you're saying then...  konkreet | 07/14/08
Ok Then  dave01010101 | 07/11/08
THe point of the eMachine is...  TripleII | 07/11/08
Your examples...  Ben_E | 07/11/08
.....  Linux User 147560 | 07/11/08
I agree with this  DonBurnett | 07/11/08
Well said  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 08/16/08
i love pain  jiagebusen | 07/11/08
RE: How should Microsoft fight Vista criticism?  don.overton@... | 07/10/08
If the job is so difficult, they should find...  bjbrock | 07/10/08
If I still develop OS components can I complain? (NT)  TripleII | 07/10/08
It can't be that hard...  gtdworak | 07/11/08
.....  Linux User 147560 | 07/11/08
Wow  Bob_BLC | 07/11/08
0 issues???  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 07/11/08
.....  Linux User 147560 | 07/11/08
Yet again  TedKraan | 07/14/08
Microsoft's Fault  Cardhu | 07/14/08
Yeah...  ivanotter | 07/11/08
.....  Linux User 147560 | 07/13/08
Hehe, reminds me of iPhone fanboys  NonZealot | 07/13/08
As if Apple code Darwin  timiteh | 07/11/08
Aye?  Kaiwai | 07/12/08
The answer is because MS limits themselves  Michael Kelly | 07/11/08
Apple's job is much easier ...  mwagner@... | 07/11/08
Linux's job is just as difficult as MS's job  TedKraan | 07/14/08
Vastly superior  marks055@... | 07/12/08
I'm with you on this  Crestview | 07/12/08
Ed, see what happens when you cross a fanboy?  bmerc | 07/11/08
But I never kick my dog  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 07/11/08
Hey, I also said I think you're a great writer...  bmerc | 07/11/08
If I only I had a clever insult ...  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 07/11/08
Keeping the brain active in retirment?  martin23 | 07/14/08
If it weren't for Vista...  Kromaethius | 07/10/08
Your type of experience is in the minority.  bjbrock | 07/10/08
You're joking aren't you?  MyBlueRex | 07/10/08
Spurious.  A Grain of Salt | 07/10/08
Dude you are smoking something!  Martin_Australia | 07/10/08
I must admit I've been out of Aus for 18 months  A Grain of Salt | 07/11/08
When will this myth die?  NonZealot | 07/10/08
I'm not complaining about Vista  A Grain of Salt | 07/11/08
Vista does face stiff competition  NonZealot | 07/11/08
It's only sold 140....  Bob_BLC | 07/11/08
Specious again...  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 07/11/08
Big difference between a store run by Apple called  James Quinn | 07/11/08
Perhaps  Badgered | 07/11/08
Lets be fair....  James Quinn | 07/11/08
@James Quinn  Ben_E | 07/13/08
re: Let's be fair  Badgered | 07/14/08
I wouldn't say never  soonerproud | 07/11/08
NonZealot, he was commenting on the poster's comments about retail sales  bmerc | 07/11/08
wrong place (nt)  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 07/11/08
Yup, right on!  Kromaethius | 07/10/08
Because they don't know any differently  professordnm | 07/11/08
You seem to be joking  TtfnJohn | 07/11/08
No, we cannot. At least not until such time as YOU can demonstrate...  ye | 07/11/08
Don't be stupid Ye, you know better  bmerc | 07/11/08
Strawman. Notice what I wrote and not what you said:  ye | 07/11/08
lol  TedKraan | 07/14/08
Still talking in circles, ye...  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 07/11/08
And the Macintosh? Apple is just this little unknown company?  ye | 07/11/08
Apple's growing, ye...  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 07/11/08
@b8375629: I don't have to tell you anything.  ye | 07/11/08
140 million is YOUR claim, ye...  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 07/11/08
@b8375629: 140 million is not my number. It's Bill Gates' number:  ye | 07/14/08
Here we go again...  bmerc | 07/11/08
Yes, here we go with the fantasies again.  ye | 07/11/08
Any facts to support the INITIAL claim that they are?  bmerc | 07/11/08
The facts are MS has stated they have sold over...  ye | 07/11/08
Lets take a look @ some other numbers...  mrlinux | 07/14/08
I Understand (part of) your pain, but...  Kromaethius | 07/10/08
Good for you happy  mrlinux | 07/14/08
That may be true, but this day and...  Kromaethius | 07/15/08
You are missing the point...  mrlinux | 07/15/08
This is Vista Today  richm10@... | 07/19/08
maybe not for free but the price is an issue  marks055@... | 07/10/08
I Agree...  Kromaethius | 07/11/08
those who haven't tried it, learned, it, or at least studied it  bmerc | 07/11/08
Having a problem comprehending?  Kromaethius | 07/11/08
There will always be unhappy whiners  Crestview | 07/12/08
I Agree...  Kromaethius | 07/12/08
So how's game performance?  TedKraan | 07/14/08
I gotta tell ya!  Kromaethius | 07/14/08
lol.. nice reference  TedKraan | 07/25/08
The problem is not Vista per se.  bjbrock | 07/10/08
Configuring a network a nightmare compared  marks055@... | 07/10/08
Nah, he's got a point  TedKraan | 07/14/08
The problem is Microsoft, not Vista...  BillDem | 07/10/08
Did you mess yourself up , Dude?  dprozzo | 07/10/08
Crippled versions vs Full OS for a fair price  BillDem | 07/11/08
A Question for you  Kaiwai | 07/12/08
Answers for you =)  BillDem | 07/14/08
Sorry!? for What...  Windows Defender | 07/10/08
Ed, impressive how you have drawn the defenders.  TripleII | 07/10/08
So if everyone were to say that Linux is unstable, crashes...  ye | 07/11/08
As long as you're defending...  TtfnJohn | 07/11/08
Yes, let's be real. When will you start?  ye | 07/11/08
And once again, Ye denies the possibility...  bmerc | 07/11/08
Where?  ye | 07/11/08
Right here...  bmerc | 07/11/08
@bmerc: Again I ask: Where?  ye | 07/11/08
Ah, but the difference is...  bmerc | 07/11/08
Nor are they true of Vista.  ye | 07/11/08
Would I let them go unchallenged?  bmerc | 07/11/08
Nice cop out. What about "some guy" in talkbacks?  ye | 07/11/08
It's my own personal experience.  TripleII | 07/11/08
You're better than many. But you're still spreading FUD. Such as:  ye | 07/11/08
.....  Linux User 147560 | 07/13/08
I don't care if it's "in line with everyone else". What I care about is...  ye | 07/13/08
Too simplistic  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 07/11/08
I don't get it  TedKraan | 07/14/08
All of the above (nt)  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 07/14/08
Try PowerShell  Kerry from BC | 07/11/08
.....  Linux User 147560 | 07/13/08
"Never Apologise. Friends will forgive you and enemies wont believe you."  BanjoPaterson | 07/10/08
.....  Linux User 147560 | 07/11/08
What a defense!  John L. Ries | 07/11/08
RE: What a defense!  Windows Defender | 07/11/08
An apology from Balmer?  TripleII | 07/10/08
Doesn't love mean never having to say you're sorry?  Mac Hosehead | 07/10/08
Microsoft as rudderless and unable to deliver a competent product  Jeremy W | 07/10/08
So how is my good experience with Vista explained?  Martin_Australia | 07/10/08
See it as a dice.  TedKraan | 07/11/08
Perhaps you could....  Jeremy W | 07/11/08
RE:...good experience with Vista explained?, needed  n0neXn0ne | 07/11/08
I won five dollars off a scratch-off ticket yesterday...  bmerc | 07/11/08
Which is it ????  mrlinux | 07/15/08
Which is it ????  GiMMeABreak | 07/16/08
My Vista experience has been nothing but positive  NonZealot | 07/10/08
Thats been my experience  marks055@... | 07/10/08
Vista on phones next?  kraterz | 07/10/08
Think BIGGER. Think big.. Think really BIG. THINK REALLY REALY BIG  TedKraan | 07/14/08
That is a VERY VERY scary thought  GrimmReaperSound | 07/14/08
They need to be creative and even funny  marks055@... | 07/10/08
First Impression  TedKraan | 07/11/08
Brand recovery options  johnfenjackson@... | 07/11/08
Yup, options  TedKraan | 07/11/08
Microsoft deleting Firefox. Should they say...  bjbrock | 07/11/08
Re: Microsoft deleting Firefox - Pure Nonsense.  cnfrisch | 07/11/08
actually, no the STORY is correct, just the headline is false.  bmerc | 07/11/08
Haha, thanks for the perfect example!  NonZealot | 07/11/08
End-user reporting ...  dkawalec | 07/11/08
No, and neither did they. But that didn't keep them from publishing...  ye | 07/11/08
Just lower the price and take the stock drop on the chin.  solomonrex | 07/11/08
Vista is only a symptom  Chad_z | 07/11/08
The best way to get MS to shape up  frgough | 07/11/08
Probably...  Jeremy W | 07/11/08
The answer is easy: fix it and make it cost-effective  terry flores | 07/11/08
RE: How should Microsoft fight Vista criticism?  gjs16@... | 07/11/08
Causes for BSOD  B.Beck | 07/11/08
Video Drivers.  joe.smetona@... | 07/11/08
Update your drivers and apply sp1 (NT)  soonerproud | 07/11/08
why?  gdstark13 | 07/11/08
Perception, Truth, Fact and FUD  B.Beck | 07/11/08
Only "some" of fault OEMs'? Please!  ParrotHeadFL | 07/11/08
I have  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 07/11/08
Of course  B.Beck | 07/11/08
Yes, but...  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 07/11/08
Can't disagree with you there.  B.Beck | 07/11/08
Good question  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 07/11/08
OEM vendors can share some of the blame  mystic100 | 07/11/08
Has anyone said otherwise?  ye | 07/11/08
I agree  B.Beck | 07/11/08
Get ready to rumble  Chiatzu | 07/12/08
Same here  B.Beck | 07/11/08
More than drivers  Boykin01 | 07/11/08
Recognizing where the balme belongs  B.Beck | 07/11/08
It was a win-win for everone but Microsoft.  Boykin01 | 07/11/08
right  TedKraan | 07/14/08
True  Windows Defender | 07/11/08
they are forced anyways  TedKraan | 07/14/08
Nuke all WGA/activation and DRM  scott1329 | 07/11/08
The myth of DRM  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 07/11/08
Try to play a blue-ray movie on any other OS  Kerry from BC | 07/11/08
Sorry, you're wrong  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 07/11/08
RE: Sorry, you're wrong  Kerry from BC | 07/11/08
It works better with Linux.  TripleII | 07/11/08
Bypassing DRM is not an option for a corporation  Kerry from BC | 07/11/08
Blu-Ray movies for business?  TripleII | 07/12/08
Agree...  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 07/11/08
RE: How should Microsoft fight Vista criticism?  reapur | 07/11/08
RE: How should Microsoft fight Vista criticism?  RaydioDr | 07/11/08
Glass is only 3/4 full  w_c_mead | 07/11/08
Generally agree  John L. Ries | 07/11/08
Generally agree  aussieblnd@... | 07/11/08
If it was...  John L. Ries | 07/11/08
Agree with John L.  B.Beck | 07/11/08
Why admins don't like Vista  gmiller@... | 07/11/08
Even if it doesn't "suck," why should I want it?  ernestm@... | 07/11/08
How about improved security?  B.Beck | 07/11/08
Our security's not giving us any issues...  ernestm@... | 07/11/08
Supporting old OSs  B.Beck | 07/11/08
Change focus from criticism to Users' Challenges  SteveMak | 07/11/08
RE: How should Microsoft fight Vista criticism?  Tom in Toronto | 07/11/08
RE: How should Microsoft fight Vista criticism?  morwen | 07/11/08
RE: How should Microsoft fight Vista criticism?  drf999 | 07/11/08
How about having one version?  RocketEater | 07/11/08
RE: How should Microsoft fight Vista criticism?  deanyourfriendinzdnet | 07/11/08
They should forget salvaging Vista and move on.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/11/08
So what would you suggest?  Michael Kelly | 07/11/08
how about a security level between "make me mad" and "no security"?  stevey_d | 07/11/08
Neither  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/11/08
A heck of a lot easier said than done  Michael Kelly | 07/14/08
No change in driver models  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 07/14/08
agreed, and they should listen to small developers  stevey_d | 07/11/08
So I'll take that as a vote for Vista 2 (nt)  Michael Kelly | 07/11/08
What should MS sell in the mean time?  John L. Ries | 07/11/08
80% of all Windows sales  No_Ax_to_Grind | 07/11/08
Eat Your Crow First Buddy  itanalyst2@... | 07/13/08
RE: How should Microsoft fight Vista criticism?  mwagner@... | 07/11/08
I agree  B.Beck | 07/11/08
RE: How should Microsoft fight Vista criticism?  akaltman@... | 07/11/08
All OSes are works in progress  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 07/11/08
Vista was oversold and under-delivered  stevey_d | 07/11/08
Maintenance vs. beta  akaltman@... | 07/14/08
Cluelessness  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 07/14/08
RE: How should Microsoft fight Vista criticism?  cameljockey | 07/11/08
Yeah I think Core Duo and 2 gig of ram is a minimum  stevey_d | 07/11/08
RE: How should Microsoft fight Vista criticism?  Mikey52 | 07/11/08
RE: How should Microsoft fight Vista criticism?  mystic100 | 07/11/08
RE: How should Microsoft fight Vista criticism?  parks_gloria | 07/11/08
This is the norm  B.Beck | 07/11/08
'for what?' was a good start  inertman@... | 07/11/08
Perception Of Vista  StPatrick56 | 07/11/08
Good Post  B.Beck | 07/11/08
Oops  B.Beck | 07/11/08
"Sorta" New  StPatrick56 | 07/11/08
Perception Of Vista  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 07/11/08
"Buy An Apple"  StPatrick56 | 07/11/08
Well let's see...  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 07/12/08
OR....  StPatrick56 | 07/12/08
please point out  rtk | 07/12/08
More red herrings again...  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 07/13/08
not just thick, color blind as well  rtk | 07/13/08
Clear out the cobwebs, rtk...  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 07/13/08
yeah, nice try,  rtk | 07/13/08
Whoopsy-Daisy! grin  hasta la Vista, bah-bie | 07/14/08
RE: My BlueRex  tkepner | 07/11/08
Networking  Windows Defender | 07/11/08
RE: How should Microsoft fight Vista criticism?  larryarms737 | 07/11/08
RE: How should Microsoft fight Vista criticism?  drprod@... | 07/11/08
Nonsense  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 07/12/08
It's what I've come to expect from most Linux / Mac users in...  ye | 07/13/08
.....  Linux User 147560 | 07/13/08
Had I said that you might have a point. Since I did not you just...  ye | 07/14/08
RE: How should Microsoft fight Vista criticism?  alxnsc@... | 07/12/08
Ed admits to lying about Vista!  devlin_X | 07/12/08
Let's see some quotes, please  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 07/12/08
Your quotes sir....  devlin_X | 07/13/08
Not really a response  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 07/13/08
RE: How should Microsoft fight Vista criticism?  dawsobi@... | 07/12/08
RE: How should Microsoft fight Vista criticism?  dawsobi@... | 07/12/08
RE: How should Microsoft fight Vista criticism?  barend@... | 07/12/08
Microsoft Should Fight Vista Critics With More Advertising  chessmen | 07/12/08
RE: How should Microsoft fight Vista criticism?  chris_x | 07/12/08
RE: How should Microsoft fight Vista criticism?  TheSickEmpire | 07/12/08
RE: How ... criticism?  n0neXn0ne | 07/13/08
Vista Premium Ready = ULCPC  softdrat@... | 07/12/08
Venn diagrams  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 07/13/08
re: ... ?  n0neXn0ne | 07/13/08
I disagree...  techboy_z | 07/14/08
R..E. Venn diagrams  softdrat@... | 07/15/08
Microsoft needs to drop Yahoo! and get back to business.  Randalllind | 07/13/08
A few people have it right...  Sleeper Service | 07/13/08
t-shirt  TedKraan | 07/14/08
Fair enough...  Sleeper Service | 07/14/08
Exactly:  XweAponX | 07/13/08
RE: How should Microsoft fight Vista criticism?  ramnet@... | 07/14/08
Marketing = communications  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 07/14/08
I Think His is a Customer Perspective That is Not Being Listened To  Cardhu | 07/18/08
More FUD  dprozzo | 07/15/08
Read My Above Post  Cardhu | 07/18/08
Why should I bother when....  dprozzo | 07/21/08
If You Bothered To Read And Think, You Might Realize That  Cardhu | 07/22/08
You didn't  dprozzo | 07/22/08
You Post Distractions  Cardhu | 07/22/08
Vista Game Performance Issues  Cardhu | 07/23/08
RE: How should Microsoft fight Vista criticism?  lawryll@... | 07/14/08
You don't use full text search?  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 07/14/08
By admitting that Vista is a mistake....  dunn@... | 07/21/08
It Will Take Much More Than A Great Big Bandaid  Cardhu | 07/22/08
RE: How should Microsoft fight Vista criticism?  mjkarlin@... | 07/22/08
The first step to recovery...  bricar2 | 07/23/08
RE: How should Microsoft fight Vista criticism?  atari8bit@... | 07/23/08
RE: How should Microsoft fight Vista criticism?  lcarliner@... | 07/23/08
I Agree With All Of Mr. Bott's Suggestions  Cardhu | 07/24/08
A great summary of all my Microsoft bashing  Ole Man | 07/28/08
Don't I Usually Agree  Cardhu | 07/29/08
Yes, and I with you  Ole Man | 08/11/08
RE: How should Microsoft fight Vista criticism?  ramnet@... | 07/31/08
RE: How should Microsoft fight Vista criticism?  stdo57@... | 08/06/08
I Suggest You Check Your Spelling  Cardhu | 08/09/08
The point you completely miss...  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 08/09/08
I'm Not Disavowing The Role of Value-Added Resellers  Cardhu | 08/09/08
They are allowed to continue distributing XP  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 08/09/08
Public Sources Contradict Your Assertions  Cardhu | 08/09/08
You need different sources  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 08/09/08
Something Smells Really Off Here  Cardhu | 08/09/08
Go look at the OEM license agreement  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 08/09/08
You're Resting Your Comments On Supposed Rights  Cardhu | 08/09/08
What you fail to understand  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 08/09/08
I Do Understand That  Cardhu | 08/10/08
Now you're changing your argument  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 08/10/08
No, They're Actually Both Facets Of Microsoft's Violations  Cardhu | 08/10/08
I Have Researched As You Suggested  Cardhu | 08/13/08
You're almost there  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 08/13/08
I Think This Is Incorrect  Cardhu | 08/14/08
That quote is confusing  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 08/14/08
That Requires That I Trust Microsoft  Cardhu | 08/15/08
I am committed to the facts  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 08/15/08
I Remember Someone Else Who Used to Cite "Random Posts"  Cardhu | 08/15/08
10-year plan?  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 08/09/08

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