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So, if you were running a huge FOR PROFIT company, answerable to shareholders, you'd willingly free your customers to easily choose your competitors products instead of yours, and trust that most would happily stay? REALLY?
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If they were going to be smart about it..  SpikeyMike | 01/29/08
.org, maybe  bmgoodman | 01/29/08
you'd willingly free your customers to easily choose your competitors produ  Ole Man | 01/30/08
FOR PROFIT company, answerable to shareholders  fr0thy | 01/30/08
They can still use their own kernel  Michael Kelly | 01/29/08
Driver issues.  Anton Philidor | 01/29/08
device drivers are hard  Clewin | 01/29/08
"One guy ... rewrit(ing) ... drivers for every device"?  Anton Philidor | 01/29/08
Why would the hardware folk sweat it if MS lost out on a sale?  Michael Kelly | 01/29/08
Consequences.  Anton Philidor | 01/29/08
Re: Consequences  Michael Kelly | 01/29/08
Backward compatibility.  Anton Philidor | 01/29/08
How often does a kernel need to be drastically changed?  Michael Kelly | 01/29/08
Re: Consequences  gtg781w | 01/30/08
Why would they sweat? Because...  goyta | 01/30/08
My point is  Michael Kelly | 01/29/08
18 months?  Anton Philidor | 01/29/08
Let the bad memories fade?  Michael Kelly | 01/29/08
Define knockout.  Anton Philidor | 01/29/08
Re: Define knockout.  Michael Kelly | 01/29/08
I'm not a developer, so I'm asking...  mdsmedia | 01/29/08
Re:I'm not a developer, so I'm asking...  Michael Kelly | 01/29/08
Re: I'm not a developer, so I'm asking  gtg781w | 01/30/08
re: not a developer...  Wolfie2K3 | 01/30/08
Driver issues actually increase sales  gtg781w | 01/30/08
And then they tell their friends about it  Michael Kelly | 01/30/08
Agreed, the word gets around..  JCitizen | 01/30/08
Uh... But they DID exactly that...  Wolfie2K3 | 01/30/08
Agreed.  Ben_E | 01/31/08
You mean end all innovation.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/29/08
What more kernel innovation needs to be done?  Michael Kelly | 01/29/08
Lots  Anton Philidor | 01/29/08
Those issues  Michael Kelly | 01/29/08
Retail upgrades...  Anton Philidor | 01/29/08
Re: Retail upgrades...  Michael Kelly | 01/29/08
Retail strategy.  Anton Philidor | 01/29/08
"new sales strategy"  jacarter3 | 01/29/08
Big bang hardware products  Michael Kelly | 01/29/08
That is why they keep releasing new ....  ShadeTree | 01/29/08
RE: Big Bang Hardware  ShadeTree | 01/29/08
RE: Re: Big Bang Hardware  Michael Kelly | 01/29/08
Re: That is why they keep releasing new ....  Michael Kelly | 01/29/08
None of it matters!  ShadeTree | 01/29/08
Re: Re: Re: Big Band Hardware  gtg781w | 01/30/08
Dead On!  ShadeTree | 01/29/08
Indeed I have noticed what's going on in Linux  Michael Kelly | 01/29/08
Try to keep the exageration to a minmum.  ShadeTree | 01/29/08
Yeah right!  ja4509 | 01/30/08
dream on  billw1234 | 01/30/08
Wait, I'm confused...  bmerc | 01/30/08
missing the point?  brokndodge@... | 04/01/08
Yes, Stop OS bloat (or slow it down)  w_c_mead | 04/01/08
Historically...  SpikeyMike | 01/29/08
You might have also pointed out the origin  Ole Man | 01/30/08
You want to stop technology?  CobraA1 | 01/29/08
Here's the thing though  Michael Kelly | 01/29/08
Smoke screen!!!  ShadeTree | 01/29/08
You're right on all those counts  Michael Kelly | 01/29/08
re: Here's the thing though  CobraA1 | 04/01/08
Kernel is not the issue...  blu_vg@... | 01/29/08
I agree, the kernel is fine  Michael Kelly | 01/29/08
for many reasons...  blu_vg@... | 01/29/08
Interoperability is the issue.  SpikeyMike | 01/29/08
BSD--to accomplish what?  blu_vg@... | 01/29/08
Ever tried to scale?  Spîkeý | 01/29/08
It's not the OS/kernel that doesn't scale...  blu_vg@... | 01/29/08
Your information on Windows scalability ...  ShadeTree | 01/29/08
You are a non sequiteur  thungurknifur | 02/06/08
you nuts?  billw1234 | 01/30/08
great point  marks055@... | 02/27/08
Why?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 01/29/08
Less legal cost maybe?  voska1 | 01/29/08
I'll take Microsoft's financial results over Apples ...  ShadeTree | 01/29/08
MS could make MILLIONS ...  wackoae | 01/29/08
GPL 3  gtg781w | 01/30/08
Not really  wackoae | 01/30/08
The Problem is M$ is NOT Smart  swbobcat | 01/30/08
Nobody Wants Vista??  gtg781w | 01/30/08
seems you dont read  ldelorenzo | 01/30/08
I think the posters problem...  Ben_E | 01/31/08
Vista SE  Anton Philidor | 01/29/08
RE: Windows 7 = Vista Release 2  CobraA1 | 01/29/08
And we'll see a lot of people proclaiming how...  ye | 01/29/08
Windows 7 will be revolutionary...  Mike Cox | 01/29/08
and which MS PR person are you?  k12IT | 01/29/08
lol  CobraA1 | 01/29/08
Don't Worry  Blogsworth | 01/29/08
How do you do it?  techboy_z | 01/29/08
Quite right. If TCO will be lower by 1000%, it most certainly  hkommedal | 01/30/08
Hey Fast Eddie!  Kromaethius | 01/29/08
Fallacious charts and assertions!!  techboy_z | 01/29/08
He also forgot  jacarter3 | 01/29/08
WFW was a major step  scott@... | 01/30/08
Before the timeline  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 01/30/08
I like it just the way you put it!! Thanks!  JCitizen | 01/30/08
Ed, Ed, Ed  jacarter3 | 01/31/08
I don't know why I bother  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 01/31/08
Furthermore,...  thx-1138_@... | 02/05/08
Agreed. Win7 being actually v6.1 seals the deal.  PB_z | 01/29/08
Suggestions for WIndows 7 development Team  boed | 01/29/08
64 bit  ceh4702 | 01/30/08
Hear hear!  improviz | 01/30/08
Well that didn't work for the communication port..  JCitizen | 01/30/08
That's what I say; although I know full well...  JCitizen | 01/30/08
It's still too early ...  mwagner@... | 01/06/09
At the time of this post...  JCitizen | 07/07/09
Re: point 7: Correct NO consumer wants it and it steals  hkommedal | 01/30/08
Re: Suggestions . . .  CobraA1 | 04/01/08
This is just silly ...  mwagner@... | 01/06/09
Vista = Windows ME in the development cycle of Windows  boed | 01/29/08
Win7 will be the new WinME, NOT Vista  qmlscycrajg | 01/29/08
Windows ME is crap and so is Vista  boed | 01/29/08
"Every single one of your clients..."  itpro_z | 01/29/08
Prove to me that Vista is faster  boed | 01/29/08
Much better  itpro_z | 01/29/08
Vista is making me learn more about other OS alternatives  boed | 01/29/08
With DRM baked in, it WILL be slower.  hkommedal | 01/30/08
Are you afraid to admit you are wrong?  boed | 01/29/08
Answers  itpro_z | 01/29/08
What it has to do with your question  boed | 01/29/08
...  thungurknifur | 02/06/08
much newer  aesirloke@... | 01/29/08
Perhaps  itpro_z | 01/29/08
upgrade cycle of hell  aesirloke@... | 01/29/08
Vista is slower on the same equipment as XP  boed | 01/29/08
DRM?  DotNetWill | 01/30/08
Yes Vista requires more resources  gtg781w | 01/30/08
Yet more proof Vista is SLOW  boed | 02/15/08
What happened to elegant code?  improviz | 01/30/08
Vista is using all that memory to itself? No!  DotNetWill | 01/30/08
If Vista don't run faster, and perform more operations  Ole Man | 01/30/08
Just get a clue  DotNetWill | 01/30/08
Windows Vista has a radically different approach  Ole Man | 01/31/08
Very Selective  DotNetWill | 01/31/08
Did you even read the link i posted?  Ole Man | 01/31/08
It's cool to hate Vista  DotNetWill | 01/31/08
Nonesense is being cool  Ole Man | 02/01/08
Yet more benchmarks  boed | 02/15/08
Why MS is so determined to get folks to use Vista  chas_2 | 01/30/08
Determined - like they really care  DotNetWill | 01/30/08
Remenber FORD and the EDSEL wel.......  carlsf@... | 01/30/08
Not at all  gtg781w | 01/30/08
My Guess is  howardweatherly | 01/30/08
No bad guess as most of what comes off the hardisk and  hkommedal | 01/30/08
RE: Windows 7 = Vista Release 2  DannyO_0x98 | 01/29/08
Hye DannyO please tell me...  fredfarkwater@... | 01/29/08
Excuse me!! "debacle"  howardweatherly | 01/30/08
Windows 7 = Windows Vista SP2  qmlscycrajg | 01/29/08
Why is XP2 SP2 listed as a separate OS?  deaf_e_kate | 01/29/08
XP SP2...  itpro_z | 01/29/08
Xp SP2  deaf_e_kate | 01/29/08
Response  itpro_z | 01/29/08
RE: Response  deaf_e_kate | 01/30/08
You mean like...  bobiroc | 01/29/08
Apple's new features  Mr_Dave | 01/30/08
Why yes I have  bobiroc | 01/30/08
other os vendors?  howardweatherly | 01/30/08
Read the paragraph under the blue chart  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 01/29/08
Sorry but XP SP2 = XP  deaf_e_kate | 01/29/08
agree with rtfa  aesirloke@... | 01/29/08
Vista release 2  itpro_z | 01/29/08
2k is 5.0, xp is 5.1, vista is 6.0  qmlscycrajg | 01/29/08
edit: you're right  qmlscycrajg | 01/29/08
TRUE, because Windows 7 is 6.1 happy  PB_z | 01/29/08
ok, sorry  qmlscycrajg | 01/29/08
Vista 64bit  mgrubb@... | 01/31/08
Name any major company that has moved to Vista  boed | 01/29/08
Approximately 50% of the Fortune 500 ....  ShadeTree | 01/29/08
Please show your sources  boed | 01/29/08
try doing some of your own research!  ShadeTree | 01/30/08
Message has been deleted.  boed | 01/30/08
Backing up statements with links on other subjects....  thungurknifur | 02/07/08
Moving?  zenwalker | 01/30/08
What?  skeptic tank | 01/30/08
Better security is the primary reason ....  ShadeTree | 01/30/08
Vista security is only existent because it has such a small market share  boed | 01/30/08
I don't think you have ever used vista  gtg781w | 01/30/08
You are aware  DotNetWill | 01/31/08
I am aware of the small percentage  boed | 01/31/08
More importantly ...  mwagner@... | 01/06/09
The inevitability of an upgrade...  Spîkeý | 01/29/08
Well said  boed | 01/29/08
Find all the data you need.....  Master Guru | 01/29/08
Sorry, I don't visit malware sites..........  Ole Man | 01/30/08
Not malware. Just a touch biased, perhaps.But not  hkommedal | 01/30/08
Not malware, providing you're NOT running Windows  Ole Man | 01/31/08
As IF i use Windows on the Internet, when I have a choice of  hkommedal | 01/31/08
Playing it safe is the best bet  Ole Man | 01/31/08
Windows has gone downhill ever since Windows 2000  xunil skcor | 01/29/08
Windows 2000 and XP were good  boed | 01/29/08
ME was the end of its line, whereas Win7 is based on Vista  PB_z | 01/29/08
Throw in the towel on Vista  boed | 01/29/08
It will help to throw away all things DRM. DRM intercepts  hkommedal | 01/30/08
You nailed this one Ed!  ShadeTree | 01/29/08
Don't forget Windows 14  whisperycat | 01/29/08
Why did they have to change driver model in Vista?  pauliusp | 01/29/08
Protected Path and removing drivers from the kernel ....  ShadeTree | 01/29/08
Driver failure  atari8bit@... | 01/30/08
DRM intercepts a lot of I/O- operations.  hkommedal | 01/30/08
Mythbuster  martin23 | 01/29/08
Hoping won't be so...  fed.mor@... | 01/29/08
Never say never. You MIGHT change your mind at a later  hkommedal | 01/30/08
You are right!  Ole Man | 01/31/08
AMEN Ole Man ! ! And the amount of make-up needed to  hkommedal | 01/31/08
Still trying to salvage Vista, Ed? You're a broken record at this point  zaine_ridling | 01/30/08
happy vista customer  thinklady | 01/30/08
Anger is an ugly thing, Zaine  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 01/30/08
Vista lite - for people who insist on Vista no matter how many say it sucks  boed | 01/30/08
If that's all there is my friends ...  johnfenjackson@... | 01/30/08
RE: Windows 7 = Vista Release 2  ramnet@... | 01/30/08
WinFX?  peterj2706@... | 01/30/08
winfx  appleRulez | 01/30/08
No "Instant-On"? Windows 7 Useless...  chas_2 | 01/30/08
Vista rules  erikswanson | 01/30/08
They need to fix something to get image back  binarypc | 01/30/08
Vista Rules...  michael.burgess@... | 01/30/08
Please release W7 sooner...  3dtodd | 01/30/08
RE: Windows 7 = Vista Release 2  williamwacker3@... | 01/30/08
RE: Windows 7 = Vista Release 2  wanderson | 01/30/08
RE: Windows 7 = Vista Release 2  Rambo Tribble | 01/30/08
I have used Vista for a year now  boed | 01/30/08
So no WinFS in 7?  Randalllind | 01/30/08
RE: Windows 7 = Vista Release 2  bricar2 | 01/30/08
RE: Windows 7 = Vista Release 2  atari8bit@... | 01/30/08
Missing point  green alien | 01/30/08
AMEN ! (nt)  hkommedal | 01/30/08
Amen brother!  hubmanagement@... | 01/30/08
Excellent Analogy to Win95-98  web2ohyeah | 01/30/08
security  Controlr | 01/30/08
Linux is (mostly !) more secure because the "root" (admin)  hkommedal | 01/30/08
RE: Windows 7 = Vista Release 2  cameljockey | 01/30/08
Wanna bet?  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 01/30/08
i dont want fancy, i want my computer!!!  billw1234 | 01/30/08
Junk by any other name is stillllll......  mikifinaz1@... | 01/30/08
As is said many times on these discussions...  JCitizen | 01/30/08
'Jaever stop to think?  Ole Man | 01/30/08
Don't THINK so, but he is certainly worth his salt from  hkommedal | 01/30/08
You're right  Ole Man | 01/31/08
Windows...  rebelxhardcore | 01/30/08
Vista removal service = money for companies happy  boed | 01/30/08
Kind of understand that  boed | 01/30/08
RE: Windows 7 = Vista Release 2  howardweatherly | 01/30/08
RE: Windows 7 = Vista Release 2  eisen6 | 01/30/08
Speaking of  gabrialmacleod@... | 01/30/08
Gee, you forgot MS Bob in your consumer Windows releases  berock | 01/31/08
A shell for Windows 3.1  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 01/31/08
Sure, but..  green alien | 02/01/08
RE: Windows 7 = Vista Release 2  BGBeta | 01/31/08
Curious?  ju1ce | 02/01/08
Crap by any other name...  mikifinaz1@... | 02/01/08
NEWEST Vista SP1 (released) vs XP SP2  boed | 02/15/08
RE: Windows 7 = Vista Release 2  zabs20@... | 04/01/08
RE: Windows 7 = Vista Release 2  zabs20@... | 04/01/08
RE: How about WPF Service Pack 1 first??  DonBurnett | 04/13/08
If you chart all SPs/SRs...  cquirke1 | 09/24/08
RE: Windows 7 = Vista Release 2  mwagner@... | 01/06/09

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