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Media business is growing
and OF COURSE Microsoft want a piece of that pie.
In recent news NBC left Apple's iTunes and have started their own service, heavily
DRMed of course using Windows Media but with too restricted usage, so most of
us think they'll not do too well, likely fail miserably, much like all other Microsoft-
based offerings.

Steve Jobs has repeatedly talked about moving away from DRM-crippled media, it
has mostly failed anyway except for iTunes music store, while Microsoft is moving
in the opposite direction and adding even more of those restriction directly into
the Windows OS.

Why do they do it? Most potential customers don't want it, they want their
purchased media not to be crippled. Control of course! They are once again trying
to leverage their desktop dominance and steal a hopefully big part of that tasty
pie Apple is currently controlling.

I don't mind competition, I in fact hope it'll grow, a too dominant Apple is not
much better than a dominant Sony, but then I'd prefer to see several companies
with a more honorable agenda than Microsoft.
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Media business is growing  Mikael_z | 09/21/07
Steve Jobs  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 09/21/07
Yep, talk is cheap  Mikael_z | 09/21/07
The problem with Online content  voska | 09/21/07
Not true  frgough | 09/21/07
you're wrong. Try buying a cheap DVD player  stevey_d | 09/21/07
oops I meant BT not the BBC I think  stevey_d | 09/21/07
Is the DVD market much much bigger?  Mikael_z | 09/23/07
It's just that it's been cracked  Swift48 | 09/23/07
People want freedoms  laura.b | 09/21/07
Three letters  frgough | 09/21/07
WGA? Compared to OS X wga is a very open license.  xuniL_z | 09/21/07
Funny, I've been running OS X unsupported for four years.  Resuna | 09/21/07
Not my point  xuniL_z | 09/21/07
RE:WGA? Compared to OS X wga is a very open license  mrOSX | 09/21/07
Well MrOSX, That's because the OS constantly checks if your PC is legal  Ambivi | 09/21/07
@Ambivi..  msalzberg | 09/22/07
so, Apple doesn't care if OS X is pirated  xuniL_z | 09/22/07
I don't know if Apple is unconcerned..  msalzberg | 09/22/07
re: Three letters  M.R. Kennedy | 09/22/07
I'll add another three  xuniL_z | 09/22/07
But they talk a good game...  Chippolus | 09/21/07
you might want to offer facts  Monkey_MCSE | 09/21/07
Keeping your mind and eyes off my a$$, Donkey_MCSE!  Chippolus | 09/21/07
re: But they talk a good game...  M.R. Kennedy | 09/21/07
Not even arrogant...  Chippolus | 09/21/07
apparently, you're just a moron  Monkey_MCSE | 09/21/07
I should make it even easier for you...  Monkey_MCSE | 09/21/07
Spoken like a 13 year old, Donkey,  Chippolus | 09/22/07
Without going too deeply...  msalzberg | 09/22/07
Admittedly outdated...  Chippolus | 09/22/07
@Chippolus..  msalzberg | 09/22/07
Care to back that up?  Rick_K | 09/22/07
Sleeping fine.  Chippolus | 09/24/07
I have a lot more "Choice" on my Mac  jacarter3 | 09/21/07
VERY appropriate title!!  NonZealot | 09/21/07
cheer up, j,a.  xuniL_z | 09/22/07
You write like you assume  laura.b | 09/22/07
I don't buy that.  xuniL_z | 09/23/07
Laura - thanx for your misdirection  jacarter3 | 09/24/07
whines  xuniL_z | 09/24/07
Choice! Hah! What is it good for!  Chippolus | 09/24/07
"How many OS'es can you run on the Mac?"  jacarter3 | 09/24/07
Dude! You got me all wrong!  Chippolus | 09/24/07
Dude, you make no sense  jacarter3 | 09/24/07
I'll try to clarify.  Chippolus | 09/25/07
How about iWork?  jacarter3 | 09/26/07
To see more clearly  Mikael_z | 09/22/07
Incase you missed it....  Rick_K | 09/22/07
"Oh wise one" LOL  laura.b | 09/22/07
"build" hardware is a bit of a stretch.  rtk | 09/23/07
Can you buy a Mac without Software?  Chippolus | 09/24/07
Go ahead, hack OS X  Swift48 | 09/24/07
Really?  fredsmith6 | 09/21/07
You could ask the same thing about the software in DVD-players too. [NT]  Mikael_z | 09/22/07
Jobs also pointed out that 99%+ of tunes purchased were DRMfree on iTunes  stevey_d | 09/21/07
That may be true  NonZealot | 09/21/07
Good point ...  fredsmith6 | 09/21/07
So you don't belong to those 80% who choose iPods anyway then, huh? [NT]  Mikael_z | 09/22/07
Gee, guilt by association  Swift48 | 09/23/07
Job's didn't do sh*t to get drm dropped.  rtk | 09/24/07
i seen the same report rtk and lmao at the job's lovers who believed his  SO.CAL Guy | 09/26/07
A more honorable agenda?  laura.b | 09/21/07
Ask the blowhard this...  Chippolus | 09/21/07
While $2.5 billion is a huge amount...  msalzberg | 09/22/07
So.... Apple's Charity?  Chippolus | 09/24/07
I just praised..  msalzberg | 09/24/07
So Apple really gives Nothing?  Chippolus | 09/25/07
Microsoft is a convicted monopolist  Mikael_z | 09/22/07
There's no such thing as a "convicted monopolist"  Ambivi | 09/22/07
Right! [NT]  Mikael_z | 09/23/07
Again with the assumptions  laura.b | 09/22/07
never has there be truer words spoken.  rtk | 09/23/07
Being greedy ain't a crime either  Mikael_z | 09/23/07
Just more blame spreading from laura.b  Len Rooney | 09/23/07
Translation?  Chippolus | 09/24/07
Microsoft was never convicted of anything.  ShadeTree | 09/23/07
You're right.  msalzberg | 09/24/07
THANK GOD FOR A GOOD REPORTER!  JABBER_WOLF | 06/03/08
You don't use a leatherman to rebuild an engine...  IMHOYAAAH | 09/21/07
Good point -- but stands independant of what Ed is saying  dhavleak@... | 10/02/07
Good Work Ed  andycher | 09/21/07
"some guy with a website says" You realise you're some guy on a website Ed?  stevey_d | 09/21/07
Well, no  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 09/21/07
so then...  Monkey_MCSE | 09/21/07
No, that's not what I said  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 09/21/07
no, thats exactly what you said...  Monkey_MCSE | 09/21/07
Only need 1 example  NonZealot | 09/21/07
strawman: gutmann didn't say all video cards  stevey_d | 09/23/07
Geez, Stevey  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 09/23/07
MVP.  stevey_d | 09/27/07
you're talking circles around yourself..  dhavleak@... | 10/02/07
Spoken like the true hobbiest that you are...  jacarter3 | 09/21/07
Go ahead and publish your results  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 09/21/07
Hobbiest, hobbyest or  jacarter3 | 09/24/07
One last thing  jacarter3 | 09/24/07
Belittle?  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 09/24/07
Yep, that's an attempt to belittle and not address the facts  stevey_d | 09/27/07
Wikipedia needs to update Vista entry  otaddy | 09/21/07
You can update it  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 09/21/07
I just did  otaddy | 09/21/07
Nope, nothing seem to have changed on Wikipedia  kevintxu | 09/21/07
That page is protected.  otaddy | 09/22/07
Also added Ou's article  otaddy | 09/22/07
what are your credentials?  stevey_d | 09/21/07
Past credentials meaningless  otaddy | 09/21/07
Your understanding is wrong  NonZealot | 09/21/07
The MediaLaw blogger is confused  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 09/21/07
I'm sorry i can't take you seriously  stevey_d | 09/23/07
Read the AACS spec for Blu-ray  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 09/23/07
but nothing is defined in HDCP for policy?  stevey_d | 09/23/07
Good points, Stevey  Ole Man | 09/23/07
you do realize  xuniL_z | 09/24/07
Title should read...  Chad_z | 09/21/07
Except...  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 09/21/07
re: Except...  M.R. Kennedy | 09/21/07
Liam Tung from ZDNET Disagrees With You About Vista DRM  chessmen | 09/26/07
No, Liam Tung said nothing about Vista DRM  NonZealot | 09/26/07
This is too funny by George Ou  stevey_d | 09/21/07
Stevey, you're starting to embarrass yourself  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 09/21/07
I need further explanation  NonZealot | 09/22/07
HDCP is on or off  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 09/22/07
Helps but more questions  NonZealot | 09/22/07
My fault  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 09/22/07
"content restriction policy" so where does this come from and is it "on"  stevey_d | 09/23/07
On the media  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 09/23/07
I would do, but it's not in HDCP spec.  stevey_d | 09/23/07
Not so Ed, you missed the point  stevey_d | 09/23/07
Sheesh  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 09/23/07
Agreed this post was gibberish  stevey_d | 09/23/07
Perhaps you can explain George Ou's post then Ed  stevey_d | 09/23/07
I stand behind my writing  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 09/23/07
Personally...  zkiwi | 09/21/07
I am totally  xuniL_z | 09/22/07
Microsoft Announces Contentless DRM  chessmen | 09/22/07
Nah, this is funnier  otaddy | 09/22/07
A great link!  Ole Man | 09/23/07
the sad part is...  rtk | 09/24/07
See Ed, this is what I mean:  stevey_d | 09/23/07
Wrong  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 09/23/07
re: global warming not relevant here  stevey_d | 09/23/07
One last time  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 09/23/07
did you answer the question - will ICT cause big CPU utilization on Vista?  stevey_d | 09/24/07
and, what are you really saying about Gutman  stevey_d | 09/24/07
You're not reading his stuff  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 09/24/07
That's ONE small bit of what he says, MOST is about CPU cycles wasted onDRM  stevey_d | 09/27/07
RE:so, Apple doesn't care if OS X is pirated  wjgrimm | 09/25/07
DRM troubles drive ex-Microsoft employee to Linux  johnf76@... | 09/26/07
It really depends now, doesn't it?  NonZealot | 09/26/07
Re:It really depends now, doesn't it?  johnf76@... | 09/26/07
You misunderstood  NonZealot | 09/26/07
To say Gutmann lied  johnf76@... | 09/26/07
I read Johansson's blog  NonZealot | 09/26/07
You may have read Johansson's blog  johnf76@... | 09/26/07
You are missing the point  NonZealot | 09/26/07
Analogy time  NonZealot | 09/26/07
Even more damning!!  NonZealot | 09/26/07
Ok  johnf76@... | 09/27/07
Apples and oranges  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 09/27/07
Thanks, Ed!  johnf76@... | 09/27/07
Ed, you make yourself look like a complete idiot.  james.faction | 10/02/07
Did you even read the link you yourself posted  dhavleak@... | 10/02/07
Stay tuned!  Ole Man | 10/05/07
Thanks Ed  dhavleak@... | 10/02/07
I think Everyone Is Missing The Irony Of This  russell_john@... | 11/01/07

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