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The issue to be answered is not if Vista can drive a huge Samsung monitor with HD content but if it can drive it with DRM protected HD content. Showing a computer generated airline times board is not showing the latest movie with DRM crippling it.

I get the feeling you're as misleading and evasive on your defense as the originating article is.
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Some questions and comments  TripleII | 09/16/07
Large screen Samsug question  shoktai@... | 09/16/07
Two Samsung monitors  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 09/17/07
Monitor upgrades: just another cost of Vista  pyrr | 09/18/07
(addendum)  pyrr | 09/18/07
Look at the picture  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 09/18/07
The bigger picture...  pyrr | 09/18/07
Nothing is "force-obsoleted"  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 09/26/07
While Peter was wrong about the DVI HDCP support...  mrOSX | 09/19/07
Sorry Ed  On Site PC | 10/10/07
Huh?  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 10/11/07
Irrelevant  Spiritusindomit@... | 11/01/07
Should small projects pay $230 for a certificate too?  AySz88 | 09/16/07
It's a one time signing certificate for unlimited code signing  georgeou | 09/16/07
Certificates are a very bad idea  shoktai@... | 09/17/07
Certificates are a good idea  oldsysprog | 09/17/07
Correction noted, post updated  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 09/17/07
Certificates can be extremely BAD  tony@... | 09/17/07
Time Stamping the Signature Solves the Issue  jrussel21 | 09/17/07
Yes they are...  socialism=nowhere | 09/17/07
WHQL tests are done by OEMs, but they are hard to fake and OEMs get audited  Duncan_Bloome | 09/17/07
$230 for a certificate too? Readme for Geore OU.  shoktai@... | 09/17/07
it is not a one time cost, it is a yearly cost.  mrOSX | 09/17/07
It's the hastle  TripleII | 09/17/07
No matter what MS does you'll find a reason to dislike them.  ye | 09/17/07
You wouldn't find that tedious?  TripleII | 09/17/07
There's a test signing mode for developers  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 09/17/07
See ye...  TripleII | 09/17/07
Only applies to Kernel Mode Drivers?  Patanjali | 09/17/07
You don't know yet you still fault.  ye | 09/17/07
LOL, Ed is the source.  TripleII | 09/17/07
@triplell  rtk | 09/17/07
@rtk  TripleII | 09/17/07
Ad hominem noted.  ye | 09/17/07
You can sign your code for no cost, people  Nunya Bidnez | 11/01/07
And that is what debian does  Jxn | 09/29/07
Why Mandatory Certificates are a Bad Idea  cyberscan | 09/17/07
bcdedit /set loadoptions DDISABLE_INTEGRITY_CHECKS  ye | 09/17/07
Nope not bcdedit  oldsysprog | 09/17/07
Everything I've read indicates it works on RTM as well.  ye | 09/17/07
Right, what's that, like 1 new iPod.  pmcgrath@... | 09/17/07
Sorry, should be $20/month.  pmcgrath@... | 09/20/07
$300 doesn't sound unreasonable  A.Sinic | 09/21/07
Agreed  chuck@... | 10/04/07
This is called controlling competition  knowledgefreak | 10/10/07
DRM is plain bad (and stupid)  Mectron | 09/16/07
DRM is not illegal  lucky 13 | 09/17/07
DRM can illegally stop the "First Sale Doctrine"  dragosani | 09/17/07
well stated  rcronau@... | 09/17/07
not so fast  lucky 13 | 09/17/07
That lawsuit had nothing to do with reselling  dragosani | 09/17/07
guess again  lucky 13 | 09/18/07
I don't have to  dragosani | 09/19/07
not even CLOSE to "the same thing"  dlmeyer@... | 09/19/07
Re: DRM is not illegal  none none | 09/17/07
don't blame me if you're the one refusing rational debate  lucky 13 | 09/17/07
/me whistles theme from the twilight zone [NA]  none none | 09/17/07
perfect  lucky 13 | 09/18/07
The heart of the matter  Absolutely | 09/18/07
Too bad its all Hot Air  Relorian@... | 09/17/07
oh boo hoo  lucky 13 | 09/17/07
DRM by definition is illegal Period  Mectron | 09/17/07
your behavior is illegal, drm isn't  lucky 13 | 09/18/07
This is silly  A.Sinic | 09/21/07
I never took an American civics class in my life.  Ole Man | 10/04/07
Are you sure we can include print and music with software?  On Site PC | 10/11/07
wrong  penile@... | 09/17/07
Yep, you are wrong  dragosani | 09/17/07
"Terms to buyer" may not always be legal  MisterRon | 09/17/07
what  penile@... | 09/19/07
Good analogy  Absolutely | 10/01/07
DRM=illegal  laura.b | 09/17/07
DRM stops others using your bank account  Patanjali | 09/17/07
DRM stops you transferring money among your own bank accounts.  Absolutely | 09/18/07
DRM is wrong approach  blarman_z | 10/04/07
BULLETIN - Microsoft loses appeal against EU antitrust ruling  Intellihence | 09/17/07
And that has what to do with this article?  James T. Kirk | 09/17/07
actually, it's got everything to do with it  bmerc | 09/17/07
Yes......that has to be it  aemc | 09/17/07
RE: Everything you've read about Vista DRM is wrong (Part 1)  mrOSX | 09/17/07
As long as  Qbt | 09/17/07
My issue is he is beating a dead horse...  mrOSX | 09/17/07
We understand  Qbt | 09/17/07
You should read Peter's articles closer...  mrOSX | 09/17/07
Looks to me like...  bmerc | 09/17/07
I like it....  mrOSX | 09/17/07
re: "When people stop linking to the fudicle..."  Absolutely | 09/18/07
Its not Apple friendly FUD  Chippolus | 09/17/07
What makes you jump to the conclusion Iam an...  mrOSX | 09/17/07
Reality Check  ubaz2 | 09/17/07
Ok I am confused...  mrOSX | 09/17/07
Sigh... try to lower your reality shield...  Chippolus | 09/17/07
First off...  Chippolus | 09/17/07
That's a good laugh for the day...  MacCanuck | 09/17/07
Was funnier in color...  Chippolus | 09/17/07
Um, you're username is "mrOSX"  laura.b | 09/17/07
RE: As long as ...  GreyGeek | 09/17/07
Nice Response...  mrOSX | 09/17/07
Don't want Vista to become Apple  TucsonGuy | 09/17/07
Well my iPod works with Linux...  mrOSX | 09/17/07
Why? Apple was within their rights.  ITGuy04 | 09/17/07
Polling?  A.Sinic | 09/21/07
Junk mail  Ole Man | 10/04/07
Microsoft Zealot  bmw@... | 09/17/07
Err.. ya  MongoMe | 09/17/07
Gutmann - who is he?  srobtjones@... | 09/17/07
Well this started with Peter Gutmann's paper as response to...  mrOSX | 09/17/07
And...  Spiritusindomit@... | 11/01/07
people jump them for it?..... Duck!  Ole Man | 11/01/07
Basically a dumb-!!! ...with an agenda  socialism=nowhere | 09/17/07
Almost nothing  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 09/17/07
nothing you write about gutmann is true  stevey_d | 09/17/07
You have a wrong point  ITGuy04 | 09/17/07
I agree with that statement 100%  mrOSX | 09/17/07
Talk about agendas....  socialism=nowhere | 09/17/07
His favorite flavor of crap... Bullcrap!  Chippolus | 09/17/07
Where do you get the idea I am an Apple fanboy....  mrOSX | 09/17/07
That'a ashame,  socialism=nowhere | 09/17/07
You can't post here.  Chippolus | 09/17/07
Huh?  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 09/17/07
360 Component only?  breeder@... | 09/17/07
That's only in new Xbox models  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 09/17/07
Refresher course:  ITGuy04 | 09/17/07
Wrong post  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 09/17/07
RE: Everything you've read about Vista DRM is wrong (Part 1)  Office Mole | 09/17/07
What you're say is irrelavent.  DemonX | 09/17/07
DemonXlax No like  Chippolus | 09/17/07
poor comprehension  lucky 13 | 09/17/07
Hollywhat?  ubaz2 | 09/17/07
Guess what? I am under an NDA now...  Old Timer 8080 | 09/17/07
Loosen the tinfoil  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 09/17/07
Yep, an Ex-CRAY DEVELOPMENT Employee  Old Timer 8080 | 09/17/07
ex-cray, current-nut  rtk | 09/17/07
How to read a Bott or Ou story automatically  nighthawk808 | 09/17/07
At least use valid code  ubaz2 | 09/17/07
This is C++, not C#  jensfiederer | 09/17/07
jensfiederer is correct.  nighthawk808 | 09/17/07
Thanks for giving me the correct perspective  Old Timer 8080 | 09/17/07
Always glad to help.  nighthawk808 | 09/17/07
RE: Everything you've read about Vista DRM is wrong (Part 1)  jhavins@... | 09/17/07
Exactly  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 09/17/07
What exactly were[ you thinking?  canon_man | 09/17/07
Not personal attacks  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 09/17/07
Not a personal attack ????  mrOSX | 09/17/07
Nope  lucky 13 | 09/17/07
Attaching the word FUDMaster after his name  mrOSX | 09/17/07
He didn't say he's ugly or a moron.  Furiousrog | 09/17/07
Bzzt. Wrong guess again...  mrOSX | 09/17/07
nope  lucky 13 | 09/17/07
nominated ... himself?  Absolutely | 10/01/07
that's a question you should ask Gutmann  rtk | 09/17/07
While Gutmann's paper may not be 100% accurate...  mrOSX | 09/17/07
what are you trying to say?  rtk | 09/17/07
Well I think he as more than a couple of facts...  mrOSX | 09/17/07
Excellent news!  NonZealot | 09/17/07
Well give me sometime here to put together links  mrOSX | 09/17/07
mrOSX: Times up. Where are your facts?  ye | 09/18/07
How do you know?  ye | 09/17/07
His interpretation of the quotes was wrong  NonZealot | 09/17/07
No one of George's complaints was about  mrOSX | 09/17/07
Go complain on George's post  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 09/17/07
Well it is pretty tough to test something that  mrOSX | 09/18/07
are you saying that AES takes less CPU cycles on a Core Duo  stevey_d | 09/18/07
Go check your facts, please  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 09/18/07
released in 2006 but was it the most common CPU then?  stevey_d | 09/18/07
Iam surprised Apple is not going after AACS...  mrOSX | 09/17/07
is mrOSX a new apple fanboy troll sure reads like one (NT)  SO.CAL Guy | 09/17/07
I dont think he is an Apple Fanboy just because...  mrlinux | 09/17/07
That didnt take long to change the picture.  mrOSX | 09/19/07
Shill'n'FUD  whisperycat | 09/17/07
Anti-Gutmann, not Pro-MS  ubaz2 | 09/17/07
Is Bott a M$-Bot, or Bott That's Been Bought?  i2fun@... | 09/17/07
Nice post, mr jobs. (nt)  rtk | 09/17/07
That's a lotta Bott  Ole Man | 09/17/07
2500 words and counting in a irrelevant article...  clodhoppers18@... | 09/17/07
Guttman Is Right, Vista is a Failure  chessmen | 09/17/07
And your evidence is...?  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 09/17/07
RE: And your evidence is...?  Tracer76 | 09/17/07
nonsense  rtk | 09/17/07
The Truth  Tracer76 | 09/18/07
way off base.  rtk | 09/18/07
wanna buy a clue?  lucky 13 | 09/17/07
Vista at least a sidegrade  comp_indiana | 09/17/07
It also causes diahhrea.  Chippolus | 09/17/07
In answer to your question...  comp_indiana | 09/17/07
Copied from Parc before that...  Chippolus | 09/17/07
Vista costs are not high - unless you are investing in HD components  csmith@... | 09/17/07
Losing control of our computers, one step at a time  Kaleld | 09/17/07
I think you are wrong  Nostredamus | 09/17/07
What do you think  frgough | 09/17/07
Links please!  NonZealot | 09/17/07
Oh I'd go for the WGA failure on a legit install  zkiwi | 09/17/07
Message has been deleted.  NonZealot | 09/17/07
Message has been deleted.  zkiwi | 09/17/07
Links for Stupidity  tomam | 09/17/07
How did I misquote him?  NonZealot | 09/17/07
Bull*cough* again  Elder Developer | 09/17/07
You're splitting hairs.  Resuna | 09/17/07
RE: Everything you've read about Vista DRM is wrong (Part 1)  jaytho | 09/17/07
I don't care I'm with OSX now  johndifo | 09/17/07
You cared enough to reply!  NonZealot | 09/17/07
Everything you read from Ed Bott is biased!  alafjr@... | 09/17/07
Dead news... 100 replies... no interest  Chippolus | 09/17/07
IF  Endoscopy | 09/17/07
RE:Sigh... try to lower your reality shield...  mrOSX | 09/17/07
Then you must have more time on your hands  Chippolus | 09/17/07
Ok I will play...  mrOSX | 09/17/07
oops the things I disklike about Linux  mrOSX | 09/17/07
Yes...  Chippolus | 09/17/07
Now THAT is good info...  Chippolus | 09/17/07
Actually the new powershell for Windows...  mrOSX | 09/17/07
Very nice.  laura.b | 09/17/07
Huh????  rgoeken@... | 09/17/07
CIf you are talking about me, I was responding ...  mrOSX | 09/17/07
Its not you.  Chippolus | 09/17/07
RE: Everything you've read about Vista DRM is wrong (Part 1)  rr.mailing003@... | 09/17/07
Interesting article  fromthehip | 09/17/07
And isn't it great you're free to choose alternatives?  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 09/17/07
RE: Everything you've read about Vista DRM is wrong (Part 1)  rhabkirk@... | 09/17/07
I'm Curious...  psuliin | 09/17/07
Yes BUT  chaz15 | 09/17/07
So Correct  chaz15 | 09/17/07
RE: Everything you've read about Vista DRM is wrong (Part 1)  WorkForFood2 | 09/17/07
Sorry  chaz15 | 09/17/07
Vista does cut max Res on RGB connections  jgwinner | 09/17/07
Unrelated to DRM  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 09/17/07
Well Ed your are proving Peters point about Vista....  mrOSX | 09/17/07
Moved out of kernel mode  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 09/17/07
Again your are proving the point about the cost...  mrOSX | 09/17/07
Go price them for yourself  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 09/17/07
Please provide your facts ???  mrOSX | 09/17/07
So where's your list?  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 09/17/07
Ed: Are you kidding? He has yet to produce facts for...  ye | 09/18/07
Interesting fact...  JCitizen | 10/10/07
Not a driver issue  jgwinner | 09/17/07
Still not getting it  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 09/17/07
You aren't getting it - Drivers were correct  jgwinner | 09/24/07
Read it again  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 09/24/07
I did read it again - understand the point  jgwinner | 10/10/07
I don't have the right equipment, but others do  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 10/10/07
You're not getting it Ed - I HAD VISTA DRIVERS  jgwinner | 10/08/07
I have now confirmed  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 10/30/07
HP drivers...  JCitizen | 10/31/07
RE: Everything you've read about Vista DRM is wrong (Part 1)  Pyrotech_z | 09/17/07
One other little tidbit...  mrOSX | 09/17/07
I love how easily distracted ABMers are  NonZealot | 09/17/07
I'll ask you then  TripleII | 09/17/07
Sounds like an accountant loss.  osreinstall | 09/17/07
You completely agree yet pooh pooh at the same time?  TripleII | 09/17/07
Two separate issues  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 09/17/07
What point in time are you using to delineate  notsofast | 09/17/07
You do not have long range consequences in your arguments.  osreinstall | 09/17/07
Missing the point....  thungurknifur | 10/05/07
I said more than that.  osreinstall | 12/31/07
Hardware vendors aren't forced to support DRM  NonZealot | 09/17/07
Doh! My fault for not proof reading  NonZealot | 09/17/07
No car has to supply disk brakes or ABS or airbags  TripleII | 09/17/07
Do you have a link?  NonZealot | 09/17/07
Misunderstanding  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 09/17/07
That ain't quite so  benderr2001 | 09/17/07
It never ceases to amaze me how ABMers want to prove to the world...  ye | 09/17/07
RE:t never ceases to amaze me how...  mrOSX | 09/17/07
Nothing wrong with a disgreement based on FACTUAL information.  ye | 09/17/07
It never ceases to amaze me how NBMers want to prove to the world.  deaf_e_kate | 09/17/07
A prime example of a clueless ABMer  ye | 09/17/07
He nailed you, er ye...  comp_indiana | 09/17/07
Who nailed me and about what?  ye | 09/17/07
list the non-fatual ones for me..  deaf_e_kate | 09/17/07
The non-factual what?  ye | 09/17/07
re: the non-factual...  deaf_e_kate | 09/18/07
See your original post to which I responded.  ye | 09/18/07
there's nothing in it about facts or non-facts  deaf_e_kate | 09/18/07
No surprise you can't figure it out.  ye | 09/18/07
All Vista bashers are wrong!!  Oregon_Polar | 09/17/07
Iam not sure what constitues of Vista Basher...  mrOSX | 09/17/07
A Vista basher explination!  Oregon_Polar | 09/17/07
Well I have not bashed Vista..  mrOSX | 09/17/07
Windows Me never crashe on my systems  Chippolus | 09/17/07
Oh the pain!  Chippolus | 09/17/07
Well done ...  LoungeFlyX | 09/17/07
RE: Everything you've read about Vista DRM is wrong (Part 1)  robellis1945@... | 09/17/07
Whom to Believe?  robellis1945@... | 09/17/07
Driver Signing  s_souche | 09/17/07
To add to you comment about poorly argued..  mrOSX | 09/17/07
Driver signing  laura.b | 09/17/07
driver signing  s_souche | 09/18/07
Clarification noted NT  laura.b | 09/18/07
RE: Everything you've read about Vista DRM is wrong (Part 1)  BioEd2002@... | 09/17/07
RE: Everything you've read about Vista DRM is wrong (Part 1)  Quantum Rift | 09/17/07
I LIKE AUDIO CASSETTES A LOT  BALTHOR | 09/17/07
perhaps he used a page from the MS book of fud  howardweatherly | 09/17/07
Vista and Video slowdown  Raymond Danner | 09/17/07
ED BOTT Vista hook line and sinker! - NT  raycote | 09/17/07
NT? More like NP  rtk | 09/17/07
From what I see  ballscrew bob | 09/17/07
That's not it at all.  ye | 09/17/07
compare Microsoft's specification of AES with Gutmans paper  stevey_d | 09/18/07
Ed's already done that. No need for me to repeat.  ye | 09/18/07
if you read one of my posts above you'll find my list, but here it is again  stevey_d | 09/18/07
Content protection or not a lot of people will have to upgrade.  ye | 09/18/07
S/PDIF (So what is Gutmann talking about?)  Mri Fjukvara | 09/17/07
RE: Everything you've read about Vista DRM is wrong (Part 1)  nomorems | 09/17/07
Who cares about DRM?  The_Curmudgeon | 09/17/07
ZDNet at fault!!!!  Narg | 09/17/07
Message has been deleted.  X41 | 09/17/07
Huh, everything I've read  middle of nowhere | 09/17/07
Doesn't Matter Who's Right...  msspurlock2 | 09/17/07
I still won't consider vista, ever.  kraterz | 09/17/07
Vista DRM isn't the real issue to worry about!  SentryWatch | 09/17/07
Ed Bott - Important omissions from the shilling  whisperycat | 09/18/07
Nothing to do with Vista  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 09/18/07
It is to do with Vista since the DRM is embodied in the product  stevey_d | 09/18/07
Sigh  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 09/18/07
Your title is "Everything you've read about Vista *DRM* is wrong"  stevey_d | 09/18/07
And this is not "Vista DRM"  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 09/18/07
Is Vista not made by Microsoft. The article talks about "microsoft DRM"  stevey_d | 09/18/07
Be Careful Ed  ParadigmOdyssey | 09/18/07
Wrong  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 09/18/07
Real Facts  ParadigmOdyssey | 09/18/07
I've provided many facts  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 09/18/07
I'll Be Reading  ParadigmOdyssey | 09/18/07
RE: Everything you've read about Vista DRM is wrong (Part 1)  mithraigor@... | 09/18/07
Ha ha ha  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 09/18/07
What does your link have to do with anything?  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 09/19/07
Well it's a good thing the real world works on facts and not...  ye | 09/18/07
what specifically is rejected in Gutmanns report  stevey_d | 09/18/07
24 hours later and counting. Don't see anything from mrOSX  ye | 09/18/07
Logic-chopping and Clintonesque parsing of the word "will"  dpbsmith | 09/18/07
No, you have it all wrong  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 09/18/07
RE: Everything you've read about Vista DRM is wrong (Part 1)  KeithIrwin | 09/18/07
And lest we forget...  zkiwi | 09/18/07
disingenuous  rtk | 09/18/07
Bug in what sense?  zkiwi | 09/18/07
In the obvious and admitted sense.  rtk | 09/19/07
context switches  zoroaster | 10/05/07
Nice work, Mr. Bott  chas_2 | 09/18/07
Missing the forest for the trees  pyrr | 09/18/07
why does this article sound so angry  hapbt | 09/18/07
Hmmm. sounds very familar to some of the ZDNet offerings.  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 09/18/07
either way, nothing to do with a performance hit, correct? (nt)  rtk | 09/18/07
That's Telling Them Ed, Enough With the MS Haters!  Solid Jedi Knight | 09/18/07
"anyone knows the source code"  Absolutely | 09/21/07
Atacking the messenger....  thungurknifur | 10/05/07
careful about cpu speed facts  jeskeca | 09/20/07
Thanks  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 09/20/07
Think we might be missing the point  bicard | 09/20/07
Nope  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 09/21/07
ED, i dont disagree ed but .....  bicard | 09/22/07
Seems you are attacking a straw man  wellsoul2@... | 09/23/07
Peter Guttman  bill@... | 09/21/07
peter gutman isn't a journalist or an academic.  rtk | 09/21/07
Nice try, but...  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 09/21/07
Hello!  bill@... | 09/21/07
RE: Everything you've read about Vista DRM is wrong (Part 1)  chuck@... | 10/04/07
RE: Everything you've read about Vista DRM is wrong (Part 1)  philami@... | 10/04/07
A title containing "Everything you've read..... is wrong"  Ole Man | 10/04/07
not quite ...  zoroaster | 10/05/07
You are right..... Obviously  Ole Man | 10/05/07
Tx. ole man  On Site PC | 10/10/07
I still don't know ...  zoroaster | 10/05/07
I was using "the right Vista drivers." You are very frustrating  jgwinner | 10/08/07
See my other answer  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 10/10/07
Ed Bott = MS Paid  knowledgefreak | 10/10/07
???  rtk | 10/10/07
Ed, I have Vista Ultimate sitting right here  x-windows user | 10/10/07
Nothing says "I'm a troll"...  rtk | 10/10/07
Watch you own script?  On Site PC | 10/10/07
No inconsistency  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 10/11/07
Ad hominem attacks show you're running scared  steve.glass@... | 10/10/07
Ad hominem? Do you even know what that means?  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 10/11/07
Every thing you read about Windoes DRM is Right  xenophed | 11/01/07
RE: Everything you've read about Vista DRM is wrong (Part 1)  philami@... | 11/02/07

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