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I dont understand...
Is the document is a review of Microsoft's Spec (FROM Microsoft) and one of Ed's big items is from an article not written by Peter, but a reporter and from looking at the statement, it looks like the reporter condensed 2 or 3 sentences to one, and made it sound like something Peter said. If you read Peter's article he does not say this. And now he is leaving out some the story again, Peter was planning on posting his slides when he got back home, but ZDNet bloggers couldnt be patient and wait and George made the statement
"Peter Gutmann has posted a slam at the top of his ?research? paper that I didn?t wait for his slides. I find it funny that he has time to write a paragraph slamming me but he doesn?t have time to post the slides and he doesn?t have time to post any data to support his theories. So far he?s only asked others to provide data since he hasn?t touched Vista yet.]"

Well I dont know if that is a slam, it sounds like the truth,
maybe George his slides were not with him and were on his system at home(It's easy to download a document from the web modify it and upload it back) however if dont have the slides with you, it's tough to upload them. Ed I find you and Georges blogging on this subject extremely poor

And I dont blame Peter for not posting (I am disappointed) since you (ED and George) just fling FUD about everything he sez anyway.
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Where are the real scientists?  MisterGilles | 08/16/07
There is very little  frgough | 08/28/07
These claims sounded good  mtgarden | 08/16/07
DRM must die !  MisterGilles | 08/16/07
I dont understand...  mrlinux | 08/16/07
All we want is proof that Gutman  mtgarden | 08/16/07
I have 2 issues....  mrlinux | 08/16/07
Vista was released in November  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 08/16/07
November was for Business not General for everyone  mrlinux | 08/16/07
It was widely available  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 08/16/07
That brings up all the other problems with his claims.  odubtaig | 08/16/07
No where does Peter Claim what you posted...  mrlinux | 08/16/07
Really?  odubtaig | 08/17/07
Then please apply that same logic  zkiwi | 08/16/07
Glad you articulated and emphsized  xuniL_z | 08/16/07
What makes you think I was including  zkiwi | 08/16/07
It was the way  xuniL_z | 08/16/07
Message has been deleted.  Non_Zealot | 08/16/07
asking for empirical date is not spreading FUD  MisterGilles | 08/16/07
Asking for Data is not a bad thing...  mrlinux | 08/16/07
You know what I really love about that quote?  odubtaig | 08/16/07
Proof should have been offered in the beginning  laura.b | 08/16/07
Well lets look at Peter Statement's  mrlinux | 08/16/07
Whats to understand? Guttman is a raving lunatic.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/16/07
Nah  zkiwi | 08/16/07
You have nothing to worry about  xuniL_z | 08/16/07
Still delusional then?  zkiwi | 08/16/07
whatever  xuniL_z | 08/16/07
much like yourself and others here on ZDNET NO-Ax.  Non_Zealot | 08/16/07
CodeWarrior.  xuniL_z | 08/16/07
Your head is in the sand ...  ShadeTree | 08/16/07
So...  zkiwi | 08/16/07
Don't change the subject.  ShadeTree | 08/17/07
And yet...  zkiwi | 08/17/07
Misdirection is not working!!!  ShadeTree | 08/17/07
Well...  zkiwi | 08/17/07
Your still trying to ...  ShadeTree | 08/17/07
It's all about equal opportunity  zkiwi | 08/17/07
DRM is dead  voska | 08/17/07
This surprises you? Standard ABMer tactic  ye | 08/16/07
Nice NBM FUD Tactic  Rick_K | 08/16/07
What a loser  laura.b | 08/16/07
He got his data from microsoft's specs  zkiwi | 08/16/07
he never had data and admited it, but the media sucked it up  georgeou | 08/16/07
He certainly had Microsoft SPEC..  mrlinux | 08/16/07
Not only that...  Wolfie2K3 | 08/17/07
Yes, he asked other people to confirm his theory.  georgeou | 08/17/07
Excellent points but...  dfolk | 08/16/07
True yet...  MisterGilles | 08/16/07
You're kidding, right?  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 08/16/07
Industry  MisterGilles | 08/16/07
The Spec in question is a tech. <ocument...  mrlinux | 08/16/07
Is this personnel thing now between gutmann and zdnet  bicard | 08/16/07
No, it's not personal  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 08/16/07
Here is one of the Claims your buddy George makes.  mrlinux | 08/16/07
I heard you the first time  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 08/16/07
Well that was sure a well....  mrlinux | 08/16/07
He as answered that same post from you ....  ShadeTree | 08/17/07
he has never given a real answer...  mrlinux | 08/17/07
Broken record  ConradPoitras@... | 08/16/07
The Broken records are George and Ed...  mrlinux | 08/16/07
You forgot to mention:  ConradPoitras@... | 08/17/07
It seems to be personal otherwise whi didn;t  deaf_e_kate | 08/16/07
Thanks for the editoral advice, but...  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 08/16/07
Maybe his slides are on his home system....  mrlinux | 08/16/07
HEY STUPID  James T. Kirk | 08/17/07
Relevant?  zkiwi | 08/16/07
ok  xuniL_z | 08/17/07
Duh  zkiwi | 08/17/07
wel.....  xuniL_z | 08/17/07
Perhaps it's a literacy problem on your part  zkiwi | 08/18/07
ooh  xuniL_z | 08/18/07
re: Thanks  deaf_e_kate | 08/17/07
It is personal  Rick_K | 08/16/07
Ed, parts of it are true, you never replied  TripleII | 08/16/07
Add one other cost...  mrlinux | 08/16/07
It goes on from there.  TripleII | 08/16/07
Unless it works drastically differently from the stuff in TVs and players..  odubtaig | 08/16/07
what ever  LinuxandMacforlife | 08/18/07
We can agree on one thing for sure.  xuniL_z | 08/20/07
Sigh  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 08/16/07
geez  CobraA1 | 08/16/07
Amazing  TripleII | 08/16/07
You're barking up the wrong tree  georgeou | 08/16/07
You are right, but we can't wait until too late  TripleII | 08/16/07
Huh?  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 08/16/07
It's simple  TripleII | 08/16/07
Nothing to do with Windows  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 08/16/07
And furthermore...  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 08/16/07
I strongly disagree  TripleII | 08/16/07
Oh give me a break  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 08/16/07
For tech savvy, what's so hard to understand about watermarking  TripleII | 08/16/07
The troble with watermarking  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 08/17/07
great reply Ed.  xuniL_z | 08/17/07
RE:"Your enemy is the MPAA and the Movie Studios, get a grip!"  Non_Zealot | 08/16/07
And if your PC doesn't have a modem  No_Ax_to_Grind | 08/16/07
Why do you bother?  TripleII | 08/16/07
Hating DRM does not give anyone the right to lie  NonZealot | 08/16/07
No I don't defend defamation.  TripleII | 08/16/07
Another strawman arguement.  ShadeTree | 08/17/07
Doesn't fly  TripleII | 08/17/07
Does fly!  ShadeTree | 08/17/07
Don't forget the Interpol warning as well.  xuniL_z | 08/17/07
oops, last reply was for tripell, not you. sorry  xuniL_z | 08/17/07
Yes, still doesn't affect Fair Use  TripleII | 08/17/07
Sorry Triplell, you are wrong  NonZealot | 08/17/07
Triplell, that restriction applies to every device  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 08/18/07
But Peter is not the one doing the lying ...  mrlinux | 08/17/07
I'd like to see ICT test results  CobraA1 | 08/16/07
Me too but for a different reason  Johnny Vegas | 08/16/07
Working on doing that  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 08/16/07
thanks ed  bicard | 08/16/07
I'd also like to see ICT flag on testing  bicard | 08/16/07
Gutmann's FUD is no...  bjbrock | 08/16/07
Although...  zkiwi | 08/16/07
who knew?  xuniL_z | 08/19/07
Biff?  zkiwi | 08/19/07
Well  xuniL_z | 08/19/07
I guess you didn't read my post  xuniL_z | 08/20/07
No, it's better you didn't.  xuniL_z | 08/21/07
He probably has tenure so no need for proof  otaddy | 08/16/07
Sounds like he wants money to respond.  Been_Done_Before | 08/16/07
He wants money for research and a 27" HDMI HDCP display  georgeou | 08/16/07
OS community should fund him  otaddy | 08/16/07
George you dont seem to know much about research either...  mrlinux | 08/16/07
It is also apparent  zkiwi | 08/16/07
What New Z thing did George misinterpret?  otaddy | 08/16/07
Well...  zkiwi | 08/16/07
Brit's are generally ....  ShadeTree | 08/17/07
Whatever  zkiwi | 08/17/07
I mis read nothing!  ShadeTree | 08/17/07
Where  xuniL_z | 08/17/07
Your lack of comprehension...  zkiwi | 08/17/07
whatever.  xuniL_z | 08/18/07
Well then...  zkiwi | 08/18/07
Ok, give me the RESOURCES  Old Timer 8080 | 08/17/07
FUD is as FUD does  zaine_ridling | 08/18/07
I've done plenty of MS FUD-busting  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 08/18/07
"just asking for the proof"  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 08/18/07
RE: "just asking for the proof"  ruped24 | 08/18/07
It's FUD  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 08/18/07
RE: "It's FUD" -- NO, it's a research!  ruped24 | 08/18/07
Erm...  zkiwi | 08/18/07
Go talk to George  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 08/18/07
you are probably getting a lot of overflow comments from his article...  jjarman | 08/18/07
No zkiwi. You need to stop right now on that one.  xuniL_z | 08/20/07
*whoosh*  zkiwi | 08/21/07
Erm...  xuniL_z | 08/21/07
RE: I've done plenty of MS FUD-busting  ruped24 | 08/18/07
How is this bashing F/OSS?  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 08/18/07
Ed, is this FUD?  ruped24 | 08/18/07
No, that's whining  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 08/18/07
RE: How is this bashing F/OSS?  ruped24 | 08/18/07
Just maybe ...  ruped24 | 08/18/07
When the shark bites  Ole Man | 08/19/07
Speaking of sharks.  xuniL_z | 08/21/07
The fud on this thread  Ole Man | 08/28/07
What have we got here really?  Freebird54 | 08/20/07
Well said!  zkiwi | 08/21/07
please  xuniL_z | 08/21/07
zkiwi, again why do you need to open and close bolding to print nothing?  xuniL_z | 08/21/07
Be careful..... watch your back!  Ole Man | 08/28/07
Security Now  jorjitop | 08/20/07
paranoia continues .... ...  Open_Sauce | 08/28/07

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