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Ed - clarification
Ed, you say this issue doesn't affect OEM systems (which was my understanding also) but in the image you show an OEM product key ... is the image purely "illustrative"?
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Ed - clarification  Adrian Kingsley-Hughes ZDNet Moderator | 07/26/07
It's not an SLP installation  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 07/26/07
One More VISTA/Microsoft Activation Farce  miketebo | 07/26/07
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India Support  Xi8iT x | 07/30/07
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Three months, and still takes it into account?  Leria | 07/27/07
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The tighter they sqeeze...  Beat a Dead Horse | 07/27/07
Non-issue for this CIO...  Mike Cox | 07/26/07
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Salute to Mike, very suave ...  terry flores | 07/26/07
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Correction  Ole Man | 07/27/07
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The Root of the problem is.................  Ole Man | 07/27/07
Contracts  frgough | 07/27/07
On Contracts  HouseOfZen | 07/27/07
US 7th Circuit Court of Appeals  terry flores | 07/27/07
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Ah! But the little guy (us)...  cheesyone | 07/28/07
Or...  cashaww | 07/28/07
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clarification  bubblesroe@... | 07/27/07
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MS motherlode  blackRiver | 07/27/07
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Slowly cooking the frog  TripleII | 07/27/07
I agree totally,  Arkyn1 | 07/27/07
EULAs  DNSB | 07/28/07
Are you responding to something?  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 07/27/07
They don't add up anymore.  TripleII | 07/27/07
That link has nothing rto do with DRM  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 07/27/07
It is completely DRM related.  TripleII | 07/27/07
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Here's where we disagree  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 07/29/07
I bet you'll defend M$ all the way to your grave!  cheesyone | 07/28/07
You've already been boiled  Ole Man | 07/27/07
You'll have to explain  NonZealot | 07/27/07
Message has been deleted.  frgough | 07/27/07
How do you translate?  Ole Man | 07/27/07
This may be true...  cashaww | 07/28/07
So, uh, you're a thief?  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 07/28/07
Why would he?  cheesyone | 07/28/07
Reading the wrong EULA?  Ole Man | 07/29/07
Trend Line Analysis  joe.smetona@... | 07/27/07
Or, as I think more one it  TripleII | 07/27/07
Great Idea!  joe.smetona@... | 07/27/07
Anyone think you're not renting software already?  gordon@... | 07/27/07
MS license terms and conditions are rigid  intrepi@... | 07/27/07
It is your computer  NonZealot | 07/27/07
Or...  cashaww | 07/28/07
It happens on OEM systems too!  mickeyc@... | 07/27/07
Can you contact me offline?  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 07/27/07
Microsoft undocumented assumptions/secrets causinge bugs; DELL contracts  PhilippeV | 07/28/07
Why such event may have occured  PhilippeV | 07/28/07
final note: licences and contracts.  PhilippeV | 07/28/07
Why am I not surprised  josjoslyn | 07/27/07
Message has been deleted.  Davidwed1@... | 07/27/07
Windows Vista activation  Crossfire | 07/27/07
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Hey Ed  stanj.miranda@... | 07/28/07
UpDate Repair WOES__MS OFFICE 2000  russelleeadams | 07/28/07
A suggestion...  joe.smetona@... | 07/28/07
Higher Authority  joe.smetona@... | 07/28/07
The other side.  joe.smetona@... | 07/28/07
More hardware and software policing by...  tek_heretik | 07/28/07
Vista Reactivation  UKboy66 | 07/28/07
Good question  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 07/28/07
Mfg Test problem  prw3505 | 07/28/07
GOT TIRED OF THE FOOLISHNESS  lemont1@... | 07/29/07
Yes!  msdead | 07/30/07
Activation Woes  gregmorgan@... | 07/29/07
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Inner workings  joe.smetona@... | 07/30/07
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BTW  msdead | 07/30/07
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Vista Activation  ebayironman | 07/31/07
XP Support  ebayironman | 07/31/07
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