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My Toshiba laptop came with McAfee
I imagine that was my initial problem, because when I first fired up Vista when I got the thing, it was a dog. But this past weekend I restored from the factory DVDs, but then immediately uninstalled McAfee and installed AVG in its place, plus I uninstalled several bits of crapware, plus I updated some drivers and installed patches via Windows Update. Huge difference. It's getting there.

I'm still underwhelmed by certain things I expected to be overwhelmed by, like Aero. But other things I did not expect to impress me did, like the updated Windows Explorer interface. And the media center, while not the best I've seen, certainly falls under the "good enough" category, and its ease of installation and configuration should make it popular.
Posted by: Michael Kelly   Posted on: 06/14/07 You are currently: a Guest | Members login | Terms of Use
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My Toshiba laptop came with McAfee  Michael Kelly | 06/14/07
Thanks Ed  NonZealot | 06/14/07
Vista was delayed for years with many feature removed...  RicD_ | 06/14/07
Hey, what about the Linux zealots?  Logics | 06/14/07
Speaking of Zealots  Rick_K | 06/17/07
Dude!!!  Laff | 06/15/07
The sad thing is I was proven right  NonZealot | 06/15/07
I see you're up to your old tricks again.  Rick_K | 06/16/07
Even my cheap $700 do-it-yourself has gigabit  georgeou | 06/14/07
This one came with a DVI adapter  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 06/14/07
Ah sorry, didn't see that card it came with  georgeou | 06/14/07
Also it's a small form factor  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 06/14/07
Fair enough  georgeou | 06/14/07
Yes, this one's very quiet  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 06/14/07
If HD, Save Your x1 Slot  phillfri | 06/18/07
Thanks for the pointer  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 06/19/07
think before talk  xub0 | 06/21/07
Day 3  Harry Bardal | 06/14/07
Once again distorting facts  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 06/14/07
Harry has been desperate for a long time.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/14/07
Macs are Free  Harry Bardal | 06/14/07
Okay, lets talk again!  NonZealot | 06/14/07
Zing! (NT)  John Zern | 06/14/07
An understanding you apparently lack  John Zern | 06/14/07
Harry, pass the joint, dude...  Chippolus | 06/15/07
Well harry i see many mac's come into my shop  SO.CAL Guy | 06/15/07
Harry...Harry...Harry...  Wolfie2K3 | 06/15/07
Um....I like your enthusiasim but I don't think this helps.  Laff | 06/15/07
Are you kidding?  anthony@... | 06/16/07
If your's was free, then mine...  Dr. John | 06/18/07
Dell's Promise  Harry Bardal | 06/14/07
You would have a point if Apple was perfect  NonZealot | 06/14/07
We'll never know  Harry Bardal | 06/14/07
Glad you can admit Macs are hackable  NonZealot | 06/14/07
Great idea. You do it.  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 06/15/07
Refurbished  zkiwi | 06/14/07
Yes, it seems only fair  NonZealot | 06/14/07
Spank!  Dr. John | 06/18/07
Sigh  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 06/15/07
Not to mention you could have had an ....  ShadeTree | 06/15/07
Fun  Harry Bardal | 06/15/07
You must be a fun guy to hang around!  NonZealot | 06/15/07
Gee, Harry  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 06/15/07
Ed...  rapson | 06/15/07
My Issue  Harry Bardal | 06/15/07
It was a minor issue to me  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 06/15/07
Ed, you did lose days of "productive time"  jacarter3 | 06/15/07
Have you recently tried a PC  mgrubb@... | 06/15/07
Well Said, Mgrubb...  Chippolus | 06/15/07
Blind Devotion  mgrubb@... | 06/15/07
Yes  Harry Bardal | 06/15/07
It is truly sad...  NonZealot | 06/15/07
BS  mgrubb@... | 06/15/07
DEC....  Wolfie2K3 | 06/15/07
Other Peoples Money  Harry Bardal | 06/15/07
Yes, what BS  MacCanuck | 06/19/07
harry i do run a business and we only use PC's  SO.CAL Guy | 06/15/07
Knock it off with the....  magpie_z | 06/15/07
Don't know what you did  Freebird54 | 06/17/07
What country would that be Harry?  ShadeTree | 06/18/07
Challenge met, now what?  Dr. John | 06/18/07
Have you recently tried a Mac?  Rick_K | 06/16/07
Deadline?  big red one | 06/15/07
Guess I should have read the entire thread...  forbes9000 | 06/15/07
You have bigger problems than platform  forbes9000 | 06/15/07
wanna talk lost productivity...  leupole | 06/17/07
Competitive alternative  Mectron | 06/14/07
My friend has a new Gateway with Vista...  Logics | 06/14/07
Reality isn't kind to you  NonZealot | 06/14/07
excellent reply i could not agree more!  Mectron | 06/14/07
And in other news  zkiwi | 06/14/07
Not even a close comparison  NonZealot | 06/14/07
What free product?  spotvin | 06/15/07
Visual Studio Express  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 06/15/07
Not that I care much about Macs but...  maldain | 06/15/07
I wasn't the one to place the requirement  NonZealot | 06/15/07
Yeah you would....:P  Laff | 06/17/07
NBM membership.  Rick_K | 06/16/07
I think such extreme Zelotry points to either a pesonal  Laff | 06/17/07
Not likely  Freebird54 | 06/17/07
A better idea  Rick_K | 06/17/07
Want to really stress it out?  Suicida| | 06/15/07
That's coming soon  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 06/15/07
That's how it starts...  zbeauvais | 06/15/07
Just to clarify  zbeauvais | 06/15/07
Good article Ed  goat- | 06/15/07
Hp with Vista Ultimate  ja6965@... | 06/15/07
Vista permissions  odino@... | 06/15/07
You need to read up a little  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 06/15/07
SIDs and ACLs  mhenriday | 06/15/07
His option was the best choice  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 06/15/07
Thank you for clearing this up.  odino@... | 06/15/07
More details and why the restore?  brittonv | 06/15/07
Answers  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 06/15/07
Thanks, but...  brittonv | 06/15/07
Sorry  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 06/15/07
Sitting in an office doing nothing  hitechroadrunner | 06/15/07
Wow  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 06/15/07
Here's my Point Dude  hitechroadrunner | 06/15/07
This is going to BLOW your mind  NonZealot | 06/15/07
Duh?  hitechroadrunner | 06/15/07
Coputers are not for you  Freebird54 | 06/17/07
Dell BIOS: E521 as well  djhs@... | 06/15/07
Good idea  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 06/15/07
BIOS continued  djhs@... | 06/15/07
Bios Problems  mgrubb@... | 06/15/07
Why can't you  Freebird54 | 06/17/07
Yes, please copy me offline  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 06/15/07
What about us!  brittonv | 06/15/07
Point taken  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 06/15/07
now how about setting up dual booting?  whirrr | 06/15/07
Not on this machine  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 06/15/07
I had no problems whatsoever  Michael Kelly | 06/15/07
Wow.  Freebird54 | 06/17/07
quite a convoluted install!  whirrr | 06/20/07
Windows first, then Linux  mhenriday | 06/15/07
See my reply above  Michael Kelly | 06/15/07
Dual Boot? Why?  mgrubb@... | 06/15/07
Perhaps a lack of access  Freebird54 | 06/17/07
sounds familiar!  whirrr | 06/20/07
Grumble grumble McAfee  tBuggR | 06/15/07
Oops my mistake  hitechroadrunner | 06/15/07
Entertaining screens  big red one | 06/15/07
You figure correctly  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 06/15/07
Enjoying my E521  chuck_gregory@... | 06/15/07
Glad to hear  Freebird54 | 06/17/07
One good reason  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 06/17/07
Something to think about...  Narg | 06/15/07
Dell support great for me too  otaddy | 06/15/07
On a brand new computer...  wmlundine | 06/15/07
Why?  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 06/15/07
That's right  otaddy | 06/15/07
if this had been a computer ...  wmlundine | 06/19/07
Huh?  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 06/19/07
A note on testing . . .  CobraA1 | 06/15/07
"Vista on my new Dell--running . . ." links to "Apple plugs three . . ."  CobraA1 | 06/15/07
Vista on my new Dell--running . . .is really Day 4 or 5  jacarter3 | 06/15/07
Classy  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 06/15/07
But the bad links are AMAZING  j.m.galvin | 06/15/07
Please tell me the exact name I called?  jacarter3 | 06/15/07
I don't write the daily emails from ZDNet  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 06/15/07
Oh so this post response was about  jacarter3 | 06/18/07
Great . . .  CobraA1 | 06/15/07
I'm not an editor  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 06/15/07
I was able to reach a support person  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 06/15/07
Similar startup/ shutdown results w/Apple MB Pro  8string | 06/15/07
POST  mgrubb@... | 06/15/07
THIS TECH DID NOT REPLACE THE MOTHER BOARD  BALTHOR | 06/15/07
Whats the point of reading the discussions  RiggsFolly | 06/15/07
Some people like the give and take  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 06/15/07
Ok point taken  RiggsFolly | 06/15/07
Firewall setting for LAN  pklammer | 06/15/07
Are you running Vista?  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 06/15/07
Vista and file transfers affecting explorer?  david.huys@... | 06/15/07
Not copying...  Mike (not Cox) | 06/18/07
Unlocking files in XP / Vista  david.huys@... | 06/25/07
Month 3  viniyog5@... | 06/15/07
Greetings from Earth  Ole Man | 06/15/07
Ed Bott was Right!  joep1701 | 06/15/07
Fresh Bliss!  Vivek Nair | 06/15/07
Rule #1 never update bios unless need to  Randalllind | 06/16/07
Yep the other day  TonyMcS | 06/17/07
BS Alert! BS Alert!  Rick_K | 06/17/07
Doctor I have all those symptoms  ebudae@... | 06/18/07
Install from issues for a new OS  Jerry M. Gartner | 06/18/07
Hardware problem  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 06/18/07
Install from issues for a new OS  Jerry M. Gartner | 06/18/07
Patience!  dthoopes@... | 06/18/07
User Experience  ray1973_2000@... | 06/18/07
Vista UI delays  Jim Johnson | 06/18/07
Out of the Box Works, BUT . . .  phillfri | 06/18/07
Sorry, no  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 06/18/07
Agree to a point . ..  Elle_ | 06/19/07
Well how is it doing now?  p71@... | 06/19/07
Yes  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 06/19/07
Net installment  Ed Bott ZDNet Moderator | 06/21/07

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