World without DRM
dragosani | 01/05/07
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well..
nmh | 01/05/07
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Ed - I think your examples are all wrong
bportlock | 01/05/07
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People pay to watch TV...
Anton Philidor | 01/05/07
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I've considered doing that too
voska | 01/05/07
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Nobody really wants to
Linux User 147560 | 01/05/07
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Nobody really wants to
Linux User 147560 | 01/05/07
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Ouch! (O/T)
bportlock | 01/05/07
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Thief!
Yagotta B. Kidding | 01/05/07
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That's not DRM
voska | 01/05/07
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I don't understand
Ed Bott | 01/05/07
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Just to clarify the discussion...
bportlock | 01/05/07
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Encryption is DRM
mdemuth | 01/05/07
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I don't agree with you...
bportlock | 01/05/07
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Kind of symantecs
mdemuth | 01/05/07
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You can tell this is a tech site....
tic swayback | 01/05/07
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LOL, I didn't even notice that
voska | 01/05/07
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There is management of what you do.
ShadeTree | 01/05/07
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DRM is not encryption
voska | 01/05/07
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Sort of. But encryption is DRM.
osreinstall | 01/06/07
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Not DRM either
Robert Crocker | 01/05/07
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My answers to your questions
Letophoro | 01/05/07
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So once it's decrypted...
Ed Bott | 01/05/07
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More clarifications
bportlock | 01/05/07
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Encryption is not a delivery mechanism
Ed Bott | 01/05/07
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You're playing with words Ed...
bportlock | 01/05/07
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I'm not playing with words
Ed Bott | 01/05/07
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It's not DRM...
bportlock | 01/06/07
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DRM can use encryption
voska | 01/05/07
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Re: Encryption is not a delivery mechanism
none none | 01/05/07
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VHS doesn't belong in this discussion
Ed Bott | 01/05/07
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VHS is only an example
bportlock | 01/05/07
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So finish the thought...
Ed Bott | 01/05/07
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Quality and the trade-off treatment
bportlock | 01/05/07
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I would agree and dis-agree....
ju1ce | 01/05/07
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That really doesn't matter
voska | 01/05/07
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Re: So once it's decrypted...
none none | 01/05/07
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You misunderstand
Ed Bott | 01/05/07
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Access and use.
Anton Philidor | 01/05/07
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Re: You misunderstand
none none | 01/05/07
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But encryption is _not_ DRM. Maybe this helps...
dave.leigh@... | 01/06/07
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After the decryption...
Letophoro | 01/05/07
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Legal vs technical
Ed Bott | 01/06/07
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Decrypted, not restricted
Ed Bott | 01/06/07
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Re: Legal vs technical
none none | 01/06/07
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Unreasonable expectations
bportlock | 01/07/07
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Obvious addendum
tic swayback | 01/07/07
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Obvious addendum
tic swayback | 01/07/07
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What are we really against?
top@... | 01/05/07
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Way off target, Ed.
none none | 01/05/07
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That's suicide for TV broadcasters
voska | 01/05/07
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Re: That's suicide for TV broadcasters
none none | 01/05/07
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The problem not concept but implementation
MWSherman | 01/05/07
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Simple Solution (for the umpteenth time...)
Roger Ramjet | 01/05/07
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Big hassle
voska | 01/05/07
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A correction...
Ed Bott | 01/05/07
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No objections to encrypted content delivery
John L. Ries | 01/05/07
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The true reality of DRM
Kaleld | 01/05/07
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And further to this...
Lyf | 01/07/07
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Speaking of TV business models
none none | 01/05/07
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Yes, I know the history
Ed Bott | 01/05/07
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Makes the recent issue...
Anton Philidor | 01/05/07
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Perhaps a better distinction
tic swayback | 01/05/07
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"Heavy restrictions"
Ed Bott | 01/05/07
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Re: "Heavy restrictions"
none none | 01/05/07
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Which copyright law?
Ed Bott | 01/05/07
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The DMCA is not the copyright law
voska | 01/05/07
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Re: Which copyright law?
none none | 01/05/07
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Re: Which copyright law?
none none | 01/05/07
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Do light restrictions exist?
voska | 01/05/07
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Can you be more specific?
Ed Bott | 01/05/07
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Copyright laws and DMCA
voska | 01/05/07
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Not copyright law?
Ed Bott | 01/05/07
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Current copyright law is Title 17 of the United States Code
Edward Meyers | 01/05/07
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Thank you
Ed Bott | 01/05/07
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It's becuse this is offensive
Edward Meyers | 01/06/07
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Thanks for sharing
Ed Bott | 01/06/07
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Re: It's becuse this is offensive
none none | 01/06/07
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I'll give it a shot
tic swayback | 01/05/07
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Re: I'll give it a shot
none none | 01/05/07
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One more suggestion
tic swayback | 01/05/07
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Agreed on this one
deaf_e_kate | 01/06/07
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The DRM price point & device glut
MaxPerino | 01/05/07
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Implicit Contract
jtmodel | 01/05/07
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Piracy.
slopoke | 01/07/07
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A QUESTION OF OWNERSHIP
BALTHOR | 01/05/07
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Ed - Think about your title...
bportlock | 01/05/07
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Different eras
Ed Bott | 01/05/07
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1991
voska | 01/05/07
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I said "duplicate"
Ed Bott | 01/05/07
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DAT payers weren't that expensive
Edward Meyers | 01/05/07
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You mean like a Sony Mini-Disc?
Ed Bott | 01/05/07
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The profesional recorders were in the $800+ range
Edward Meyers | 01/06/07
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Your point...?
dave.leigh@... | 01/06/07
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Don't even have to go back that far
voska | 01/05/07
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The biggest problem with DRM: Renewability
tic swayback | 01/05/07
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DRM is Pervasive
Harry Bardal | 01/05/07
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Another huge issue with DRM
tic swayback | 01/05/07
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It's a subscription service
Ed Bott | 01/05/07
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What about purchased songs?
tic swayback | 01/05/07
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I don't know
Ed Bott | 01/05/07
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Berlind knows
Edward Meyers | 01/07/07
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What about a purchased car?
osreinstall | 01/06/07
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Buyer beware indeed
tic swayback | 01/07/07
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You have to accept it.
osreinstall | 01/07/07
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No you don't
Edward Meyers | 01/07/07
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Re: You have to accept it.
none none | 01/07/07
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Sorry you two. There are no guarantees in life.
osreinstall | 01/07/07
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I have to add.
osreinstall | 01/07/07
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It is called an unconscionable contract and there is legal recourse
Edward Meyers | 01/07/07
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OSReinstall--you are wrong
tic swayback | 01/07/07
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Meyers, go file a class action lawsuit since you care so much.
osreinstall | 01/07/07
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No Tic, you are.
osreinstall | 01/07/07
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OSReinstall--you just proved my point
tic swayback | 01/07/07
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Your point is to complain about it
osreinstall | 01/07/07
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Except unconscionable contracts are not enforceable
Edward Meyers | 01/08/07
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My point goes well beyond that
tic swayback | 01/08/07
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Sorry Ed. It is law
osreinstall | 01/08/07
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Naw, you are still stuck in gripe mode, Tic.
osreinstall | 01/08/07
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What would you have me do?
tic swayback | 01/08/07
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Boycott it.
osreinstall | 01/08/07
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Re: Except unconscionable contracts are not enforceable
none none | 01/08/07
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Why punish those doing right?
tic swayback | 01/08/07
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re: none none
osreinstall | 01/08/07
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Because all modern music is awful.
osreinstall | 01/08/07
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Tastes will vary
tic swayback | 01/08/07
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They sure do.
osreinstall | 01/08/07
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Supporting sustainable models
tic swayback | 01/08/07
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No control over your product is unsustainable.
osreinstall | 01/08/07
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Okay, now that I have stopped lauging
Edward Meyers | 01/08/07
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Whatever dude but I will try to explain it.
osreinstall | 01/08/07
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DRMed music IS being pirated
tic swayback | 01/09/07
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No it isn't. It is locked to the purchaser's machine.
osreinstall | 01/09/07
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MS' DRM is just as pirated
tic swayback | 01/09/07
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Dream on.
osreinstall | 01/09/07
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re: Another huge issue with DRM
deaf_e_kate | 01/06/07
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Here are some answers
tic swayback | 01/08/07
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Flawed Thinking Ed
e_blind81@... | 01/08/07
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EMI abandons DRM
tic swayback | 01/08/07
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