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Trust me, I do know Exchange Backup
I have designed dozens of backup scenarios that made use of VSS integration with storage arrays point in time copy applications (HP's Business Copy or EMC's Timefinder for example) to do regular hourly or on the 1/3 hour running backups throughout the day and even one with CDC allowing for to-the-second restore. I have been working on D2D2T projects for over 7 years, and do know a bit about it. I will admit I haven't done any Exchange projects in the last 8 months however, so my information may be a little out of date. Having worked with Microsoft since Windows version 1.10 though, I doubt they've fixed everything since last spring.
By the nature of your post I am guessing you've little experience with large Exchange environments because they do get corruption, it's a question of when not if, and when you are talking uptime, it comes down to how quickly it's found and corrected. Your mention of The way I go about not missing emails is by using a store and forward from my ISP. If my server goes down, they take all my email for me and then once I am back up they ship all the email to our server leaving us with no lost emails. is another indication. Global enterprises typically don't go through an ISP for mail services, they would have their own presence on the network, so in effect they are their own ISP. Imagine getting a notice from Microsoft that their mail server was down and try resending later to get an idea of the importance of keeping email running. One of the recommendations I always make if to keep datastores to less than 500GB, usually 150-200GB, and have several of them. This makes recovering or restoring them faster and easier to manage, even if it makes more work for the SAN administrator. I am always horrified when I hear customers discussing 2TB datastores, that's a recipe for disaster (those are the 20 hours downtime cases).
Lastly, I gave that example (even if it is 9 years old) because it was rather traumatic for me, I was berated by the customer for being right. He felt I hadn't insisted strongly enough...

Remember, just because you are successful racing go-karts doesn't mean you can compete in Formula One.
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Umm  frgough | 11/15/08
You do know...  914four | 11/17/08
Ummm......Backup is the answer  daMan25 | 11/17/08
Trust me, I do know Exchange Backup  914four | 11/17/08
Mythical Creatures  Dr. John | 11/17/08
I agree  914four | 11/17/08
No thanks!  Dr. John | 11/20/08
Bad numbers  GeiselS@... | 11/15/08
That depends.  914four | 11/17/08
Thanks  bmfraley@... | 11/17/08
RE: How much does Exchange really cost?  compsrt | 11/15/08
RE:How ... ?  n0neXn0ne | 11/16/08
How much...  914four | 11/17/08
The article is misleading.  ye | 11/15/08
As you said, they have a vested interest  Pliny the Elder | 11/15/08
RE: ... vested interest -- ing, ...  n0neXn0ne | 11/16/08
M$ partner or Not.....  daMan25 | 11/17/08
If you bothered to read the whole article  bmerc | 11/18/08
RE: How much does Exchange really cost?  Merrr | 11/15/08
RE: ...does ... cost?  n0neXn0ne | 11/16/08
re: evils of Outlook  Badgered | 11/17/08
Users always go with what is...  914four | 11/17/08
Poor planning  trent1 | 11/17/08
RE: How much does Exchange really cost?  skillaid | 11/15/08
RE: How much ... really ...?  n0neXn0ne | 11/16/08
RE: How much does Exchange really cost?  Brent R Brian | 11/15/08
Apples to Apples  happyharry_z | 11/15/08
Three nines  daengbo | 11/17/08
Goodgle cant be trusted  Aussie_Troll | 11/15/08
RE:Goodgle cant be trusted ... along with  n0neXn0ne | 11/16/08
OUTLOOK 2003 VL comes FREE w/ EXCHANGE LICENSE and other wrong data.....  xuniL_z | 11/15/08
RE: ...wrong data.....  n0neXn0ne | 11/16/08
We don't know their exact requirements.  ye | 11/16/08
RE: ... their exact requirements. ...  n0neXn0ne | 11/16/08
Your point? nt  ye | 11/16/08
RE: Your point?? It's been asked before ...  n0neXn0ne | 11/16/08
Again I ask: What is your point? nt  ye | 11/16/08
You're wasting your time...  bmerc | 11/18/08
Was that the Auto Warehouse company?  xuniL_z | 11/16/08
Jaffe Associates  ye | 11/17/08
It seems pretty straightforward to me...  914four | 11/18/08
Nope. Sorry if you interpreted it that way.  xuniL_z | 11/16/08
A complex setup  trent1 | 11/17/08
We need more details.  ye | 11/17/08
The person went on to say:  ye | 11/16/08
Yes, i did read that.  xuniL_z | 11/16/08
I think the point being is the numbers are extremely high.  ye | 11/17/08
There's a ton of crack being smoked by Serena...  Wolfie2K3 | 11/17/08
They're quoting $53,600 for CALs? No. They aren't.  bmerc | 11/18/08
nice numbers  trent1 | 11/17/08
Lies, damn lies and statistics  914four | 11/18/08
RE: How much does Exchange really cost?  isaac@... | 11/15/08
RE:How much ... Exchange ... cost?  n0neXn0ne | 11/16/08
Pardon me.  xuniL_z | 11/16/08
Everyone on this board ...  n0neXn0ne | 11/16/08
It's not an apple to apples comparison.  ye | 11/16/08
RE: It's ... an apple to apples comparison.  n0neXn0ne | 11/16/08
Not in this instance.  ye | 11/16/08
RE: ... in this instance. ...  n0neXn0ne | 11/16/08
Apparently the hosted Exchange solution by $134,800.  ye | 11/16/08
...  n0neXn0ne | 11/16/08
@n0neXn0ne: You didn't answer my question. Let me repeat it:  ye | 11/16/08
I'll see your pointless rhetoric and raise you...  Wolfie2K3 | 11/17/08
Serena NEVER MADE THIS CLAIM  bmerc | 11/18/08
Projects On Demand replaces Microsoft Project as well..  Marc O'Brien | 11/16/08
RE: How much does Exchange really cost?  kyle.arteaga | 11/16/08
$1,000,000 per YEAR for 800 users?  ye | 11/16/08
At least give the guy the courtesy  thelivo | 11/16/08
Specifically how did you reach that conclusion?  ye | 11/17/08
My guess is he assumed so...  bmerc | 11/18/08
Okey Dokey...  Wolfie2K3 | 11/17/08
Perhaps...  914four | 11/18/08
RE: How much does Exchange really cost?  dehaaspeter | 11/16/08
RE: ... Exchange ... cost?  n0neXn0ne | 11/16/08
number crunching  dehaaspeter | 11/16/08
nOneXnOne = JERK  Patanjali | 11/16/08
RE: ...  n0neXn0ne | 11/17/08
Do the math.  TripleII | 11/16/08
Seriously... Put the ABM crack pipe DOWN... and step away...  Wolfie2K3 | 11/17/08
Where the hell are you guys getting this notion?  bmerc | 11/18/08
RE: How much does Exchange really cost?  rusden | 11/17/08
"$1 million" is not "an eight-figure sum"  AMusnikow | 11/17/08
RE: How much does Exchange really cost?  tymiles | 11/17/08
You lack credibility to be commenting on this subject.  ye | 11/17/08
Flog that straw man  bmerc | 11/18/08
I've seen dozens of companies...  914four | 11/18/08
Try reading it again...  Wolfie2K3 | 11/17/08
?800 CALs at retail pricing blah blah blah"  bmerc | 11/18/08
Very well said.  914four | 11/18/08
RE: How much does Exchange really cost?  pfranklin | 11/17/08
Makes no sense  likeabite | 11/17/08
RE: How much does Exchange really cost?  likeabite | 11/17/08
RE: How much does Exchange really cost?  kth_barbour@... | 11/17/08
RE: How much does Exchange really cost?  kth_barbour@... | 11/17/08
How much does Exchange really cost?  Ole Man | 11/19/08
Security Issues make it a Very Bad Idea  freethinkerinfl | 11/25/08
RE: How much does Exchange really cost?  aihirwa | 11/11/09

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