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The longest in-use SysV UNIX today is ... HP-UX. In order to understand it, one needs to be free of Solaris bigotry. HP-UX and Solaris have 2 separate strategies - both at the kernel level and at the "OS application" level.

HP tries to run "everything" though the kernel. This makes for a good speed boost - as the layers of context switching in software is reduced. HP computers were ALWAYS 25% faster than their Sun counterparts. This came at a cost though. As an example - Sun would write the NFS reference code and Solaris was always up to the latest and greatest. HP would need to re-write to code to get closer to the kernel. As a result, as Sun was releasing ONC 4.0 (NFSv4), HP was still using ONC 1.2. This illustrates the cost of being 25% faster - being far behind in (software) technology.

At the OS "app" layer, Sun's philosophy was to create all sorts of small "utility" programs to all sorts of things. Sun shunned GUI utility "programs" - their "Admintool" being quite a joke. Sun Bigots made fun of HP for things like SAM and Software Distributor - why use a big GUI when all you have to do is run this little utility and that little utility? This is best illustrated by HP's IgniteUX and Sun's Jumpstart. IgniteUX is a full-featured (GUI) platform for installing the OS - while Jumpstart was an ugly concentration of scripts haphazardly thrown into a directory structure.

On the whole, HP-UX was always rock solid - even when Solaris was in its infancy and failing badly (the first 4 Solaris versions were non-usable).

Not that I love HP-UX and hate Solaris, I like them both. I just don't like when Sun Bigots discount any other OS than Solaris. There are many things I don't like about HP-UX (/sbin/rc0.d) - I need to write that blog on UNIX forking!

The one area that HP lost badly to Sun was support. Sun support was always supurb - while HP was fair to bad. I (personally) changed that at Ford to where HP was on-par with Sun - just before Ford sold its soul to big blue . . .

I'm sorry that you never understood HP-UX Murph, in my heyday I could make it sing . . .
Posted by: Roger Ramjet   Posted on: 04/25/09  (Edited: 04/25/2009 @ 01:43) You are currently: a Guest | Members login | Terms of Use

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HP retort  Roger Ramjet | 04/25/09
Me too  murph_z ZDNet Moderator | 04/25/09
A Little Irony w/ the Solaris Kernel?  jcawley | 04/25/09
Solaris 10 and role of the Kernel  Unix_Magic | 04/28/09
Fatter and more complex patches  murph_z ZDNet Moderator | 04/28/09
The explanations only work to a point  jcawley | 04/29/09
Kernel size  Unix_Magic | 04/29/09
And yet....  jcawley | 04/29/09
Agreed re " Enough features for now--focus on stability"  murph_z ZDNet Moderator | 04/29/09
Happy to...  jcawley | 04/29/09
Problem with HPUX  Unix_Magic | 04/28/09
Exclusive hardware  Cheballestosabato | 04/28/09
Oracle should buy SCO  Roger Ramjet | 04/25/09
Linux is a question?  Roger Ramjet | 04/25/09
I think it's "and" not "or"  murph_z ZDNet Moderator | 04/25/09
Right  Richard Flude | 04/25/09
Crack smokin!  junknstuff@... | 04/25/09
I'll give you that  Roger Ramjet | 04/28/09
Linux is both desktop and server.  progon | 04/25/09
RE: A question about Linux  c0t0d0s0.org | 04/25/09
Agreed  murph_z ZDNet Moderator | 04/25/09
Smoking crack and cluster diagrams...give me cores!  junknstuff@... | 04/25/09
RE: A question about Linux  c0t0d0s0.org | 04/25/09
Horses for courses  murph_z ZDNet Moderator | 04/25/09
Straight from the "expert" who doesn't know any other OS besides *nix...  transposeIT | 04/28/09
Linux distro's are superior  Christian_<>< | 04/25/09
A cup of tea?  Cheballestosabato | 04/25/09
Si  junknstuff@... | 04/26/09
Trucks and baby sittring  darkog | 04/26/09
RE: A question about Linux  darkog | 04/25/09
I'm a bit of a newbie at *nix administration  AndyCee | 04/26/09
Linux dominates supercomputing  junknstuff@... | 04/26/09
Only 500? No wonder Linux leads here..No money to be had....LOL  transposeIT | 04/28/09
why?  darkog | 04/28/09
Two main reasons:  murph_z ZDNet Moderator | 04/28/09
Linux on Supercomputers  murph_z ZDNet Moderator | 04/26/09
RE: A question about Linux  darkog | 04/25/09
Linux vs MINIX comment  NetArch. | 04/26/09
You know it...  junknstuff@... | 04/26/09
That's the groklaw position - and wrong  murph_z ZDNet Moderator | 04/26/09
See what I mean!  junknstuff@... | 04/26/09
Ok then - cite references  NetArch. | 04/28/09
It's also Andrew Tanembaum's position! Is he wrong too?  Zogg | 04/29/09
Easy - you're mis-stating the question  murph_z ZDNet Moderator | 04/30/09
You'll have to do better than that  Zogg | 04/30/09
Hmm, these same claims were also debunked by Eric Raymond, back in 2005!  Zogg | 04/30/09
Well Done Linus Torvalds  Aussie_Troll | 04/26/09
Sssssssssshhhhhhhh...the zealots might hear you...  transposeIT | 04/28/09
Linux is not a Minix Kernel hack  The Mad Hatter | 04/26/09
Torvalds: the /concepts/ of linux are naturally based on...  krsaborio | 04/26/09
That's right - it IS not  murph_z ZDNet Moderator | 04/27/09
Then cite your references, please!  NetArch. | 04/29/09
AIX was at least 4 years late to get multiprocessing capabilities  krsaborio | 04/26/09
Oracle "owns" Solaris now  Anton Philidor | 04/29/09
not really  Unix_Magic | 04/29/09
Some patches have updated the kernel  murph_z ZDNet Moderator | 04/30/09
Penguin Power!  bendib | 05/25/09

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