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Information sources and observational data
Thought I would give some information sources
for the "other side" on the debate with the IPCC:

The Heartland Institute's environment page: http://www.heartland.org/suites/environment/i
ndex.html

Icecap: http://icecap.us/
BTW they have an article saying some
Democrats want to delay implementation of
Obama's cap and trade system. Go to http://icecap.us/index.php/go/political-climate
and look up the Dec. 11, 2008 article.

Watts Up With That?: http://wattsupwiththat.com/

Climate Science, by Dr. Roger Pielke, Sr.: http://climatesci.org


What's becoming increasingly clear is the
observational data does not comport with the
alarmist climate models. The climate models
are based on a theory that small forcings of the
atmosphere's temperature will cause a feedback
loop effect that causes other factors like cirrus
clouds (which trap heat) and water vapor (the
most powerful greenhouse gas) to increase,
leading to more warming.

The observational data shows that the opposite
is happening. Relative humidity is falling (which
is one cause that could explain the shrinking
Northern ice sheet that we've seen recently--
just a guess. Less snow you think?) and cirrus
clouds have been decreasing (allowing more
heat to escape into space). Secondly there's no
evidence that we're getting hot spots in the
upper atmosphere, which would indicate a high
level of warming due to CO2.

Climate scientist Rob Carter commented last
year that observation has shown that the Earth's
climate is remarkably homeostatic. It appears to
have negative feedback mechanisms, so to
speak, that balance things out.

The lowering of relative humidity is a concern.
Some good science has shown that the decrease
is being caused by sooty pollution. If you get a
chance, check out the Nova episode called
"Dimming The Sun". The web page for it is at http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/sun/

It contains some obligatory nods to the global
warming issue (just about every science show
on TV now has this. It's like the token gay
character in TV shows and movies, except the
token characters have more legitimacy), but just
from my own sense of scientific soundness, the
theory on the dimming effect in relation to
humidity is solid.
Posted by: Mark Miller   Posted on: 12/13/08 You are currently: a Guest | Members login | Terms of Use

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Information sources and observational data  Mark Miller | 12/13/08
Regardless, Al Gore is an extreme hypocrite.  TripleII | 12/13/08
The little known secret  Mark Miller | 12/13/08
Agreed  murph_z ZDNet Moderator | 12/16/08
A coincidence  HooNoze | 12/13/08
Not a coincidence  murph_z ZDNet Moderator | 12/13/08
Not really...  HooNoze | 12/13/08
Heartland's funding  Mark Miller | 12/13/08
You can't prove it  Roger Ramjet | 12/14/08
The science is uncertain but the politics definite  Anton Philidor | 12/15/08
The precautionary principle  Mark Miller | 12/15/08
once more, the classic hydrogen error  dmennie | 12/16/08
Sorry my mistake  Mark Miller | 12/16/08
Oh God- how embarassing  tonymcs@... | 12/14/08
Facts not in evidence.  TripleII | 12/15/08
God save us from clever ignoramuses  bswiss | 12/14/08
Assume it's all true, give us the answer.  TripleII | 12/15/08
Partial answer  HooNoze | 12/15/08

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