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Linux doesn't help the cause
One problem many "MCSEs" have is that most Linux distros spend too much effort trying to be like Windows. This serves to delay the MCSE's development, as they end up treating Linux as if it new version of Windows.

Even though it is probably one of the better distros to learn UNIX on, Slackware just isn't very sexy compared to n00butu, or Mandriva.

I struggled mightily with UNIX, repeatedly losing interest with various Linux distros, until I tried FreeBSD.

Now, when I log onto a Linux machine, I spend half my time bitching about the ridiculous locations of the config files and the restarted info system, and the other half getting things done.

Good post Murph.
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Linux doesn't help the cause  toadlife | 05/07/08
Ridiculous? Liberate yourself!  D. T. Schmitz | 05/07/08
Whaaat?  toadlife | 05/07/08
Odd to myself.  mikeholli | 05/09/08
Odd to myself.  mikeholli | 05/09/08
MCSE's are too lazy  fr0thy2 | 05/07/08
Rhine maidens are calling you  klumper | 05/07/08
I will tell you why.  daMan25 | 05/07/08
Time on your hands?  fr0thy2 | 05/08/08
All the buttons work here  daMan25 | 05/08/08
Up until patch Tuesday  markdean | 05/08/08
daMan25 hits it pretty square  m_d_blake | 05/09/08
Message has been deleted.  fr0thy2 | 05/08/08
We'll all be buttons soon  klumper | 05/08/08
how judgemental  ivanotter | 05/08/08
wouldn't that put us out of business?  bearlyworking | 05/09/08
No I think he assumes the following:  socialism=nowhere | 05/09/08
...and why he gets deleted - a lot...nt  socialism=nowhere | 05/09/08
Gee, you just proved the guy was right  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/08/08
MCSE short for memorization expert  rmerts@... | 05/08/08
well aren't we glad  ivanotter | 05/08/08
Mouse Click Sequence Engram  fr0thy2 | 05/08/08
No, you search for the answer.  alaniane@... | 05/08/08
Give a man a fish...  bobbitchin | 05/09/08
Decent analogy  daengbo | 05/09/08
One of the best analogies!  Ole Man | 05/09/08
The problem is  alaniane@... | 05/09/08
@ Alaniane  bobbitchin | 05/10/08
Your still missing the point  alaniane@... | 05/10/08
@alaniane  bobbitchin | 05/12/08
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What an idiot!  tgray@... | 05/09/08
Reasons to want Linux  wjgrimm | 05/09/08
And it'll cost $1,100 to patch the *nix later  bearlyworking | 05/09/08
That's ridiculous!  wjgrimm | 05/09/08
How refreshing!  yid_witch@... | 05/11/08
An Equal Case for *nixers Reinventing Wheels  bearlyworking | 05/09/08
It's easy to see  Ole Man | 05/14/08
An equal case for *nixers reinventing wheels  bearlyworking | 05/09/08
You may have a point  TtfnJohn | 05/08/08
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Linux is Unix (NT)  murph_z ZDNet Moderator | 05/07/08
Hmmm...  TTGIT Guy | 05/07/08
No...It's not.  linux for me | 05/07/08
And is stolen  Spiritusindomit@... | 05/08/08
Again...No it doesn't  linux for me | 05/08/08
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SCO's lawyers are completely incompetent.  odubtaig | 05/07/08
I prefer  Richard Flude | 05/07/08
they have different thread models  Voodoo187 | 05/07/08
That's binary compatibility.  odubtaig | 05/07/08
posix.exe was part of windows nt for a long time  stevey_d | 05/08/08
You're completely missing the point.  odubtaig | 05/09/08
So says "The SCO Group"...  DonRupertBitByte | 05/07/08
No - so says Linus Torvalds  murph_z ZDNet Moderator | 05/07/08
Linux is a kernel, not an OS  stevey_d | 05/07/08
Most people equate Linux as a complete package.  ye | 05/07/08
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@jasonp: I don't recall making any statement about Windows or IE in...  ye | 05/08/08
Murph said Unix is Linux.  stevey_d | 05/08/08
He still says it  Richard Flude | 05/07/08
There ya go, spanking them with facts.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/08/08
Kind of...  starcannon99022@... | 05/09/08
Just one reference, please.  daengbo | 05/09/08
Linux is not SCO  Hemlock Stones | 05/07/08
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Linux is not Unix  strubinsky@... | 05/08/08
RE: Why many MCSEs won't learn Linux  dinhcaraeht | 05/07/08
Rude  john.lemme@... | 05/07/08
QED  murph_z ZDNet Moderator | 05/07/08
Huh?  john.lemme@... | 05/07/08
Yup...  Erik Engbrecht | 05/07/08
Video problems, since when ?  Hemlock Stones | 05/07/08
Funny you would say that...  ivanotter | 05/08/08
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Damn...  JesperFrimann | 05/07/08
Actually, the court of public opinion sees you as a true a$$ Murph...  Scrat | 05/08/08
Hmm....  Henry Miller | 05/08/08
...and in steps the apologist!  Scrat | 05/08/08
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It seems to me  Ole Man | 05/10/08
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Nathan was right.  cornpie | 05/08/08
QED  geoff@... | 05/09/08
42  Erik Engbrecht | 05/07/08
87539319  Spiritusindomit@... | 05/08/08
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ALSA Switch  shawn_dude | 05/08/08
He's not...  TtfnJohn | 05/08/08
You Misunderstood  john.lemme@... | 05/08/08
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Finish (sheesh)  hoohah | 05/08/08
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RE: Why many MCSEs won't learn Linux  tymiles | 05/07/08
RE: Why many MCSEs won't learn Linux  riverab0@... | 05/07/08
Running before walk or crawl?  markjensen | 05/07/08
Thanks Mark.  riverab0@... | 05/07/08
Learning Basics First  john.lemme@... | 05/07/08
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Decent Living vs. Great Living  markdean | 05/08/08
Nix admins may get paid more  willpd13 | 05/09/08
RE: Why many MCSEs won't learn Linux  Loverock Davidson | 05/07/08
I agree about the attitude but disagree about the suitability...  ye | 05/07/08
Management Philosophy?  markjensen | 05/07/08
....  Linux User 147560 | 05/07/08
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Message has been deleted.  fr0thy2 | 05/07/08
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The trolls have it!  Ole Man | 05/09/08
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Suddenly ?  Hemlock Stones | 05/07/08
Why many MCSE's will be out of a job  killerbunny | 05/07/08
Keep dreaming, KB  John Zern | 05/07/08
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DEC Tech Support.  riverab0@... | 05/07/08
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ooops s/You're/Your/  deaf_e_kate | 05/08/08
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humility  Ole Man | 05/09/08
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MCSE here who also uses Linux...  jmiller1978 | 05/08/08
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RE: Why many MCSEs won't learn Linux  blittrell | 05/08/08
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More crap than usual, which is impressive  mlambert890@... | 05/08/08
Completely missed the point  davidr69 | 05/08/08
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*nix and MCSEs  david.swift@... | 05/08/08
You too missed the point  davidr69 | 05/08/08
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Well stated Marc  klumper | 05/08/08
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A bigger reason  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/08/08
The real reason why MCSE don't want to switch!  NeoZon@... | 05/08/08
The real reason you just made yourself look silly...  storm14k | 05/08/08
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MCSEs lowballl themselves from the start  schmandel@... | 05/08/08
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strike that, reverse it  winemaker81 | 05/08/08
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All one needs do is read these post to see why Linux is failing  No_Ax_to_Grind | 05/08/08
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Pointless.  caspianhiro | 05/08/08
LOL - not to Murhpy and a few others - LOL nt  socialism=nowhere | 05/09/08
You just proved his point Murph  georgeou | 05/08/08
Thank you George...your right. nt  socialism=nowhere | 05/09/08
Exactly.  rickroberts_mcse@... | 05/12/08
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yes and no...  starcannon99022@... | 05/09/08
RE: Why many MCSEs won't learn Linux  bearlyworking | 05/09/08
If the wheel needs redesigned...  starcannon99022@... | 05/09/08
I can't and neither should you  starcannon99022@... | 05/09/08
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Perspective from a small web host with a bachelors in business  bearlyworking | 05/09/08
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My OS can beat up your OS  John Quillen | 05/09/08
A cultural attitude change at Microsoft...  mikifinaz1@... | 05/09/08
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I see Mike as victim, not bad guy  murph_z ZDNet Moderator | 05/11/08
Learning to use Linux is more of a Pain  brittonv | 05/12/08
More like, you don't learn Linux...  Mitch 74 | 06/04/08
Correlation of degree with platform competence  Jeff_Bridges | 05/09/08
It's the applications that matter, not the OS  mcalmond@... | 05/10/08
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Nathan's long anticipated response  nhudd | 05/12/08
Nathan's long awaited response...  nhudd | 05/12/08
Another Starting Point  brittonv | 05/12/08
Linux Elitism Is A Myth... Let's Stop Perpetuating It!  awasson@... | 05/12/08
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Total Hogwash......  bsaunders43 | 05/13/08
RE: Why many MCSEs won't learn Linux  SweetSweetLinux | 05/13/08
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Pushing Linux to the User is a Mistake  somboo | 06/04/08
Because they Must Call Someone Else  hendra@... | 06/16/08
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