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Install / no install
Some people make their entire living by JUST handling UNIX installs - they are called system administrators! Easy-to-install usually translates into a maintenance nightmare in an enterprise setting (not so much for single end-user machine). UNIX has NO standards (save LSB) for where to install apps (unlike C:\Program Files like Windoze), so they install ANYWHERE (in the filesystem). In MANY ways, this is the single biggest problem that UNIX has - and has kept it from the mainstream.

InstallShield is a true asset for Windoze. This combined with the Add/Delete Programs function make installing software on Windoze SUPERIOR to UNIX. While UNIX admins are still tarring up software and "hand installing" it (usually with a laundry-list of todos after the untar), Windoze users have full control over their software (well, except for when the Registry fails . . .). Until *NIX gets their act together in this area, Windoze will continue to dominate.
Posted by: Roger Ramjet   Posted on: 10/26/05 You are currently: a Guest | Members login | Terms of Use
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Install / no install  Roger Ramjet | 10/26/05
I agree 100%  brble | 10/26/05
I agree with Roger too  murph_z ZDNet Moderator | 10/26/05
Not quite  Roger Ramjet | 10/26/05
Not quite 2 (Namespace)  Roger Ramjet | 10/26/05
Sure buddy!  FreeBSD | 10/26/05
Taking offense  Roger Ramjet | 10/27/05
NO! not there  Outside T. Box | 10/27/05
RE: Install/no install  crash89 | 10/26/05
Now that's funny  Fred Fredrickson | 10/27/05
Windows dominates my 4$$  Outside T. Box | 10/27/05
Limited examples.  Anton Philidor | 10/26/05
*nix installs just fine  pesky_z | 10/26/05
the answer to your question, yet again  Valis Keogh | 10/26/05
All unix users start out as professionals?  rameeti | 10/26/05
This is good  D. T. Schmitz | 10/26/05
What are you talking about?  rapson | 10/26/05
Well, to tell you a secret - I was being " clever" here  murph_z ZDNet Moderator | 10/26/05
Still don't buy it  rapson | 10/26/05
Logic? Reason? You've moved beyond them?  svanvuuren@... | 10/26/05
edlin? !  murph_z ZDNet Moderator | 10/26/05
4 year olds  Roger Ramjet | 10/26/05
A response emailed me  murph_z ZDNet Moderator | 10/26/05
Don't agree  Roger Ramjet | 10/26/05
MacXL - 4,495 - PC/AT - 5,500  murph_z ZDNet Moderator | 10/26/05
I don't buy it  Roger Ramjet | 10/27/05
I just bought it  eyehop | 10/27/05
You are NOT being the least bit fair Murph!!!  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/26/05
Yep, some of them went a bit too far too  murph_z ZDNet Moderator | 10/26/05
A bit? Isn't that part of the problem?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/26/05
Defending against facts.  Anton Philidor | 10/26/05
Similar story  Roger Ramjet | 10/26/05
Sigh.  Anton Philidor | 10/26/05
Sins of omission  Roger Ramjet | 10/27/05
I can understand  Roger Ramjet | 10/26/05
the best discussion is.....  pesky_z | 10/26/05
But, Murph and others share a responsibility.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/26/05
Yep - but de-encumberization is what cddl is about  murph_z ZDNet Moderator | 10/26/05
Outstanding!  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/26/05
linux hater  Scott W | 10/30/05
What in tarnation  Linux Advocate | 10/26/05
He made it up himself  tic swayback | 10/26/05
Actually...  rapson | 10/26/05
He has applied this to any Copyrighted code you have to license.  B.O.F.H. | 10/26/05
Exactly right. Free is free, encumbered is encumbered.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/26/05
"Free" has never had anything to do with price.  B.O.F.H. | 10/26/05
No, that is your spin on what Free means.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/26/05
Your definition won't hold up in any court!  B.O.F.H. | 10/26/05
Re: Exactly right. Free is free, encumbered is encumbered.  none none | 10/26/05
So I guess you live in "The Land of the Encumbered".  Zogg | 10/27/05
He did apply the term to Microsoft  tic swayback | 10/26/05
You make my point nicely. Thank You!  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/26/05
So why do you keep using such a confusing term?  tic swayback | 10/26/05
Sorry your confused so easliy tic, Don't worry, Murph understood.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/26/05
It is a public forum  tic swayback | 10/26/05
Feel free to read, not interpret my writings for others.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/26/05
Ah, there's the personal insult  tic swayback | 10/26/05
Re: Ah, there's the personal insult  none none | 10/26/05
Psychiatrists interpret writing?  tic swayback | 10/26/05
Re: Psychiatrists interpret writing?  none none | 10/26/05
Speaking of jokes...  tic swayback | 10/27/05
Re: Actually...  none none | 10/26/05
Re: Actually...  none none | 10/26/05
Aha  rapson | 10/27/05
Wrong tic...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/26/05
You said it yourself, MS is encumbered  tic swayback | 10/26/05
So your point is I have been saying the same thing over time.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/26/05
Is that all you have, personal insults?  tic swayback | 10/26/05
No insult, just a no thanks to your offer to "help".  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/26/05
Well, you could certainly use the help  tic swayback | 10/26/05
When I do, your the first I will call. Ok?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/26/05
It should be "you're", not "your"  tic swayback | 10/26/05
Re: Wrong tic...  none none | 10/26/05
Encumbered vs. Free  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/26/05
Only if you  Linux Advocate | 10/26/05
Only is not "FREE"  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/26/05
Then use it  Linux Advocate | 10/26/05
Just because you don't agree with No_Ax  Scrat | 10/26/05
Aw, hide the truth is what your asking.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/26/05
You STILL have no clue what you are talking about.  Sabz5150 | 10/27/05
Remeber  DemonX | 10/27/05
Which is why it's an ineffective and confusing term  tic swayback | 10/26/05
I suppose I could say GPL encumbered just for you.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/26/05
Perfect!  tic swayback | 10/26/05
Glad to have helpd you understand.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/26/05
A well-written argument...  tic swayback | 10/26/05
As I said, my intended audiance had no problems.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/26/05
You post in a public forum...  tic swayback | 10/26/05
Re: Which is why it's an ineffective and confusing term  none none | 10/26/05
The GL geeks don't really say anything about price.  B.O.F.H. | 10/26/05
Was there a purpose to your post?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/26/05
Re: Was there a purpose to your post?  none none | 10/26/05
gpl  Scott W | 10/30/05
Spoken like the PR droid you are  Chad_z | 10/31/05
He's on a crusade  CobraA1 | 10/27/05
Ease of Use? Easy to determine  rameeti | 10/26/05
Narrow but true, as far as it goes  rapson | 10/26/05
Here's a good test  tic swayback | 10/26/05
I got mine an Imac  murph_z ZDNet Moderator | 10/26/05
Mine uses Linux  Linux User 147560 | 10/26/05
What is my point?  tic swayback | 10/26/05
I read my post and apologize  Linux User 147560 | 10/26/05
Hardly true  mdemuth | 10/26/05
F'nA  murph_z ZDNet Moderator | 10/26/05
Ease of use  Update victim | 10/26/05
Windows is overly complex  voska | 10/26/05
It's not any more complex than it has to be...  toadlife | 10/26/05
That's why ms windows comes pretty much  michael_t | 10/27/05
Depends on scope  B.O.F.H. | 10/26/05
Can you believe it?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 10/26/05
Any Unix system?  tic swayback | 10/26/05
GAAA Mac OSX IS UNIX. UNIX DOES NOT HAVE TO BE HARD INSTALL  hipparchus2000 | 10/26/05
So why don't more people use *nix?  jpr75_z | 10/27/05
The Unix advocates call it "marketing"...  Anton Philidor | 10/27/05
Because...  Outside T. Box | 10/27/05
This is an idiotic premise  Zuel | 10/27/05
Windows wasn't too bad until they had to deal with security  George Jay | 10/27/05
switching to Linux  DougOfCBS ZDNet Moderator | 10/28/05
which distro to choose  DougOfCBS ZDNet Moderator | 10/31/05

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