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This is war against MS
It is more and more clear, that EU commision is waging undeclared war against US companies, MS and Intel specifically. I think US government should retaliate demanding that for example BMW car must offer customer a choice of Ford, GM or Chrysler engines, suspension, transmission etc parts. And of course if they do not comply, fine them with multibillion $ fines. The more ridiculous requirement, the better.
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This is war against MS  marchel@... | 06/01/09
AGREED! (nt)  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/01/09
re: War against MS  prof123 | 06/01/09
There is already...  Erroneous | 06/01/09
AMEN!. (nt)  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/01/09
And other people  Michael Kelly | 06/01/09
Security problems  mikefarinha | 06/02/09
Which is why I agree  Michael Kelly | 06/02/09
Which is why I agree  owner@... | 06/02/09
Are you kidding?  fmcgowan | 06/02/09
re: and other people  owner@... | 06/02/09
Amen...No more crappage  pscjskirk | 06/02/09
Bull, MS isn't selling computers.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/01/09
Swap your Linux people for our Windows only clowns.  fr0thy2 | 06/01/09
They sell an OS with an unremovable browser.  B.O.F.H. | 06/01/09
So-called "unremovable" browser, et cetera  M.R. Kennedy | 06/01/09
3. You do not need IE to download a browser  Bozzer | 06/02/09
re: 3. You do not need IE to download a browser  M.R. Kennedy | 06/02/09
re:So-called "unremovable" browser, et cetera  owner@... | 06/02/09
@ owner  M.R. Kennedy | 06/02/09
They sell an OS with an unremovable browser.  owner@... | 06/02/09
You confuse 'default' with 'removable'!  B.O.F.H. | 06/02/09
Please do get technical.  Erroneous | 06/02/09
They aren't? Are you sure?  Zogg | 06/01/09
Two words  jdbukis@... | 06/01/09
Yup, MS advertizing PCs. (NT)  Zogg | 06/02/09
(NT)  Zogg | 06/02/09
If you look at the end...  Erroneous | 06/02/09
re: War agaisnt MS  owner@... | 06/02/09
No, You.  SpikeyMike | 06/02/09
If EU really wants to enforce that..  lenohere | 06/02/09
re: War against MS  Alan.Gonzalez@... | 06/03/09
I can change the default now  xyxx1@... | 06/06/09
Yup, war against MS's war against the European consumer!  fr0thy2 | 06/01/09
How about....  daMan25 | 06/01/09
You remind me of an American dude in a bar ...  fr0thy2 | 06/01/09
Ok.....  daMan25 | 06/01/09
It's too big a market to lose.  fr0thy2 | 06/01/09
Wow....  daMan25 | 06/01/09
@DaBoy  fr0thy2 | 06/01/09
Good come back frothy..  daMan25 | 06/01/09
@DaBoy : Yeah I know.  fr0thy2 | 06/01/09
How about one comparison at a time?  MGP2 | 06/01/09
You forgot to wear your cowboy hat when you said...  kozmcrae | 06/01/09
Once again.....  daMan25 | 06/01/09
Monoculture? Windows monoculture?  fr0thy2 | 06/01/09
Looks like I hit a nerve.  kozmcrae | 06/01/09
He made a fair point  jdbukis@... | 06/01/09
He made a fair point?  kozmcrae | 06/01/09
Here's his point...  wolf_z | 06/02/09
Your title was Here's His Point.  kozmcrae | 06/02/09
re:You forgot to wear your cowboy hat when you said...  owner@... | 06/02/09
How about....  DavidBassPlayer | 06/02/09
Yep, put Europe back....  Erroneous | 06/01/09
"Watch as unemployment skyrockets because of"  fr0thy2 | 06/01/09
I think your tea....  Erroneous | 06/01/09
We had houses before you even existed.  fr0thy2 | 06/01/09
Yeah, there were....  Erroneous | 06/01/09
@Erroneous  fr0thy2 | 06/01/09
There is something called sunlight.  kozmcrae | 06/01/09
@kozmcrae  Erroneous | 06/01/09
@Erroneous : God Bless America!  fr0thy2 | 06/01/09
@Erroneous  kozmcrae | 06/01/09
Actually I was...  Erroneous | 06/01/09
@ Erroneous  kozmcrae | 06/01/09
Try again.  Erroneous | 06/02/09
Realy  jdbukis@... | 06/01/09
Hell no....  Erroneous | 06/01/09
I think your tea....  owner@... | 06/02/09
RE: Think for yourself  branchman67 | 06/02/09
RE:Yep, put Europe back....  whtsupnw@... | 06/08/09
You Fail  samalie | 06/01/09
I agree with you about ...  fr0thy2 | 06/01/09
I never once said  samalie | 06/01/09
It's just exerting OPPOSITE pressure.  fr0thy2 | 06/01/09
Well  samalie | 06/01/09
There's another way  Beat a Dead Horse | 06/01/09
re: I agree with you about ...  M.R. Kennedy | 06/01/09
RE: Forcing themselves on the market  branchman67 | 06/02/09
"when the rest of the world is open"  Erroneous | 06/02/09
What I wish Microsoft would do...  MGP2 | 06/01/09
They'd have to honour existing systems...  fr0thy2 | 06/01/09
The same Russia...  Erroneous | 06/02/09
Proper Technology  rcrd | 06/02/09
re:Yup, war against MS's war against the European consumer!  owner@... | 06/02/09
EU??? PYEW!!!!  t5j1sr | 06/04/09
They're "multinational" companies, hence offshoring too.  HypnoToad72 | 06/01/09
In the end, we all win in this war...  goff256 | 06/03/09
EU is Nuts!!  MarkWB | 06/03/09
war against MS  hasan@... | 06/03/09
Get a clue  zkiwi | 06/03/09
Or to force EU companies that deal in Linux  GuidingLight | 06/01/09
Do you understand what's going on?  SpikeyMike | 06/02/09
so stupid!!!!  pupkin_z | 06/01/09
Yes they were, that's why this is happening.  fr0thy2 | 06/01/09
RE: EU wants MSFT to put other browsers in Windows  bobfastner | 06/01/09
What a crock of ********!  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/01/09
It's simple.  nizuse | 06/01/09
Or say screw the EC.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/01/09
And if you're wrong  Michael Kelly | 06/01/09
I am not.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/01/09
Hey, as long as they are aware of the risks  Michael Kelly | 06/01/09
A US company trying to hold European governments to ransom?  Zogg | 06/01/09
Ransom?  Michael Kelly | 06/01/09
I don't care if MS does pull out of Europe.  Zogg | 06/02/09
Commercial Suicide  Bozzer | 06/02/09
Um, I think your math is screwed up  wolf_z | 06/02/09
You question my maths when you cannot even read!  Bozzer | 06/02/09
RE: You are funny.  Bozzer | 06/02/09
There was the little matter of Kuwait...  wolf_z | 06/02/09
Preferably the latter.  fr0thy2 | 06/01/09
You have a choice Ax.  kozmcrae | 06/01/09
You'll have him giving birth to transgenic kittens next!  fr0thy2 | 06/01/09
But, you forget that MS gets no advantage from the bundling with the  DonnieBoy | 06/01/09
You ship Opera  LiquidLearner | 06/01/09
Due to extending HTML specs to IE ONLY...  SpikeyMike | 06/02/09
IE did it.....  Erroneous | 06/02/09
When ??  Aussie_Troll | 06/02/09
Then the $750 million paid ot to AOL/Netscape  zkiwi | 06/02/09
MS Undocumented APIs Game Playing  no_zd_user_name | 06/01/09
Agreed.  nizuse | 06/01/09
get real. There is no OS alternative for general consumer market  pupkin_z | 06/01/09
Not if you're ignorant and brainwashed like ...  fr0thy2 | 06/01/09
Being blinded by faith is thy strength...  Ceridan | 06/01/09
Which ethernet card? Which Ubuntu version?  fr0thy2 | 06/01/09
Adverage joe.  Ceridan | 06/01/09
Average Joe can't fix Windows drivers either.  fr0thy2 | 06/01/09
If "they want stuff to work without any problems.."  Ole Man | 06/01/09
@Average Joe can't fix Windows drivers either.  Ceridan | 06/02/09
@ALL : Distro to Try: Linux MINT  SpikeyMike | 06/02/09
Slight correction, Mikey  Ole Man | 06/02/09
Linux has been ready for over three years.  kozmcrae | 06/01/09
It's not... yet  Ceridan | 06/01/09
Windows isn't ready.  fr0thy2 | 06/01/09
Depends  Ceridan | 06/02/09
Ummmmm....  Dave32265 | 06/01/09
They conveniently "forget" that.  fr0thy2 | 06/01/09
So you were able to run DX10 games on the PC?  LiquidLearner | 06/01/09
I was able...  Dave32265 | 06/01/09
Next time try thinking before you type.  kozmcrae | 06/01/09
LOL...  Dave32265 | 06/01/09
Linux MINT is ready NOW  SpikeyMike | 06/02/09
Undocumented API's?!  jmiller1978 | 06/01/09
It doesn't matter...  edwards.wb | 06/01/09
True, its obvious the EC can't buy a clue.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/01/09
Give all of your money to Halliburton today.  fr0thy2 | 06/01/09
Stupid generalisations...  Ceridan | 06/01/09
Can't buy a clue?  kozmcrae | 06/01/09
"So, MS is getting their comeuppance"  fr0thy2 | 06/01/09
Uh?  Ceridan | 06/01/09
If Apple get big enough ...  fr0thy2 | 06/01/09
...  Ceridan | 06/01/09
Choice.  fr0thy2 | 06/01/09
Funny Qutoe from Dietrich T  BroGnorik | 06/01/09
Yes  no_zd_user_name | 06/02/09
RE: EU wants MSFT to put other browsers in Windows  Loverock Davidson | 06/01/09
For once you're right Loverock.  fr0thy2 | 06/01/09
Your crazy....  Ceridan | 06/01/09
LOL, wouldn't that be a sick irony of human nature?  fr0thy2 | 06/01/09
Unfortunalty that's how humanity works....  Ceridan | 06/01/09
64 bit machine?  fr0thy2 | 06/01/09
Hey frothy..  MGP2 | 06/01/09
HEY MGP2  fr0thy2 | 06/01/09
MS's stubborn refusal to allow users to remove IE completely  Michael Kelly | 06/01/09
NO ONE wants a OS without a browser.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/01/09
I never suggested they did  Michael Kelly | 06/01/09
You expect him to understand that?  B.O.F.H. | 06/01/09
That's only the start, though...  MGP2 | 06/01/09
I can buy Word without buying Excel  Michael Kelly | 06/01/09
Funny, you AREN'T "buying" IE  wolf_z | 06/02/09
Just because you don't get an itemized bill of sale...  Zogg | 06/02/09
MS will never trick the EU, we're too technically savvy.  fr0thy2 | 06/01/09
????  jdbukis@... | 06/01/09
Aren't you talking about Europeans here? Savvy my a$$.  transposeIT | 06/01/09
Were you that guy in the bar?  fr0thy2 | 06/01/09
DING! We have a winner!  LiquidLearner | 06/01/09
You forgot to take off your monolithic Microsoft hat.  kozmcrae | 06/01/09
Wrong...  Ceridan | 06/01/09
sudo apt-get remove  fr0thy2 | 06/01/09
I read and reread your short response.  kozmcrae | 06/01/09
Ubuntu is the shining example of "Linux for the average user"  LiquidLearner | 06/01/09
Actually ...  Dave32265 | 06/01/09
You honor me with your clumsy insults.  kozmcrae | 06/01/09
Like nlite of vlite?  jdbukis@... | 06/01/09
LiquidLearner---WHAT???  BroGnorik | 06/01/09
Prove it  Michael Kelly | 06/01/09
If MS pays for the damages their shoddy beta crap causes  fr0thy2 | 06/01/09
Microsoft MUST draw a line and say NO MORE.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/01/09
he, he, he...  Linux Geek | 06/01/09
Cite actual instances with links!  B.O.F.H. | 06/01/09
EU MUST draw a line and say NO MORE.  fr0thy2 | 06/01/09
I agree with you Ax.  kozmcrae | 06/01/09
Wise words  nizuse | 06/01/09
What, like the EC would care?  zkiwi | 06/01/09
If I was MS, I'd go one further  croberts | 06/01/09
They'd be glad to  Michael Kelly | 06/01/09
Many developers put IE on Linux anyway  fr0thy2 | 06/01/09
rofl  jdbukis@... | 06/01/09
No, I didn't say that.  fr0thy2 | 06/01/09
I generally agree...  Dave32265 | 06/01/09
It is not built....  Erroneous | 06/01/09
As far as...  Dave32265 | 06/01/09
And most of the software...  Erroneous | 06/01/09
No Intel CPUs and no MS software in the EU.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/01/09
Not a smart move...  nizuse | 06/01/09
yea sure they will,  JoeMama_z | 06/01/09
You must be an American.  nizuse | 06/01/09
You must not run a business...  JoeMama_z | 06/01/09
Are you clinically obese too?  fr0thy2 | 06/01/09
And your point is?  JoeMama_z | 06/01/09
@JoeMama. Eating more doesn't make you right.  fr0thy2 | 06/01/09
@ Frothy....  JoeMama_z | 06/01/09
@JoeMama. Sorry, I didn't assume you actually were.  fr0thy2 | 06/01/09
I'm an American too.  kozmcrae | 06/01/09
meh....  JoeMama_z | 06/01/09
@JoeMama : "compete in an unfettered marketplace"?  fr0thy2 | 06/01/09
Being a monopoly isn't illegal  LiquidLearner | 06/01/09
Ah yes...  MGP2 | 06/01/09
@ JoeMama_z  kozmcrae | 06/01/09
@ MGP2  kozmcrae | 06/01/09
He makes a good point.  jdbukis@... | 06/01/09
Win10  fr0thy2 | 06/01/09
HMMMMM  jdbukis@... | 06/02/09
As long as you're counting posts...  MGP2 | 06/01/09
Yeah, I've been busy today.  fr0thy2 | 06/01/09
Busy?  MGP2 | 06/02/09
Careful for what you wish for  Quebec-french | 06/01/09
i would love to see that happen...  Dave32265 | 06/01/09
A technology spring clean  fr0thy2 | 06/01/09
Yeah ...  Dave32265 | 06/01/09
Juvenile post.  B.O.F.H. | 06/01/09
Well EC /EU as every right ot do what ever they want inside there border  Quebec-french | 06/01/09
That doesn't make them right  Michael Kelly | 06/01/09
ok the right place to MR kelly  Quebec-french | 06/01/09
Agree, and Michael, the EU action doesn't exceed the crime.  fr0thy2 | 06/01/09
I'm not talking about the fine  Michael Kelly | 06/01/09
What value the lost competition?  fr0thy2 | 06/01/09
Law enforcement  freeasinmarket | 06/01/09
Actualy  jdbukis@... | 06/01/09
RE: EU wants MSFT to put other browsers in Windows  mwagner@... | 06/01/09
Yes  Michael Kelly | 06/01/09
Making MS not be MS is necessary.  fr0thy2 | 06/01/09
That's a more appropriate punishment  Michael Kelly | 06/01/09
I agree  NoThomas | 06/01/09
MS created the situation with their bundling and API games.  fr0thy2 | 06/01/09
because...  Linux Geek | 06/01/09
Well, MS has been forcing users to take IE for years now, why is what the  DonnieBoy | 06/01/09
According to you  LiquidLearner | 06/01/09
Yet another collosal waste of time.....  JoeMama_z | 06/01/09
Then the EU must assert equal and opposite pressure on the OEM's  fr0thy2 | 06/01/09
and that benefit's consumers how?  JoeMama_z | 06/01/09
No it's proven to not work. Software is open to abuse  fr0thy2 | 06/01/09
Have you always been such a troll?  JoeMama_z | 06/01/09
I saw enough of Windows and MS tactics  fr0thy2 | 06/01/09
Let the OEM's include the other......  Erroneous | 06/01/09
Ahem!  kozmcrae | 06/01/09
With all the messages deleted, the talkback doesn't make sense now.  osreinstall | 06/01/09
Indeed. It seems to be the ProNoAxe Police tho.  nizuse | 06/01/09
A lot of those went too.  osreinstall | 06/01/09
I agree  NoThomas | 06/01/09
I know. I read it  osreinstall | 06/01/09
Note to ZDNet Police:  nizuse | 06/01/09
Yeah, and that Fr0thy bloke.  fr0thy2 | 06/01/09
Maybe we should give NoAxe his own blog  nizuse | 06/01/09
Mr Kelly you have a point there but  Quebec-french | 06/01/09
I am not proud of the wrongs my country has committed  Michael Kelly | 06/01/09
But wait, MS has said they get zero advantage having the browser bundled  DonnieBoy | 06/01/09
All the web developers would grow back hair.  fr0thy2 | 06/01/09
RE: EU wants MSFT to put other browsers in Windows  ccpeters | 06/01/09
Let the war begin:  Ceridan | 06/01/09
"MS has bent over backwards for the EU for years"  fr0thy2 | 06/01/09
Other than your main thesis being just plain wrong...  zkiwi | 06/01/09
criminal "plans" to change his life and stop with manslaughter business  freeasinmarket | 06/01/09
They're busy leveraging for the web now.  fr0thy2 | 06/01/09
Unintended Consequences  jbroche18 | 06/01/09
bundling  freeasinmarket | 06/01/09
Does FF, Opera, Chrome or Safari offer a managed browser?  LiquidLearner | 06/01/09
I don't disagree with you  jbroche18 | 06/02/09
RE: EU wants MSFT to put other browsers in Windows  freeasinmarket | 06/01/09
So the EU wants to force the world to use Windows Bloat/crapware edition  georgeou | 06/01/09
Or maybe, in a more rational universe...  Zogg | 06/01/09
OEMs should be the ones doing it  LiquidLearner | 06/01/09
You don't get what you pay for with Microsoft.  fr0thy2 | 06/01/09
Excuse me? I mentioned 3 *browsers*!  Zogg | 06/02/09
Central planning  seosamh_z | 06/02/09
Are you suggesting that OEMs never update their websites?  Zogg | 06/02/09
EU isn't forcing the world to use Windows George.  fr0thy2 | 06/01/09
Fight the good fight...  BFD | 06/02/09
Where does it end??  NoThomas | 06/02/09
Well, rather than complain...  zkiwi | 06/02/09
double standards  jdbukis@... | 06/02/09
That's irrelvant  zkiwi | 06/02/09
Why not force the computer manufacturers to supply the alternative browser.  osreinstall | 06/01/09
I have wondered that to..  NoThomas | 06/02/09
I can even do that.  osreinstall | 06/02/09
EU SUX.....  Nsaf | 06/01/09
OK, then  BroGnorik | 06/01/09
Huh?  Dave32265 | 06/01/09
That's YOUR problem.  fr0thy2 | 06/01/09
As do I...  Dave32265 | 06/01/09
done for free  robbieharrison@... | 06/02/09
Free is ...  Dave32265 | 06/02/09
Sorry, my reply got tangled in yours...  robbieharrison@... | 06/02/09
Here is another good idea  BroGnorik | 06/01/09
Microsoft and Linux  Keywalker4God | 06/03/09
@If "they want stuff to work without any problems.."  Ceridan | 06/02/09
Why? Is Opera too pathetic to get anywhere in life by itself? [nt]  Qbt | 06/02/09
RE: EU wants MSFT to put other browsers in Windows  JohnDoeSuperman | 06/02/09
LOL @ EU  bran.murray | 06/02/09
RE: Toe the line?  branchman67 | 06/02/09
You are missing the point...  Dave32265 | 06/02/09
Rulz  Keywalker4God | 06/03/09
RE: EU wants MSFT to put other browsers in Windows  antidotcb2 | 06/02/09
RE: EU wants MSFT to put other browsers in Windows  Gis Bun | 06/02/09
The real problem and solution  brooksgr@... | 06/02/09
RE: EU wants MSFT to put other browsers in Windows  owner@... | 06/02/09
Woudl you hold this sentiment if it was another company?  B.O.F.H. | 06/02/09
Active-X  MCP_Divemaster | 06/02/09
RE: EU wants MSFT to put other browsers in Windows  Boxarox | 06/02/09
RE: EU wants MSFT to put other browsers in Windows  dwd1949 | 06/02/09
RE: EU wants MSFT to put other browsers in Windows  PlayFair | 06/02/09
RE: EU wants MSFT to put other browsers in Windows  mercenaryali@... | 06/02/09
RE: EU wants MSFT to put other browsers in Windows  rawdibob | 06/02/09
RE: EU wants MSFT to put other browsers in Windows  richardmitnick | 06/02/09
RE: EU wants MSFT to put other browsers in Windows  bill.andersen@... | 06/02/09
RE: EU wants MSFT to put other browsers in Windows  jfreedle2@... | 06/02/09
EU wants MSFT to put other browsers in Windows  fredf@... | 06/02/09
Other Browsers  The 'G-Man.' | 06/03/09
Why not?  Keywalker4God | 06/03/09
RE: EU wants MSFT to put other browsers in Windows  davechilds_2000@... | 06/03/09
RE: EU wants MSFT to put other browsers in Windows  Budster1 | 06/04/09
RE: EU wants MSFT to put other browsers in Windows  johnelehn@... | 06/08/09
Apple  duckboxxer | 06/13/09

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