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John it depend on witch side of the fence you sit
For some its microsoft that a nuisance and a dinosaur that should have died long ago ....

for some its savage capitalism
for some its both

GPLv3 is yes a bit extreme but on the other hand with the treat from MS on patent infringement and the rather well documented tendency from MS to back stab ,sue ,kill hurt a lots its business partner and associate ........
Yes i can understand why GPLv3 is a bit extreme.

I also understand the pressure that MS must feel from Open source in 3rd world country and developing country.
With this GPLv3 will maybe prevent MS from expending there already illegal monopole.

Is this a good or a bad thing i don't know. but one thing is sure its not the end of this fight and i can guaranty a lots of bad blood between the fighter
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John it depend on witch side of the fence you sit  Quebec-french | 06/01/07
Yes...  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 06/01/07
You're identifying examples...  Anton Philidor | 06/01/07
Why do they need to?  dave.leigh@... | 06/01/07
Re:  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 06/02/07
Then again...  John L. Ries | 06/01/07
From another angle:  dave.leigh@... | 06/01/07
Agreed  John L. Ries | 06/01/07
No, but...  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 06/03/07
What do we do?  dave.leigh@... | 06/03/07
Hit the nail on the head  dragosani | 06/01/07
Granted...  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 06/01/07
One question  rapson | 06/01/07
Not a GPL expert but  dragosani | 06/01/07
RE: Linking  sysop-dr | 06/04/07
Its not so simple  sinleeh@... | 06/01/07
Each part has separate copyrights  JJQ1000 | 06/04/07
English as a second language?  Robert Crocker | 06/01/07
Static Linking = Distribution  rpmyers1 | 06/01/07
and the defined interface, has to have the interface definition file  zzz1234567890 | 06/01/07
I will  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 06/01/07
Distribution is the issue!  Robert Crocker | 06/01/07
But what if...  rapson | 06/01/07
To answer your question  Yagotta B. Kidding | 06/01/07
Derivative?  rapson | 06/01/07
Publishing law  Yagotta B. Kidding | 06/01/07
Look at my Word example  Robert Crocker | 06/02/07
So If I do understand correctly  GuidingLight | 06/01/07
Poor analogy  Yagotta B. Kidding | 06/01/07
The "box" (program) contains nothing GPLv3  GuidingLight | 06/01/07
Then don't give out the wire  Robert Crocker | 06/03/07
No. You missed the real remedy.  dave.leigh@... | 06/01/07
Well...  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 06/02/07
By the same analogy  Robert Crocker | 06/03/07
Users have names and faces and families  dave.leigh@... | 06/01/07
Let's say...  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 06/02/07
It's a matter of opinion really.  odubtaig | 06/02/07
Choosing your walls.  dave.leigh@... | 06/02/07
Maybe MS can answer that one  Robert Crocker | 06/03/07
Switch your nouns  Robert Crocker | 06/03/07
Why?  rapson | 06/04/07
Do you always sit?  Ole Man | 06/30/07
Let's keep saying...  goxk@... | 06/04/07
I Agree with you..  IAHawkeye | 06/01/07
sticking to principles  zzz1234567890 | 06/01/07
How?  xstep | 06/01/07
So don't and assume the risk  xstep | 06/01/07
So don't meet users needs is more like it.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/02/07
Unnecessary walls  Yagotta B. Kidding | 06/01/07
Or a specific issue  Robert Crocker | 06/02/07
Go for it.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/02/07
Have at it  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 06/02/07
From MS Office 2003 EULA  Robert Crocker | 06/03/07
That clause is to avoid lawsuits.  osreinstall | 06/03/07
Doesn't follow  Robert Crocker | 06/04/07
Yes it follows  osreinstall | 06/04/07
It is communism you dummy?  thelemite | 06/06/07
Every time I log on here.  osreinstall | 06/06/07
There y'go!  Ole Man | 06/30/07
Buying a house... without buying the FUD.  John Le'Brecage | 06/02/07
So what you are saying is no one should touch  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/02/07
You are not a customer.  John Le'Brecage | 06/02/07
And I see where you are going wrong.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/02/07
You are not a customer  John Le'Brecage | 06/02/07
Say what?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/02/07
You are not a customer...  John Le'Brecage | 06/02/07
Stallman has done more to restrict users than anyone else.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/02/07
And...  John Le'Brecage | 06/02/07
And...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/02/07
Proportionality.  John Le'Brecage | 06/02/07
I see it quite differently from my clients.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/02/07
Should be mentioned...  John Le'Brecage | 06/02/07
Don,  Robert Crocker | 06/03/07
errr... with his inability to comprehend GPL  deaf_e_kate | 06/04/07
No net change for proprietary programmers  JJQ1000 | 06/04/07
If you are explaining things to your customers  deaf_e_kate | 06/04/07
Understatment!  Ole Man | 06/30/07
MS doesn't restrict?  xstep | 06/04/07
There are only two real questions to be answered.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/02/07
Same questions, different answers...  John Le'Brecage | 06/02/07
BOGUS Answers at best.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/02/07
No_Axe...  John Le'Brecage | 06/02/07
Well let me join you.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/02/07
Tea is tasty. Did you know there are penguins in Africa?  John Le'Brecage | 06/02/07
Not certain I follow you  No_Ax_to_Grind | 06/03/07
Context  John Le'Brecage | 06/03/07
Context (in addition)  John Le'Brecage | 06/03/07
Does Microsoft allow you to use theirs?  JJQ1000 | 06/04/07
Would not the difference be  GuidingLight | 06/04/07
Another inaccurate analysis  JJQ1000 | 06/04/07
Guiding Light -  deaf_e_kate | 06/04/07
How Carroll's "clincher" is just a whopper  b3timmons | 06/02/07
"Since May 2005, he's been a Microsoft employee."  Ole Man | 06/30/07
Artificial walls are what enable non-free software in the first place  b3timmons | 06/02/07
Irony  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 06/02/07
artificial irony  stevey_d | 06/03/07
Beating your head against a brick wall  Ole Man | 06/30/07
Irony (modified)  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 06/02/07
Ack...  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 06/02/07
Greasemonk-IE or Trixie  John Le'Brecage | 06/02/07
"Here's what I want. " write your own freaking licence then  stevey_d | 06/03/07
No one is saying otherwise  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 06/03/07
this isn't a good analogy you CAN use the private park just follow licence  stevey_d | 06/04/07
Dictate?  xstep | 06/04/07
How about the terms?  Ole Man | 06/30/07
Your concept is all wrong  JJQ1000 | 06/04/07
Not quite  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 06/04/07
How are they .. if the code can only be used = NOT USED, CHANGED  stevey_d | 06/04/07
That's GPL's doing  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 06/05/07
I beg to differ  JJQ1000 | 06/06/07
You still refuse to acknowledge your error  JJQ1000 | 06/04/07
And one more thing...  JJQ1000 | 06/04/07
Re:  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 06/05/07
Again, you are missing the point  JJQ1000 | 06/06/07
You do realize...  John L. Ries | 06/02/07
Yes, I do realize  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 06/03/07
Desire vs. Willingness to Compromise  dave.leigh@... | 06/03/07
Write Proprietary - link to LGPL.  Roger Ramjet | 06/03/07
No, LGPL...  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 06/03/07
LGPL  Roger Ramjet | 06/03/07
LGPL sorry  Roger Ramjet | 06/03/07
Re:: LGPL (response)  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 06/05/07
The Microsoft Evangelists are out in force again (JC). Vista Sales bad?  stevey_d | 06/03/07
Bottom line  John Zern | 06/03/07
Re: Bottom Line  dave.leigh@... | 06/03/07
Apache is APL not GPL  Robert Crocker | 06/04/07
It's always nice to see such a sparkling  xuniL_z | 06/04/07
Huh?  Patrick Jones | 06/04/07
Numbers, Names, Dates, and $$$$$$$$$ Please  Ole Man | 06/30/07
Message has been deleted.  ballmerrules@... | 06/03/07
I don't understand why this is the "clincher"  Patrick Jones | 06/04/07
This is just a labeling issue  dimonic | 06/04/07

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