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ex post facto crime
A monopoly doesn't exist until a market is defined. Judge Jackson defined the market, determined Microsoft was a monopolist, and convicted the company of abusing the monopoly it did not legally know it had.

That has bothered me. I think a solution is to have an administrative procedure which declares a monopoly and reviews its decisions.

The current mechanism in the US is convicting companies of violating laws that were not applicable until conviction.
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ex post facto crime  Anton Philidor | 09/08/06
I would say...  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 09/08/06
Courts and company breakups.  Anton Philidor | 09/08/06
Market power is defined  Edward Meyers | 09/08/06
General to particular.  Anton Philidor | 09/08/06
The Clayton Act  Edward Meyers | 09/08/06
Read it again.  osreinstall | 09/09/06
Read it again - hopefully with better formatting.  osreinstall | 09/09/06
Paragraph doesn't end there  Edward Meyers | 09/10/06
You missed it.  osreinstall | 09/10/06
Re: market power is defined  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 09/08/06
No,It serves your purpose  Edward Meyers | 09/08/06
Re: No  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 09/08/06
Slick Language  Edward Meyers | 09/10/06
Re: Slick Language  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 09/10/06
Absolutly not true  Edward Meyers | 09/10/06
Re: Absolutely  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 09/10/06
"... foreclose competition ..."  Anton Philidor | 09/11/06
Not quite.  Anton Philidor | 09/08/06
Refusal to head warnings  Robert Crocker | 09/08/06
Lessons learned.  Anton Philidor | 09/08/06
I agree mostly with this...  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 09/08/06
Preposterous!  Roger Ramjet | 09/08/06
If the market is all software, ...  Anton Philidor | 09/08/06
When you blurr the lines between  Roger Ramjet | 09/11/06
Not about law, about behavior.  mwagner@... | 09/08/06
Not that behavior  Anton Philidor | 09/08/06
Multiple cases Multiple Complaints  Edward Meyers | 09/08/06
Monopolies  Anton Philidor | 09/08/06
Don't other laws work this way as well  tic swayback | 09/08/06
Fair use applies to everyone.  Anton Philidor | 09/08/06
Excellent analogy  rapson | 09/08/06
The child may know laws applying to Roberts only...  Anton Philidor | 09/08/06
I don't agree  tic swayback | 09/08/06
Most "companies are automatically immune..."  Anton Philidor | 09/08/06
Anti-trust includes more than  Edward Meyers | 09/08/06
Not true  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 09/08/06
Not true (with correct link)  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 09/08/06
Not true (links don't work)  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 09/08/06
The Clayton Act does more than that  Edward Meyers | 09/10/06
Re: The clayton act...  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 09/10/06
Most laws apply only to the minority  tic swayback | 09/09/06
"... fuzzy laws ..." is right.  Anton Philidor | 09/11/06
Not really  tic swayback | 09/11/06
You're dead on. It's ex post facto, which is unconstitutional  PB_z | 09/08/06
That's exactly...  rapson | 09/08/06
Real was the company that complained.  Anton Philidor | 09/08/06
Re: complaint  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 09/08/06
The EC - not the EU - meeting its purpose.  Anton Philidor | 09/08/06
You have the wrong target/company.  B.O.F.H. | 09/08/06
Two "violations", two penalties.  Anton Philidor | 09/08/06
Simple solution  Robert Crocker | 09/08/06
Huh?  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 09/08/06
Yes you are  Robert Crocker | 09/09/06
No I'm not (really)  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 09/09/06
John  Robert Crocker | 09/10/06
Rob  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 09/10/06
That's essentially what they did  Robert Crocker | 09/11/06
In the US, a court decision ...  mwagner@... | 09/08/06
For reference.  Anton Philidor | 09/08/06
Europe is *hardly* a blip....  rock06r | 09/09/06
All it takes is ethical behavior  Roger Ramjet | 09/08/06
Re: all it takes...  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 09/08/06
Backward compatibility.  Anton Philidor | 09/08/06
Interesting  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 09/09/06
Enforced proprietary  Roger Ramjet | 09/11/06
Obvious test  Robert Crocker | 09/09/06
Why not?  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 09/09/06
BS  Robert Crocker | 09/10/06
Re: BS  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 09/10/06
Media Player != Windows Media Player  Robert Crocker | 09/11/06
Media capabilities.  Anton Philidor | 09/11/06
Real player only default for 10 plays  barsteward | 09/11/06
I was trying to be more general  Roger Ramjet | 09/11/06
No one else is playing on ...  mwagner@... | 09/08/06
Good article, John!  mwagner@... | 09/08/06
Back to basics - again  Richard Flude | 09/08/06
Side notes.  Anton Philidor | 09/08/06
You're being charitable;-)  Richard Flude | 09/08/06
Okay, now I've had it  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 09/08/06
Gee and I feel terrible  Richard Flude | 09/08/06
Dude, why not gbet Linux  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/09/06
Expectations  seosamh_z | 09/09/06
Typical of the quality being criticised  Richard Flude | 09/10/06
Nice one..  seosamh_z | 09/11/06
John, you can't change a "donkey" hole  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/09/06
I guess that's why  Robert Crocker | 09/10/06
"Wah! The mean man won't leave me alone."  phburks | 09/12/06
No, the test is simple.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/09/06
You still don't understan how Anti-Trust law works?  B.O.F.H. | 09/09/06
Not to mention Novell Started the EU Case  Edward Meyers | 09/10/06
Why the EU is terrified of stating what they want.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/09/06
The Protocols were the biggest issue  Edward Meyers | 09/10/06
Price controls?  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 09/10/06
Perhaps you protest to much?  Edward Meyers | 09/10/06
Re: protestations  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 09/10/06
Customization = more money  seosamh_z | 09/11/06
RE: The protocols  barsteward | 09/11/06
Interesting point  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 09/11/06
Give the EC the benefit of the doubt.  Anton Philidor | 09/11/06
EU incompetence  zzz1234567890 | 09/11/06
is ms a monopoly or not? you say...  amj2006 | 09/13/06
Re: Is ms...  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 09/13/06
Funny ...  chekmarx | 09/14/06
Re: Funny  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 09/15/06
Microsft started out with a Unix OS: Xenix..  B.O.F.H. | 09/14/06

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