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Kurzweil's Ideas Violate Two Principles
There are two principles I would like to discuss: 1) that of something being able to create something else substantially better than itself; and 2) that of something substantially improving itself. The fact of the matter is that these two principles are not seen around us, but the ?theory? of evolution, and people like Kurzweil claim they exist. And to make matters worse, claimants of the existence of the above 2 principles, suggest that they only exist within the theory? of evolution, and like theories which cannot be proved.

As an example, if you were to ask someone, how is it that you don?t see viruses creating plant, animals, and humans? They would reply that this, according to the ?theory? of evolution, only occurs in tiny baby steps. They cannot point to irrefutable proof that either the above example, or its underlying principle actually exist. Similarly, Kurzweil et al cannot point to irrefutable proof that the principle of things being able to substantially improve themselves actually exist.

Now the above is very important, because we see opposites of the above 2 principles all around us, but never see the 2 principles themselves. Therefore we see man creating viruses, and man and animals fashioning tools ? wherein things or creatures are able to create things substantially lesser than themselves (but not the other way around). Similarly we don?t see a dirty rag cleaning itself, rather we see external agents applied to things, to make the things become substantially improved. This is important, because it is important to realize that mankind can only be substantially improved, by an external agent effecting the change. Therefore it is impossible for mankind to reach any where close to perfection, without something external causing it.
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Kurzweil's Ideas Violate Two Principles  P. Douglas | 08/29/06
Re: improvement  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 08/29/06
Re: improvement  P. Douglas | 08/29/06
Re: Re: improvement  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 08/29/06
Evolution principles, divinity  P. Douglas | 08/30/06
Evolution has been proven  voska | 08/30/06
Evolution - the real proof  jcg_z | 08/30/06
Evolution principles, divinity - part deux  P. Douglas | 08/30/06
Re: Re: improvement (edited)  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 08/29/06
Stained class comforts often confiscated.  John Le'Brecage | 08/30/06
You know...  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 08/30/06
Deliberately disregarding evidence  hlampert | 08/30/06
Ninja hordes swarm over the hillsides...  John Le'Brecage | 08/30/06
Also  voska | 08/30/06
What evidence have I disregarded?  P. Douglas | 08/30/06
Principles of evolution  dave.leigh@... | 08/30/06
How did you counter my point?  P. Douglas | 08/30/06
You misunderstand Evolution completely  dave.leigh@... | 08/30/06
Clarification  P. Douglas | 08/30/06
They're not a valid principles...  dave.leigh@... | 08/30/06
Even a plastic bin needs external force  don_the_newbie | 08/29/06
Foolish flies fought with flypaper and lost.  John Le'Brecage | 08/29/06
Couldn't have said it better  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 08/29/06
Thank you.  John Le'Brecage | 08/30/06
I see no foundation for Kurzwiel?s contentions  P. Douglas | 08/29/06
Occam's Razor  dave.leigh@... | 08/30/06
And your point ...  P. Douglas | 08/30/06
Again, you misunderstand Evolution entirely  dave.leigh@... | 08/30/06
How am I?  P. Douglas | 08/30/06
Like this.  dave.leigh@... | 08/30/06
No I don't  P. Douglas | 08/30/06
Once again, you misunderstand Evolution entirely  dave.leigh@... | 08/30/06
Dave, if this were a boxing match....  thelemite | 08/30/06
No, I have not  P. Douglas | 08/30/06
Thelemite...  dave.leigh@... | 08/30/06
Self-evident  dave.leigh@... | 08/30/06
Re: Self-evident  P. Douglas | 08/30/06
Don't change the subject.  dave.leigh@... | 08/30/06
I did not change the subject  P. Douglas | 08/30/06
Oh, look! You did it again!  dave.leigh@... | 08/30/06
You are quibbling  P. Douglas | 08/30/06
By "whatever that means..."  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 08/29/06
Re: By "whatever that means..."  P. Douglas | 08/29/06
Re: by whatever means...  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 08/29/06
As I said, we can infer the existence of God  P. Douglas | 08/30/06
Duck-like aliens waddle appropriately across the road...  John Le'Brecage | 08/30/06
Re: As I said, we can infer the existence of God  P. Douglas | 08/30/06
That's induction, not deduction.  dave.leigh@... | 08/30/06
Something doesn't have to be visible, for you to know it exists  P. Douglas | 08/30/06
Creepy carnivorous craniums, Batman!  John Le'Brecage | 08/31/06
Re: by whatever means (more)  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 08/29/06
Please note ...  P. Douglas | 08/30/06
Creation problem.  slopoke | 08/30/06
Where's the problem?  P. Douglas | 08/30/06
Tinfoil hats anyone?  slopoke | 08/30/06
Not all reasoning can be stated.  Anton Philidor | 08/30/06
Who says life isn't working perfectly  voska | 08/30/06
Id vs. Evolution  bluedog52 | 08/30/06
How this devolved into ID vs. Evolution  Roger Ramjet | 08/30/06
I think it's natural...  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 08/30/06
Would you like to live in a world without a God?  Roger Ramjet | 08/31/06
The world I would like...  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 08/31/06
Hence my idea  Roger Ramjet | 08/31/06
Interesting point  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 08/31/06
Morals and ethics  Roger Ramjet | 08/31/06
Everything is connected to everything else.  Anton Philidor | 08/30/06
Exactly Anton  Roger Ramjet | 08/30/06
I agree...  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 08/30/06
Market systems  Roger Ramjet | 08/31/06
I don't agree...  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 08/31/06
I had a long post  Roger Ramjet | 09/01/06
Markets work in their own way...  Anton Philidor | 08/31/06
I'm not saying...  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 08/31/06
Curing dandruff.  Anton Philidor | 08/31/06
Bad example  Roger Ramjet | 09/01/06
nanobots redesign human bodies?  superhanst | 08/30/06
Re: redesign  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 08/30/06
Testing Le'Brecage's ZDStyler...  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 08/30/06
By the way...  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 08/30/06
Hmm. I don't see it. sad  dave.leigh@... | 08/30/06
Oops! Yes I do! happy  dave.leigh@... | 08/30/06
same here  thelemite | 08/31/06
Plastic paragons of questionable virtue?  John Le'Brecage | 08/31/06
I haven't read it yet...  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 08/31/06
Scratch that, I did read it...  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 08/31/06
Using nanotechnology to replace biology.  Mr. Roboto | 08/30/06
Power sources  Roger Ramjet | 08/31/06
Not according to Kurzweil  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 08/31/06
Be careful with "better"  Roger Ramjet | 08/31/06
Re: be careful...  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 08/31/06
And your open market bent?  slopoke | 08/31/06
Rich economies...  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 08/31/06
Another Book You Might Like  larchoye | 08/31/06
I'll check it out  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 08/31/06
One key word: Simulation  pkstephens | 08/31/06
I agree  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 08/31/06
Good point  pkstephens | 08/31/06
Interesting thing about Kurzweil  John Carroll ZDNet Moderator | 08/31/06

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