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How about at least a clear warning
that there will be a reboot with no option to bypass before the update commences? Is that too much to ask for?
Posted by: Michael Kelly   Posted on: 08/15/07 You are currently: a Guest | Members login | Terms of Use
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Remember David...  Linux User 147560 | 08/15/07
Please explain  NonZealot | 08/15/07
Feels like I am talkin' to  Linux User 147560 | 08/15/07
talking to talking to?  evilkillerwhale@... | 08/16/07
No one is trying to make you use anything  tracy anne | 08/17/07
It's not even a flaw, though...  lisacate@... | 08/17/07
You are so wrong on so many counts I don't know where to begin.  ye | 08/17/07
I run Mandriva and Windows  tracy anne | 08/17/07
No, Linux doesn't require a reboot.  nighthawk808 | 08/18/07
You do hold a high regard for simpletons  intrepi@... | 08/16/07
su -  sysop-dr | 08/16/07
How can EULA possibly have nothing to do?  Ole Man | 08/16/07
well  Badgered | 08/16/07
What part of?  Ole Man | 08/16/07
missing the whole rigths issues  technokid_bes | 08/16/07
Where is all the links?  Ole Man | 08/17/07
You can't comprehend what you read...  evilkillerwhale@... | 08/16/07
Total agreement  ShevaBeba | 08/16/07
"make your standard into a admin"  nighthawk808 | 08/18/07
I know a lot of young punks  Ole Man | 08/17/07
Except as "PERMITTED BY APPLICABLE LAW"  Dr. John | 08/17/07
Deciphering legalese  Ole Man | 08/17/07
Here's a towel, dry your eyes and I'll send flowers  intrepi@... | 08/16/07
Congratulations.  nighthawk808 | 08/18/07
Oh but it IS his computer when running Windows.  ye | 08/15/07
The problem  alaniane@... | 08/16/07
No, this is NOT THE DEFAULT. How many times must it be repeated?  ye | 08/16/07
Yes I read the blog  alaniane@... | 08/16/07
There is no problem. Just ABMers blowing nothing...  ye | 08/16/07
I believe you, take a valium, relax and be happy  intrepi@... | 08/16/07
loss of critical data?  evilkillerwhale@... | 08/16/07
Sure, blame the user.  nighthawk808 | 08/18/07
How many home users are  pennatomcat | 08/16/07
Why would they do that?  ye | 08/16/07
WHY?  lisacate@... | 08/16/07
Configuring  Freebird54 | 08/19/07
Is this news to anyone?  Richard Flude | 08/15/07
I agree with Microsofts decision.  ye | 08/15/07
It IS flawed.  sdc100 | 08/16/07
# reboot Still waiting for my answer.  ye | 08/16/07
" in order to bash Windows"?  Ole Man | 08/16/07
Vista - Just Say  Cardhu | 08/16/07
What are you talking about?  timpin1@... | 08/17/07
You're Overlooking Something  Cardhu | 08/18/07
No one is answering your question  nighthawk808 | 08/18/07
you machine, your settings  mswift@... | 08/16/07
They should not be default  alaniane@... | 08/16/07
default behavior  mswift@... | 08/16/07
your mchine, your setting  sdc100 | 08/17/07
I've never seen so many clueless people  ye | 08/17/07
ye: "Hello Mr. Kettle. My, you're looking black today."  nighthawk808 | 08/18/07
That makes everything hunky-dory!  Ole Man | 08/16/07
Any more sheep out there looking for MS grass ?  intrepi@... | 08/16/07
You would agree to anything MS tells you  intrepi@... | 08/16/07
Remember David ...  CodeBubba | 08/16/07
Ok...  evilkillerwhale@... | 08/16/07
So you made a policy decision and fault Vista for enforcing it?  ye | 08/15/07
If he used the recommended default setting  Michael Kelly | 08/15/07
I disagree on both counts.  dberlind | 08/15/07
Fine. Now you know so change it to something...  ye | 08/15/07
Not quite - not all versions of Vista have gpedit.msc  CobraA1 | 08/15/07
Where did I mentioned gpedit.msc?  ye | 08/15/07
And once again, someone DID NOT READ THE PAPER  bmerc | 08/15/07
Perhaps you'd care to explain instead of having me...  ye | 08/15/07
The article mentions M$ response  NickNielsen | 08/16/07
Don't need gpedit  rapson | 08/15/07
Agreed  bmgoodman | 08/15/07
You're blaming Vista for your mistake?  ye | 08/15/07
Read to learn  bmgoodman | 08/15/07
What does that have to do with reading?  ye | 08/15/07
We're blaming Vista  Michael Kelly | 08/15/07
Majority of users don't know enough or care  ye | 08/15/07
Why not put a warning?  voska | 08/15/07
Already been explained in the article.  ye | 08/15/07
But Michael,  Update victim | 08/16/07
Yes we are all to blame, Vista is blameless  intrepi@... | 08/16/07
Does Vista automatically install the updates, or ...  P. Douglas | 08/15/07
It offers several options of which...  ye | 08/15/07
If the PCs personal, then why not be admin?  laura.b | 08/15/07
Bad idea  bmgoodman | 08/16/07
They didn't try in XP. They started in NT 3.1  ye | 08/16/07
Get it right..  Wolfie2K3 | 08/16/07
I agree, in theory  laura.b | 08/16/07
OK..Let's look at this with a reality check in place..  Wolfie2K3 | 08/16/07
It does this at 3am by default...  lisacate@... | 08/16/07
Had to turn auto update off...  Dr. John | 08/17/07
The default is...  ye | 08/15/07
That says nothing about reboots  Michael Kelly | 08/15/07
So does OS X. Yet...  ye | 08/15/07
MAC tells you before you download & give choices  j.m.galvin | 08/15/07
Vista gives you choices too!  ye | 08/15/07
Ye, why you're wrong on this  sjaaxken | 08/15/07
Excellent! Most excellent post sjaaxken!  Linux User 147560 | 08/15/07
BUT THE DEFAULT IS...  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 08/15/07
# reboot  ye | 08/15/07
Ye, why you're wrong on this  aussieblnd@... | 08/16/07
How am I wrong?  ye | 08/16/07
"I don't see anyone whining about OS X"  brian ansorge | 08/16/07
People deplore it merely because it's Microsoft  ye | 08/16/07
Maybe because the article wasn't about OS X Reboots?  lisacate@... | 08/17/07
OSX DOES NOT FORCE REBOOTS  Resuna | 08/16/07
But you are stuck with a MAC  Baer | 08/16/07
# reboot  ye | 08/16/07
That's funny  Linux User 147560 | 08/15/07
That's funny  aussieblnd@... | 08/16/07
What's really funny...  lisacate@... | 08/17/07
You think very differently!  ZMarjan | 08/16/07
Typical ABMer response. Anyone who defends MS must be...  ye | 08/16/07
Actually your dogmatism  alaniane@... | 08/16/07
When I'm right, I'm right. I won't back down.  ye | 08/16/07
Reeeeely impressed!  Ole Man | 08/16/07
The user shutdown his computer  alaniane@... | 08/16/07
Better yet...  Linux User 147560 | 08/15/07
When did this change?  fde101 | 08/16/07
Last I checked  tracy anne | 08/17/07
Better yet...  SO.CAL Guy | 08/16/07
My Linux doesn't have a "program manager"  Ole Man | 08/16/07
Gosh & Golly Gee  Bill4 | 08/15/07
Ad hominem noted.  ye | 08/15/07
Problem is, nobody mde the policy  CobraA1 | 08/15/07
He did...  ye | 08/15/07
I disagree with "reasonable defaults" (nt)  CobraA1 | 08/16/07
The default is reasonable. He changed the default.  ye | 08/16/07
the default is not reasonable (nt)  CobraA1 | 08/16/07
Sure it is. It allows EXACTLY what everyone wants  ye | 08/17/07
Some common sense?  TucsonGuy | 08/16/07
Then CHANGE it! Why is this so hard for everyone?  ye | 08/16/07
Problem is, nobody made the policy  aussieblnd@... | 08/16/07
re: "Problem is, nobody made the policy"  CobraA1 | 08/16/07
Learn to read  bmerc | 08/15/07
Ad hominem noted.  ye | 08/15/07
ironic  bmerc | 08/16/07
Calling them like I see them.  ye | 08/16/07
Thanks, that sums it up succinctly.  SpaceCowboyNJ | 08/15/07
Silly Microsoft Rabbit...  jskline0@... | 08/16/07
Local systems have a security policy too.  ye | 08/16/07
It was his decision  RocketEater | 08/16/07
Wrong  Update victim | 08/16/07
Stop talking about the default. This WASN'T the default.  ye | 08/16/07
System Administrator why?  ramien@... | 08/17/07
Most have no idea as to what, why or how  intrepi@... | 08/16/07
'Sour Grapes' because somebody beat him to it  lisacate@... | 08/16/07
How about at least a clear warning  Michael Kelly | 08/15/07
Or, how about...  dberlind | 08/15/07
Okay  Jeremy W | 08/16/07
Clippy?  notsofast | 08/16/07
Clippy was helpful for beginners...  lisacate@... | 08/17/07
This guy has the right idea  Brakiss | 08/16/07
Bitten once again  frgough | 08/15/07
Please explain  NonZealot | 08/15/07
I'm curious to hear that Explaination too (NT)  voska | 08/15/07
Same here, not making a connection (NT)  Stuka | 08/15/07
Please explain  aussieblnd@... | 08/16/07
aussieblnd you can all that has to be done is a simple change to  SO.CAL Guy | 08/16/07
Someone will be glad to help you out  Ole Man | 08/16/07
# reboot  ye | 08/15/07
Still waiting for my answer.  ye | 08/16/07
No your argument  alaniane@... | 08/16/07
Perfectly relevant. ABMers say the system should allow...  ye | 08/16/07
Because...  TucsonGuy | 08/16/07
And this difference matters why?  ye | 08/16/07
Where is your "reboot" key?  Ole Man | 08/16/07
Ditto. Explain, please. NT  laura.b | 08/15/07
He is mistaken  alaniane@... | 08/16/07
A forced reboot is NEVER acceptable  Protector | 08/15/07
Newsflash: New version of Windows...  ye | 08/15/07
Except when shutting down the machine...  mdsmedia | 08/15/07
The default is 3AM. That's 3AM. Let me repeat: 3AM!  ye | 08/15/07
I used to work the night shift (nt)  CobraA1 | 08/15/07
Doesn't change what I said.  ye | 08/15/07
I prefer they take it out altogether. it's useless (nt)  CobraA1 | 08/15/07
Then DISABLE it. Choice is yours.  ye | 08/15/07
How many people leave their PC on all night? (NT)  High Sierra | 08/16/07
Maching was off at 3AM  cassb | 08/16/07
Then how did the patches get downloaded?  ye | 08/16/07
A stupid decision is still stupid  NickNielsen | 08/16/07
I think it's a wise decision.  ye | 08/16/07
You would.  nighthawk808 | 08/20/07
Raging ravaging robots rapidly running wild worldwide  Ole Man | 08/16/07
3am, however, is a convenient time..  msalzberg | 08/15/07
Then CHANGE the default setting.  ye | 08/15/07
Chill out  voska | 08/15/07
The default DOES WARN YOU!  ye | 08/15/07
Do I sense a little bit of Psychological Projection?  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 08/15/07
Ad hominem noted. No counter argument noted.  ye | 08/15/07
Did you learn a new phrase today?  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 08/16/07
Stop making them and you'll see me stop noting them.  ye | 08/16/07
Unix is off topic  voska | 08/16/07
You'd have a point if the issue in question was the DEFAULT.  ye | 08/16/07
In my opinion  tombalablomba | 08/16/07
No noticeable increse in my electric bill...  lisacate@... | 08/17/07
Mainframe users  alaniane@... | 08/16/07
Newsflash!  cheesyone | 08/16/07
Agreed.  ye | 08/16/07
NO, that isn't the #1 reason...  lisacate@... | 08/17/07
learning everything 'open source  Ole Man | 08/20/07
What about a user with a locked session?  Brakiss | 08/16/07
If the user is on a network  alaniane@... | 08/16/07
Another side of the same coin  d.s.williams | 08/17/07
Bit of a strawman  wolf_z | 08/15/07
Good point  wil2liv | 08/16/07
Workaround  Stoutner | 08/15/07
Stopping ALL scheduled activites  TechnoSarge | 08/15/07
Sone advice . . .  CobraA1 | 08/15/07
You'd be surprised  voska | 08/15/07
Good advice, but the OP is using XP (nt)  rtk | 08/15/07
Sorry, but in this case...  Ben_E | 08/16/07
When reboot is inevitable ...  Yagotta B. Kidding | 08/15/07
Simple solution  Yagotta B. Kidding | 08/15/07
Adminstrative vs standard  Taz_z | 08/15/07
My solution to that  Michael Kelly | 08/15/07
This is going to sound odd as I have always been...  ye | 08/15/07
what sounds odd is...  bmerc | 08/16/07
Grandmas don't need to know it. It's the DEFAULT!  ye | 08/16/07
For single user, I recommend Admin with UAC.  CobraA1 | 08/15/07
Agreed.  slopoke | 08/15/07
Another simple solution  HooNoze | 08/15/07
Never liked the poicy anyways  CobraA1 | 08/15/07
Then change it and stop whining.  ye | 08/15/07
Can I do that without completely disabling automatic updates? (nt)  CobraA1 | 08/15/07
What do you mean by "completely disabling"?  ye | 08/15/07
Wow...  bmerc | 08/15/07
Yes, I can.  ye | 08/15/07
Give up on him.  pennatomcat | 08/16/07
No it isn't.  CobraA1 | 08/16/07
Then it's not automatic is it?  ye | 08/16/07
yes, it is  CobraA1 | 08/17/07
Not installed until rebooted.  ye | 08/17/07
yes set it to download but let me decide when install can't get much  SO.CAL Guy | 08/16/07
But I don't want to manually install it. I want to AUTOMATICALLY install.  CobraA1 | 08/16/07
Perhaps Microsoft will fix this problem in SP1 - nt  WiredGuy | 08/15/07
Perhaps  zclayton2 | 08/16/07
It is not a problem  Baer | 08/16/07
It is two clicks.  tracy anne | 08/17/07
keep in mind the average user...  hepcat65000@... | 08/15/07
It's not arrogance. Geez! It's a decision they made.  ye | 08/15/07
It's not arrogance. Geez! It's a STUPID decision they made  deaf_e_kate | 08/15/07
subject  deaf_e_kate | 08/15/07
I agree with their decision.  ye | 08/15/07
re: I agree with their decision  deaf_e_kate | 08/16/07
But you can save your work!  ye | 08/16/07
What if they are AFK? (NT)  High Sierra | 08/16/07
...and ONCE AGAIN you ignore the content you're supposedly critiquing  bmerc | 08/16/07
AFK?  ye | 08/16/07
Then CHANGE it!  ye | 08/16/07
AFK = Away From Keyboard n/t  Wolfie2K3 | 08/16/07
AFK. Then it doesn't matter. You're not there to abort the reboot anyway.  ye | 08/16/07
Even with Policy, I don't force reboot when the user is on  fernndzgld@... | 08/15/07
Lesson 1: Be the Admin  SpaceCowboyNJ | 08/15/07
Operating Systems 101  Mitch 74 | 08/16/07
Morons: Read the Documentation  SpaceCowboyNJ | 08/15/07
Are you really a tech journo?! LOL  groovepoint@... | 08/15/07
There are bugs here  gordonf@... | 08/15/07
Set AU to Download but not Install  jpr75_z | 08/16/07
but why does it need to reboot?  stevey_d | 08/16/07
Timeout  Jambalaya Breath | 08/17/07
Hewlett Packard Non Stop Unix.  stevey_d | 08/20/07
Why does Windows need so many updates?  mscsrrr | 08/16/07
Your post is equally applicable ....  ShadeTree | 08/16/07
False assumption?  bal4bill | 08/16/07
Not in the middle?  Keywalker4God | 08/16/07
I think that's the final straw  jducoeur | 08/16/07
misfeature?  Mujibahr | 08/16/07
Choices  pj_mouse | 08/16/07
Problem is  Mujibahr | 08/16/07
based on WHAT misinformation? nt  mdsmedia | 08/16/07
It's a misfeature because...  mdsmedia | 08/16/07
Forced Reboot  CodeBubba | 08/16/07
Actually  alaniane@... | 08/16/07
Actually  CodeBubba | 08/17/07
I understand the point, but disagree  bfreed@... | 08/16/07
The point is you don't know it will happen the first time.  Keywalker4God | 08/16/07
In your example, the average user....  mdsmedia | 08/16/07
reboot  paul.h.king@... | 08/16/07
Logical / easily implemented solution  jlang@... | 08/16/07
Why is "standard user" recommended for all users?  Ivystung | 08/16/07
Talking about dumb . . .  CobraA1 | 08/16/07
if in a work critical situation  sail4evr | 08/16/07
Great advice...  bmerc | 08/16/07
MCE  ian.scanlan@... | 08/16/07
Corporate desktops are usually "standard"  davidr69 | 08/16/07
Reboots,IE& https Hijacking  pccow000 | 08/16/07
Administering the computer  aydeisen | 08/16/07
vista reboot--NEVER  varick | 08/16/07
There is a good reason for unwanted reboot  alaniane@... | 08/16/07
Thanks David  jhurst747 | 08/16/07
Microsoft could make a simple fix  gettinoriginal2@... | 08/16/07
He was away from the machine!!  mdsmedia | 08/16/07
I'm not sure I agree...  GrizzledGeezer | 08/16/07
Simple answer...install without reboot....  mdsmedia | 08/16/07
Guess I don't have to worry.  lostinlodos | 08/16/07
That's the way I set it....  erm@... | 08/16/07
Microsoft's moronic justification  sdc100 | 08/16/07
vista forced reboot  tkpol@... | 08/16/07
This isn't that hard.  heres_johnny | 08/16/07
You mean like the default time of 3am?  ye | 08/16/07
you only want  jedi105@... | 08/16/07
The real bug  Keywalker4God | 08/16/07
No Group Policy Editor is dumb  Jim Johnson | 08/16/07
oh yea Linux never needs a reboot after an update wrong  SO.CAL Guy | 08/16/07
Updates in Linux  pj_mouse | 08/16/07
You clearly demonstrate your lack of knowledge  Ole Man | 08/16/07
Happened to me  jedi105@... | 08/16/07
And yes  jedi105@... | 08/16/07
The Only Solution...  Jeremy W | 08/16/07
Tired argument... Not a problem if it can be fixed  themacolyte | 08/16/07
Std users have too much power  frlgrb | 08/16/07
Another poster who doesn't understand what the default is.  ye | 08/16/07
The problem with expectations  fromthehip | 08/16/07
THis is not a problem, it was your choice  Baer | 08/16/07
Excellent question. A point I've been making myself.  ye | 08/16/07
Well, then don't do that....  Heimdall222 | 08/16/07
Bravo, A Smart Person  Baer | 08/16/07
What's "Standard"?  davemulk | 08/16/07
Why even put up with this Vista nonsense?  ejhonda | 08/16/07
Did the same thing myself...  TucsonGuy | 08/16/07
The point is  alaniane@... | 08/16/07
VIRUS  BALTHOR | 08/16/07
Quick Fix  pvhastings | 08/16/07
Here I am ... way down here ...  Media-Ted@... | 08/16/07
Vista took a good idea from Linux but screwed the pooch in execution.  blc1839 | 08/16/07
overblown  daMan25 | 08/16/07
Message has been deleted.  Narg | 08/16/07
Daft  djhs@... | 08/16/07
It's not just Vista, a fully updated XP does it too!  NickNielsen | 08/16/07
XP now does it too  NickNielsen | 08/16/07
Fueling The Fire is All You're Doing  MasterJoe | 08/16/07
In reality....  Wolfie2K3 | 08/16/07
Then how did it download the patches?  ye | 08/16/07
yum -y update; reboot; no option to abort...  ye | 08/16/07
How I love Ubuntu...let me count the ways...  mikifinaz1@... | 08/16/07
yum -y update; reboot  ye | 08/16/07
You know what I realized that this problem really is?  laura.b | 08/16/07
You got dat right.  notsofast | 08/16/07
The average user who cannot use gpedit likely is not going to...  ye | 08/16/07
Vista Just bit me, Again!  bobmatch@... | 08/16/07
Once shame on you, twice shame on me.  ye | 08/16/07
Its not Vista  Moreese | 08/16/07
Just shut up, do as you are told to do...MS  intrepi@... | 08/16/07
Why does this surprise anyone?  The_Curmudgeon | 08/16/07
Have another toke, a valium or MS happy ludes  intrepi@... | 08/16/07
Well, Does the bridge reboot itself or not?  lisacate@... | 08/16/07
When are you leaving for Redmond ?  intrepi@... | 08/16/07
You consider yourself to be 92 % ?  intrepi@... | 08/16/07
Mine did it last night, no problem postponing the reboot  lisacate@... | 08/16/07
I always use Vista, XP, 2000 as an administrator  chas_2 | 08/16/07
Lock and key  Chiatzu | 08/17/07
Quality Assurance??  vancegilbert@... | 08/17/07
System Administrator why?  ramien@... | 08/17/07
Sorry  joe6pack_z | 08/17/07
What are you talking about?  timpin1@... | 08/17/07
Sorry, replied to story when I meant to reply to message  timpin1@... | 08/17/07
seriously??  inertman@... | 08/18/07
Forced reboots come back to haunt even after auto-updates are switched off  zd_surfer | 08/18/07
Failed updates and forced reboots  SoberDub | 08/18/07
I hate to side with Microsoft, but....  mrdood_99205@... | 08/18/07
"Changes will not take effect until you reboot"  Ole Man | 08/18/07
Reinforces Admin = User  wingsteed@... | 08/18/07
Secutiry?  ramien@... | 08/18/07
Oh crap! Must be a hardware problem!  Rick_R | 08/18/07
Don't forget dialup users!  grail@... | 08/19/07
Too True  carlino | 08/20/07
totally agree...  slainers2001@... | 08/24/07
Typical Microsoft  johndifo | 08/27/07
Constantly Agonising over Microsoft  saleh_el_boustani@... | 09/11/07

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