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Is you buying into this story about a product not even tried out, and Google apps which are still largely unproven. esp. for anything more than file sharing. There are a ton of ways to do that for less than 50 bucks a user year over year over year(price increase) over year(price increase) etc.

MOSS solutions are no more complex to setup than any average IT shop can manage. If you are suggesting moving to very limited functionality and no IT staff, then you have something.

But if you value IT as a strategic partner, and not just another cost...oh dear it costs money to make money....then you will certainly demo MOSS capabilities.

I repeat, you will have far greater functionality and access to ALL data across all apps, and integration of LOB APPS into your solutions with MOSS. Microsoft knows what their many and large companies want. I repeat, they do not want Google apps or MS would not be investing it's money in MOSS and other intergrated products that provide super economy of scale and unlimited functionaily online or off. The costs are taken over time, and ROI is part of the equasion.

I repeat, smart companies are looking beyong initial cost to cost and ROI over minimum 5 years. That is where Google starts to cost A LOT more.

If I can setup sharepoint to do collaboration, w/o yet touching the vast opportunities with excel services, tagging, webparts with sharepoint designer or visual studio and give great access that is seamless and all driven from within Outlook, who can't?

From within Outlook you can instantly pull up a customer, get a dozen looks on their activity or prior orders, find direct links to people closer to the products with email, phone or IM access immediately from tags in the documents and answer any question the customer has, period. Can you do that with Google apps? I don't believe so, but you can collaborate. big whoop. You can setup a network share and collaborate just as easily with what you already have and not investing in Google apps for that matter, if you wnat very limited functionality.

MOSS blows Google apps away and does NOT cost more over the long run and provides much richer environment, many more tools to collaborate with, easily interface our BI data to all users with complete and great administrative controls, which Google lacks even for simply document sharing(wheee), a managed code runtime and services that allow your end users to all have an Office GUI, not just an office tool, to look at any data on the network, at any time, in any way they need to.



What does your business use Donnie? What are you doing with Google now that you couldn't already do? What is it buyingt beyond simple collaboration? There are free solutions for that, why pay 50 bucks a user for a company you can't trust. Why do you think Google has an army of lawyers and states they are in it to push the legal envelope with plans to win more suits than lose? What kind of partner is that to be working with your data? No way, you go ahead, since you are not all that bright apparently.
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