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Microsoft set out to cross license IP with TomTom. TomTom refuses. In the end Microsoft gets the cross license agreement and Microsoft gets paid. Only a Linux luddite would call that a triumph of David over Goliath. I wonder what color the sky is where he lives?
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Good..  TedKraan | 03/31/09
Replace FAT with LEAN  Roger Ramjet | 04/01/09
Thats sad....  daMan25 | 04/01/09
FLOSS is freedom of choice  rarsa | 04/01/09
Great Spin!  ShadeTree | 03/31/09
From the word on the street, it sounds like MS settled for close to zero to  DonnieBoy | 03/31/09
Quite right  Lerianis | 03/31/09
Once again ....  ShadeTree | 03/31/09
Once again, why does it bother you so. Is your only argument that hope  DonnieBoy | 03/31/09
What bothers me is your ....  ShadeTree | 03/31/09
YOU were arguing that MS won without knowing the amount of the payment.  DonnieBoy | 03/31/09
Good Point  rbslack@... | 04/01/09
Sigh. That's *trademark*  wolf_z | 04/01/09
Show me one legitimate source ....  ShadeTree | 03/31/09
Is that your ONLY argument?? That hope against hope the rumers are wrong  DonnieBoy | 03/31/09
We want facts not your borderline-religious opinion  TylerM89 | 03/31/09
Ok, YOU tell us how much it was, or, YOU can not claim this is a victory  DonnieBoy | 03/31/09
It doesn't count  wolf_z | 04/01/09
The problem with rumors...  rbslack@... | 04/01/09
MS was asking for 1/4 million  wolf_z | 04/01/09
Pffttt... THe world series was only won by one point.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 03/31/09
This is not exactly like the World Series here, the "loser" if you like,  DonnieBoy | 03/31/09
A loser is a loser, say anything you like, it doesn't change it.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/01/09
M$ got no glory and no lunch. They just got shame and 0$.  InAction Man | 03/31/09
$0 is what TomTom got PLUS they allow MS to use for free their patents  markbn | 03/31/09
Nope, I'm not with Tomtom, I'm with the consumer. We WON!  InAction Man | 03/31/09
1/4 millions is nothing?  rbslack@... | 04/01/09
"The word on the street"  LiquidLearner | 03/31/09
Of course that "word"  wolf_z | 04/01/09
Obvious fear at the Linux Foundation  GuidingLight | 03/31/09
No fear, just organizing to counter the threat. The one running away with  DonnieBoy | 03/31/09
Leave it to DB to pull the best No Axe ...  Confused by religion | 03/31/09
But, since the settlement was for about zero dollars, it was basically MS  DonnieBoy | 03/31/09
You have no idea what the settlement was.  ShadeTree | 03/31/09
Well, it IS true that MS would like us to believe that TomTom paid millions  DonnieBoy | 03/31/09
M$ got not glory and no lunch in this deal.  InAction Man | 03/31/09
And it is YOU who would like everyone to believe they were paid $0  TylerM89 | 03/31/09
@TylerM89: You claim and claim the amount was very significant...  InAction Man | 03/31/09
@InAction Man: Excellent comeback...  TylerM89 | 03/31/09
Not "very cleaver" (your words) That's not a source, it's the M$ website!!!  InAction Man | 03/31/09
@InActionman oops yyou blundered...  rbslack@... | 04/01/09
You're saying there was a token payment  wolf_z | 04/01/09
Are you really that dense...  rbslack@... | 04/01/09
It bothers you that "Linux" caved  GuidingLight | 03/31/09
Actually, nobody caved. This will blow up in Microsoft's face, as it has  DonnieBoy | 03/31/09
You have no idea what the settlement was.  ShadeTree | 03/31/09
You really do wish that TomTom had paid millions, otherwise, it shatters  DonnieBoy | 03/31/09
Donnieboy, TomTom *LOST*  wolf_z | 04/01/09
Shade...it's only a lie if you can prove otherwise.  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 03/31/09
Buwahahahaha, yeah, your a sore loser. Oh well  No_Ax_to_Grind | 03/31/09
Well, if this is how you "lose", TomTom could not be happier. Throw a  DonnieBoy | 03/31/09
A few more 'wins' like this one and soon M$ will be history.  InAction Man | 03/31/09
Listen Idiot  rbslack@... | 04/01/09
Self-delusion is indeed a powerful therapy  InAction Man | 03/31/09
There you go, folks...  MGP2 | 04/01/09
That "proff" (your word) is no proof at all  InAction Man | 03/31/09
I don't even use Linux. Too difficult. I use Mac OS X. But...  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 03/31/09
RE: I don't even use Linux. Too difficult. I use Mac OS X. But...  Col Mustard | 04/01/09
The problem being, that it is important to be able to read USB sticks, or  DonnieBoy | 03/31/09
Not really  TedKraan | 03/31/09
Asking customers to reformat their USB sticks is NOT an option. It would be  DonnieBoy | 03/31/09
USB royalties?  wkulecz | 03/31/09
Yes, many camera companies have paid MS. They probably negociated somthing  DonnieBoy | 03/31/09
Exactly  TedKraan | 03/31/09
Spot on  Richard Flude | 03/31/09
There is also UDF / ISO9660 - used on DVDs and CD-ROMs  Zogg | 04/01/09
UMSDOS or UVFAT  kyron.gustafson@... | 04/01/09
Linux won the first legal battle against M$  Linux Geek | 03/31/09
Code is Poetry vs. Good Enough  sporkfighter | 04/06/09
There's plenty of good filesystems out there... that's not the problem.  Michael Kelly | 03/31/09
Yes, very well put. It must be a file system that Windows computers  DonnieBoy | 03/31/09
"KEEP THE CONSUMER DOWN"  Amelioration | 03/31/09
Could have not said it better myself!!!  DonnieBoy | 03/31/09
Lest just make sure that MS will pay for that  Quebec-french | 03/31/09
And all that would do is force those three  GuidingLight | 03/31/09
"could not interact with anyone else's computer?"  Amelioration | 03/31/09
Amerlioration - MS and Novell has been working on PROFIT (NT)  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 03/31/09
RE: MS and Novell has been working on PROFIT (NT)  Col Mustard | 04/01/09
no not that way .....  Quebec-french | 03/31/09
Agreed.  Amelioration | 03/31/09
that would only happen  rbslack@... | 04/01/09
Encumbered technology needs to go ...  MisterMiester | 03/31/09
Agreed, and we've been warning them for years.  Amelioration | 03/31/09
Maybe if Linux users  LiquidLearner | 03/31/09
Huh?  Necrolin | 04/01/09
Whooshhh!  sporkfighter | 04/06/09
Isn't FAT part of DOS that Gates stole from a simple programmer  LittleGuy | 03/31/09
I think the only patents are for the long file name extentions. So, TomTom  DonnieBoy | 03/31/09
You have got to be kidding me  LittleGuy | 03/31/09
They have worst patents out there  TedKraan | 03/31/09
stole? They paid $50k for Dos  Randalllind | 04/01/09
And how much did MS make off it? Stole!  LittleGuy | 04/01/09
By your definition.....  Erroneous | 04/01/09
You really are clueless aren't you?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/01/09
I don't think he Bill Gates stole anything!  marcfinnwilson@... | 04/01/09
Waaaaa, we're taking our ball and going home.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 03/31/09
Actually, it sounds like TomTom will just have to take out the long file  DonnieBoy | 03/31/09
Uhhh...I think it will mean Microsoft can't get ROYALTIES!  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 03/31/09
No royalties, but another whallop on innovation  sir4taye@... | 04/01/09
Why isn't the foundation suing Tom Tom?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 03/31/09
All in goood time my friend. They will take it one step at a time, and one  DonnieBoy | 03/31/09
Give a time frame loser  markbn | 03/31/09
Patience my friend. These things do not follow YOUR schedule, nor mine.  DonnieBoy | 03/31/09
On what grounds should the MS FAT patents be invalidated?  LiquidLearner | 03/31/09
Nice DODGE, why aren't they suing Tom Tom???  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/01/09
Why should they  say_what | 03/31/09
Actually, no  wolf_z | 04/01/09
I disagree - this case never reached a court room.  Zogg | 04/01/09
MS can charge a penalty...  wolf_z | 04/01/09
Sorry but your pulling it out of your backside.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/01/09
MS couldn't and didn't...  wolf_z | 04/01/09
Maybe I missed something...  storm14k | 03/31/09
No_Ax..I don't even USE Linux and even I know the answer to your PRO MS ?  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 03/31/09
*TomTom* is safe  wolf_z | 04/01/09
Where you are wrong.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/01/09
MS is no longer pursuing those claims.  Zogg | 04/01/09
Actually...  rbslack@... | 04/01/09
The experts say that TomTom has not violated the GPL  Zogg | 04/01/09
Here's another link confirming the "No GPL infringement"  Zogg | 04/01/09
Sorry, you don't know anything...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/01/09
Not according to the Microsoft settlement.  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 04/06/09
The Linux Foundation doesn't own the copyright to the Linux kernel, silly!  Zogg | 04/01/09
Hey, let's not forget Europe. Their next investigation will likely center  DonnieBoy | 03/31/09
Interoperability is easy...  Confused by religion | 03/31/09
Yes, Microsoft loves that kind of "simplicity"!!  DonnieBoy | 03/31/09
I think you mean ...  Amelioration | 03/31/09
Thanks, I meant it in the sense of "unfortunately for Microsoft", but was  DonnieBoy | 03/31/09
Your argument is flawed  rbslack@... | 04/01/09
Today it's Fat32 LFN. Tomorrow it's ...  MisterMiester | 03/31/09
re: Interoperability is easy...  none none | 03/31/09
Europe will follow Russia and China's examples  Amelioration | 03/31/09
Yep, another problem for MS. The ice under Microsoft's patent offensive is  DonnieBoy | 03/31/09
One thing I'm thankful for...  MGP2 | 04/01/09
RE: Europe will follow Russia and China's example  bfilipiak@... | 04/01/09
FAT32 without LFN  wolf_z | 04/01/09
Stupidity at its best....  TheTruthGiver | 03/31/09
You owe me BIG TIME dude.  Amelioration | 03/31/09
Not quite that simple. MS is trying to use this to disadvantage competitors  DonnieBoy | 03/31/09
delusional  JoeMama_z | 03/31/09
Monopoly?  Amelioration | 03/31/09
do you have a reading problem?  JoeMama_z | 03/31/09
Microsoft obviolusly has a monopoly, and obviously used it to make Windows  DonnieBoy | 03/31/09
Obviously you need help staying of topic....  JoeMama_z | 03/31/09
It is the USERS that force TomTom to support FAT, and Indirectly MS, since  DonnieBoy | 03/31/09
Actually, it's the SD cards that use the FAT system.  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 03/31/09
It is end users that are dependent on FAT32, that is the format they  DonnieBoy | 03/31/09
aaaand what...  JoeMama_z | 03/31/09
The point is, manufacturers have not choice but to support FAT, otherwise,  DonnieBoy | 03/31/09
How does this disadvantage competitor???  CTOSea | 03/31/09
First, you use you monopoly to create a dependency on a gargbage file  DonnieBoy | 03/31/09
Evasive Answer  CTOSea | 03/31/09
You are beeing very evasive. You refuse to recognize that MS created the  DonnieBoy | 03/31/09
Which is what they should have done in the first place  MGP2 | 04/01/09
Microsoft created the dependency on FAT?  khawaja.umar.farooq@... | 04/18/09
Your premise is false  wolf_z | 04/01/09
I pay for the moral right to use everything. That's why I use Apple.  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 03/31/09
Think Different  CrashPad | 04/01/09
RE: Linux Foundation: Let's kill Microsoft's FAT  Loverock Davidson | 03/31/09
For once we agree  thelivo | 03/31/09
This all had nothing to do with FAT, Linux, or the GPL  Michael Kelly | 03/31/09
All very amusing  Aussie_Troll | 03/31/09
NTFS and FAT have nothing to do with Samba  Michael Kelly | 03/31/09
He knew that already  Kaiwai | 03/31/09
Thanks for the link.  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 03/31/09
Scales very well  Kaiwai | 03/31/09
Aussie_Troll...this is MUCH bigger than Linux fanboys! (NT)  No More Microsoft Software Ever! | 03/31/09
Everything is bigger than Linux fanboys or linux  Aussie_Troll | 04/01/09
Such as technical ignorance among MS fanbois  Amelioration | 04/01/09
Why not HFS  Kaiwai | 03/31/09
RE: Linux Foundation: Let's kill Microsoft's FAT  PottHead | 04/01/09
RE: Linux Foundation: Let's kill Microsoft's FAT  PottHead | 04/01/09
MS Exerts Rights - Industry Wins  omniprovident@... | 04/01/09
RE: Linux Foundation: Let's kill Microsoft's FAT  ThereThere | 04/01/09
Microsoft's new "business" tactic: harassment by proxie  walterbyrd@... | 04/01/09
Google, Apple MS  CrashPad | 04/01/09
Donnieboy-RE: Linux Foundation: Let's kill Microsoft's FAT  e_ecruz | 04/01/09
Here Here  rbslack@... | 04/01/09
Yo, why do you take my posts on Linux suing Tom Tom down?  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/01/09
FYI: Remeber that I TOLD YOU MS would win.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/01/09
RE: Linux Foundation: Let's kill Microsoft's FAT  Col Mustard | 04/01/09
We need industry consensus for a new filesystem  overnout | 04/01/09
RE: Linux Foundation: Let's kill Microsoft's FAT  bigpicture | 04/01/09
FAT is dead already  Gradius2 | 04/02/09
RE: Linux Foundation: Let's kill Microsoft's FAT  BOSS4908 | 04/03/09
RE: Linux Foundation: Let's kill Microsoft's FAT  jfreedle2@... | 04/13/09
RE: Linux Foundation: Let's kill Microsoft's FAT  newton3 | 04/26/09

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