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Couldnt have said it better myself...
George you pointed out specifically in your article that Comcast COULD change to the DOCSIS 3.0 networks vice the DOCSIS 1.1 network they have now (which a previous discussion I believe it was determined this has been around since 1999)..so Comcast deserves to be smacked down because THEY caused a lot of the problems on the network today by not investing properly into the network itself. Thus they have to resort to these low tactics and impede the legitimate use of torrents. Yes you say if they get some huge fine it will stall the roll out of DOCSIS 3.0...which may be true but we all know they have lots of money to throw around anyway so its a moot point, HOWEVER, dont you think that would get all the other companies in high gear rolling out the same technology so THEY dont get hit with a fine? Point is Comcast could have done more to help alleviate these issues from their end and they failed and must be dealt with appropriately -- even if it means a fine along with a managed rollout cycle since they couldnt do it themselves.
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Couldnt have said it better myself...  JT82 | 02/26/08
Now you tell me what we should do with all those small independent wireless  georgeou | 02/26/08
Thats not whats at the subject of discussion..  JT82 | 02/26/08
Oh really? You think regulations only stop at Comcast?  georgeou | 02/26/08
Nope. They apply to everyone.  JT82 | 02/26/08
No, Cox isn't using DOCSIS 2/3 that I'm aware of  georgeou | 02/26/08
Check the Hampton Roads, VA market...  JT82 | 02/26/08
Re: Cox Dociis 2/3  notsofast | 02/27/08
Cox manages their network too.  georgeou | 02/28/08
At least they are being honest about it..  JT82 | 02/29/08
We don't want to go metered.  woot@... | 02/26/08
Thnaks for your reply, please email me  georgeou | 02/26/08
I am a small, independent wireless ISP  RestonTechAlec | 02/26/08
Seems fair to me...  JT82 | 02/26/08
There are at least 8000 independent wireless ISPs  woot@... | 02/26/08
No one is arguing the ISP cant manage their bandwith..  JT82 | 02/26/08
Yes, they are. Read the Free Press petition.  woot@... | 02/26/08
I agree with you 100%.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/26/08
Won't help.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/26/08
True but..  JT82 | 02/26/08
Or they could block it completely.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/26/08
Says who?  JT82 | 02/26/08
The commonly accepted definition of a server  Knorthern Knight | 02/26/08
Are you kidding me ...  MisterMiester | 03/01/08
Comcast is a piece of work...  mlongue1 | 02/29/08
Comcast blocks BT at all times, not just peak usage.  JTRockville | 02/26/08
That is patently false  georgeou | 02/26/08
As of a couple weeks ago...  olePigeon | 02/26/08
Submit a chart with actual data  georgeou | 02/26/08
Your problem ...  rjcarlson49 | 03/03/08
So it's only true if someone has charts?  Letophoro | 02/26/08
Robb Topolski has confirmed Comcast is blocking 24/7.  JTRockville | 02/26/08
Robb has presented zero data  georgeou | 02/26/08
So what?  MisterMiester | 02/26/08
This is a civilized country. Innocent till proven guilty.  georgeou | 02/26/08
Propaganda again, George?  MisterMiester | 03/01/08
Did you ask him for data?  JTRockville | 02/27/08
Richard Bennett asked him for it  georgeou | 02/27/08
Same thing here ...  MisterMiester | 02/26/08
george all though i agree with your points he iis right about cox  SO.CAL Guy | 02/26/08
Ok, you're right  georgeou | 02/26/08
Thank you George.  JT82 | 02/26/08
Guilty of being DOCSIS 1.1? Sure.  georgeou | 02/26/08
No. Guilty of poor network management  JT82 | 02/26/08
Re: Ok, you're right  none none | 02/26/08
No they can't...  olePigeon | 02/26/08
Wakeup call for all ISPs....  techboy_z | 02/26/08
What happens if you're a Wireless ISP?  georgeou | 02/26/08
What are you talking about?  techboy_z | 02/26/08
Or the ISPs triple the cost  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/26/08
BT isnt just "stealing movies"  JT82 | 02/26/08
no his point is spot on most of the BT and p2p traffic is traffic  SO.CAL Guy | 02/26/08
no his point is spot on most of the BT and p2p traffic is pirated content  SO.CAL Guy | 02/26/08
An argument that FAILS completely. Go to a  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/26/08
Again you are looking at a small number..  JT82 | 02/26/08
Not at all  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/26/08
No one is arguing whats on that "list"  JT82 | 02/26/08
Honestly, no one buys your argument.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/26/08
Not everyone can.  JT82 | 02/26/08
No choice for me either  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/26/08
Re: No choice for me either  none none | 02/26/08
No matter how big the pipe.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/26/08
Hmm, did you change camps?  georgeou | 02/26/08
Yes, no and sort of  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/26/08
Except it was never about that  georgeou | 02/26/08
Again, its a matter of trust  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/26/08
No, but even Markey has backed off the ban on QoS charges  georgeou | 02/26/08
Ok, on that much we can agree.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/26/08
Did you read the part where I said QoS has no effect on Video and websites?  georgeou | 02/26/08
Yes I have read it George  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/26/08
You fail to cite specific examples  georgeou | 02/26/08
No Axe where is your evidence...  mrOSX | 02/26/08
Simple, go to any torrent site  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/26/08
Thats still a small subset of ALL BT/P2P usage  JT82 | 02/26/08
You are kidding no one but yourself.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/26/08
Not only that, but the site tells you how many peers are on it  georgeou | 02/26/08
Yup, the facts are plain to see, if your willing to open  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/26/08
mrOSX unless you have your head in the sand you would know his  SO.CAL Guy | 02/26/08
He is trying to fool himself...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/26/08
I don't mind fair pricing  Michael Kelly | 02/26/08
I agree, they need to be clear on the rules  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/26/08
Metered Internet is still bad...  JT82 | 02/26/08
I don' think you have any idea  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/26/08
Well no i dont, for a large ISP..  JT82 | 02/26/08
Yes, no, and not really...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/26/08
Ofcourse they dont  JT82 | 02/26/08
If you are that unhappy with your provider, change  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/26/08
This is where i ment to put this...  JT82 | 02/26/08
Comcast makes Billions in profit.  Letophoro | 02/26/08
10% is not a huge margin  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/26/08
Tell that to everyone up in arms against Exxon.  Letophoro | 02/26/08
profit from Internet, or tv?  JetJaguar | 02/26/08
Does it matter?  Letophoro | 02/26/08
I don't think I've ever seen spam  Michael Kelly | 02/26/08
No it doest but it was to articulate a point...  JT82 | 02/26/08
It's much more profitable for Comcast to NOT upgrade  WiredGuy | 02/26/08
Chart label incorrect  rpmyers1 | 02/26/08
Ah thanks, it's late night  georgeou | 02/26/08
No wait, it was correct all along  georgeou | 02/26/08
Chart says "Average upstream kilobyte/s"  rpmyers1 | 02/26/08
Ah the graph, ok fixed that. Thanks  georgeou | 02/26/08
It could be far worse, they could  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/26/08
Not exactly  JT82 | 02/26/08
Splitting a hair that doesn't exist.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/26/08
Technical and legal definitions may vary  JT82 | 02/26/08
As I said, all it takes is a little monitoring  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/26/08
I hear you  JT82 | 02/26/08
Yeah, I suppose you could try a suit.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/26/08
Define "Server"  NetArch. | 02/26/08
The test is so much simpler than that.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/26/08
A server is...  Knorthern Knight | 02/26/08
A server is a server. 24x7 saturation of the upstream is prohibited.  georgeou | 02/26/08
Comcast blocks SMTP period  georgeou | 02/26/08
and thats reasonable network management happy [NT]  JT82 | 02/26/08
TOS is what it is.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 02/26/08
Re: Comcast blocks SMTP period  none none | 02/26/08
They block port 25 to all external IPs  georgeou | 02/26/08
Re: They block port 25 to all external IPs  none none | 02/26/08
A user option to limit bandwidth usage ....  kd5auq | 02/26/08
They do  JT82 | 02/26/08
Problem is that people don't  georgeou | 02/26/08
No, problem is toy broadband  XP user | 02/27/08
What worries me  NoThomas | 02/26/08
I clearly stated that VoIP should never be blocked  georgeou | 02/26/08
Maybe not blocked, but degraded?  NetArch. | 02/27/08
RE: FCC hearings: Comcast versus Vuze  none none | 02/26/08
because the ISP's say so  JT82 | 02/26/08
key word being "that do not harm the network"  georgeou | 02/26/08
Comcast PAID People To Fill The Courtroom  iwillnotbestopped@... | 02/26/08
Bandwidth  bharris0@... | 02/27/08
RE: FCC hearings: Comcast versus Vuze  jhurst747 | 02/27/08
DOCSIS 3.0  jhurst747 | 02/27/08
16 Mbps is usually DOCSIS 3.0. Especially if it's 2 Mbps upstream  georgeou | 02/27/08
Ou! Ou! Ou-No! I ASSume...  senacharim@... | 02/27/08
Usage-based pricing model  heliomphalodon | 02/27/08
10% of billions is not bad  dchester11 | 02/27/08
US is lagging on internet regulations  dchester11 | 02/27/08
RE: FCC hearings: Comcast versus Vuze  Jimbaber | 02/27/08
AND - The Champion For Big Telco Strikes Again!  drprod@... | 02/27/08
Here's what I said about Telco abuse  georgeou | 03/01/08

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