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Indeed but not at $3000
You built a server not a wrkstation, and a stripped down server at that, without disk or memory, and without a decent workstation class garphic card.

If you want to build a dual xeon with 1600 FSB today, and still keep the workstation components, taht will cost you beween $7000 and $10000. As of today you will have a $1000 advantage to Apple.

The reason for that is I think that apple made the decision, supported by intel, to ship only 1600 MHz FSB, whereas this is still a niche configuration for Dell. The xeon E5462 has only be shipped to apple to date ( if thei quand core 2.8 GhZ 1600 FSB processor is indeed the E5462 ). You can also look at the price premium asked by apple and dell for 800MHz memory, and you can se that Dell outcharge apple by a factor 2 to 3. That is not a common feat, and clearly indicate that dell does not want to sell such configuration today.

But how will things change in a near future ? as soon as intel start shipping 5462 to manufacturers, the prices will drop, and, as Apple will not change its pricing, they will get back in their usual place as an overpriced seller in the workstation market.

By the way in your $3000 configuration, you can drop the 8800GT IMHA, as if you need 3D, it's far bellow required levels, and if you dont you just throw bucks away.
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Indeed but not at $3000  s_souche | 01/28/08
Can't say I see a lot in your post to complain about..DARN!  James Quinn | 01/28/08
I can find a big- and easy - complaint  JoeBob_z | 02/01/08
You can make up whatever you want.  rtk | 02/01/08
Video...  mrOSX | 01/28/08
need to check with apple  s_souche | 01/28/08
8800GT is a great gaming card, odd choice for a workstation... (NT)  mlambert890@... | 01/28/08
is it even possible to buy a workstation video card in the macpro? (NT)  batres | 02/01/08
Thanks for the response.  mrOSX | 01/29/08
Quadro / FireGL for Workstations (if PC based)  Scrat | 01/28/08
spot on!  mlambert890@... | 01/28/08
To rehash my previous statement  nucrash | 01/28/08
You are correct sir....  James Quinn | 01/28/08
Intel is just as guilty of this  nucrash | 01/28/08
Erm....  Spiritusindomit@... | 01/28/08
sun Ultra 40 M2 is $4900 not $1900  s_souche | 01/29/08
While the starting price..  msalzberg | 01/29/08
You are correct, but one thing is different this time.  georgeou | 01/28/08
but...  doh123 | 01/28/08
It was much more expensive than building a clone back then  georgeou | 01/28/08
thats not true  doh123 | 01/28/08
The last Mac Pro refresh was the same way.  nucrash | 01/28/08
The First Commandment  frgough | 01/28/08
The Second Commandment  nucrash | 01/28/08
The Third Commandment  nucrash | 01/28/08
How is the average user supposed to know this?  NonZealot | 01/28/08
I don't know of many "Average" users buying  James Quinn | 01/28/08
Buyer Beware  voska1 | 01/28/08
This is a different situation  NonZealot | 01/28/08
who said DIY anything was bad?  Tigertank | 01/28/08
It's a regular argument  voska1 | 01/28/08
It's a regular argument? From who?  rameeti | 01/28/08
Same stuff you hear on message boards over the decades  voska1 | 01/28/08
Um, well, NO, actually  MarcB_z | 01/28/08
Not true...  pwg999 | 01/28/08
Why would anyone...?  vulpine@... | 01/28/08
Sheesh you apple nuts are nuts  voska1 | 01/28/08
typical.  Tigertank | 01/28/08
Huh?  Axsimulate | 01/30/08
Memory and Drives  danson@... | 01/28/08
May I translate?  NonZealot | 01/28/08
I don't think you need to open the case  voska1 | 01/28/08
Right  MarcB_z | 01/28/08
Weak point  dave95. | 01/28/08
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its called  richvball44 | 01/29/08
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Mac Pro users  djchandler | 01/28/08
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Research  nucrash | 01/28/08
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Adding third party memory and drives  rickbarretttx | 03/09/08
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Why would you replace the base RAM and HD?  j.m.galvin | 01/28/08
5400 chipset is four channel  s_souche | 01/28/08
I still don't understand  j.m.galvin | 01/28/08
Memory modules have to be indentical  s_souche | 01/28/08
Somebody doesn't seem to know how to read.  vulpine@... | 01/28/08
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Nothing  j.m.galvin | 01/28/08
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Gee I wonder what this Crucial page is for  xhpconsultant | 01/28/08
My response was related to the statement...  mrOSX | 01/29/08
Expansion  vulpine@... | 01/28/08
Technically it could be a problem but unless you are  James Quinn | 01/28/08
You are covered by the Magnusson-Moss act  fazalmajid | 01/28/08
remove it  richvball44 | 01/30/08
apple warrenty suck  dave@... | 01/28/08
It may be the cheapest...  D. T. Schmitz | 01/28/08
Nice!!  NonZealot | 01/28/08
Dongle Boy able to spout nonsense is a otherwise  James Quinn | 01/28/08
Here is proof, boys and girls  MarcB_z | 01/28/08
I bet he's BLIND!  James Quinn | 01/28/08
I see..  msalzberg | 01/28/08
Tell us your troubles  D. T. Schmitz | 01/28/08
Look, everyone!  msalzberg | 01/29/08
Have you figured out what a dongle really is?  Bruizer | 02/02/08
That's how it works, most Mac users buy RAM and HDDs 3rd party. [nt]  olePigeon | 01/28/08
I told you so...  t_mohajir | 01/28/08
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They were pretty close  t_mohajir | 01/28/08
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Ram is ram  georgeou | 01/28/08
One note  j.m.galvin | 01/28/08
Do you have a price for their memory?  georgeou | 01/28/08
Here  j.m.galvin | 01/28/08
You don't mix 1GB with 2GB  georgeou | 01/28/08
$220 for 4GB from OWC  davebarnes | 01/28/08
thanks  georgeou | 01/28/08
As long as it has the heatsinks  t_mohajir | 01/28/08
yes....  doh123 | 01/28/08
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Norton Ghost?  vulpine@... | 01/28/08
Message has been deleted.  steveballmerh@... | 01/28/08
George, ignore the troll.  Grayson Peddie | 01/28/08
I read it and it wasn't offensive, he was just joking  georgeou | 01/28/08
I'm confused!  manmicrosoft@... | 01/28/08
But he isn't a Moderator  nucrash | 01/29/08
Workstation actually built for S3353  brick@... | 01/28/08
Excellent, glad you got a great deal  georgeou | 01/28/08
One thing...  zkiwi | 01/28/08
I've always posted the straight scoop on Apple  georgeou | 01/28/08
666?  zkiwi | 01/28/08
Yeah, I noticed that number  georgeou | 01/28/08
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Must. Stop. Laughing.  msalzberg | 01/28/08
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You can't be inferring...  msalzberg | 01/29/08
Can't. Catch. My. Breath.  msalzberg | 01/29/08
Not the cheapest by far!  manmicrosoft@... | 01/28/08
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I said equivalent, and you didn't use the same CPU  georgeou | 01/28/08
No pb  zpdixon 42 | 01/29/08
You missed something  s_souche | 01/29/08
Intel suffers from low yields or is capacity-constrained  zpdixon 42 | 01/29/08
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IEEE 1394  djchandler | 01/28/08
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Win XP Pro for $132 USD  davebarnes | 01/29/08
I already answered that.  zpdixon 42 | 01/29/08
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As long as Jobs knows you are pissed off!  NonZealot | 01/29/08
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Curious if the 25% ..  msalzberg | 01/29/08
You included VAT in your price  j.m.galvin | 01/29/08
in the real world  coffeeshark | 01/29/08
George has fallen for the same trap that most Mac reviewers fall for  NonZealot | 01/29/08
Wrong again... sigh. Fish...barrel. Barrel.....fish.  James Quinn | 01/29/08
Bull, George said they couldn't DIY it without paying more.  ajole | 01/29/08
Really?  Rick_K | 01/29/08
Yes, Really!  ajole | 01/29/08
Non-Mac world?  Tigertank | 01/30/08
Ever buy a car?  msalzberg | 01/30/08
Really odd for you to say that.  Rick_K | 01/29/08
Actually, you can remove them.  ajole | 01/29/08
Not true at all.  Rick_K | 01/31/08
I never said I wouldn't build my own or I would buy Mac Pro  georgeou | 01/30/08
RAID-1 in OS X and Windows?  rich@... | 01/29/08
All these motherboards have RAID built-in  georgeou | 01/30/08
That doesn't answer my question...  rich@... | 01/30/08
I never implied you were incompetent  georgeou | 01/30/08
We set it up in OS X  JoeBob_z | 02/01/08
Bootcamp is a boot loader  Aerial | 02/18/08
Sorry for garbled post above  Aerial | 02/18/08
You don't know what Mac users do?  Aerial | 02/18/08
That's 10 MB for $700  Aerial | 02/18/08

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