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do you have any clue what you're talking about.....
George,

Stick to the subjects you actually have knowledge about.

If I would reverse it, the SOX compliance has costed companies which are listed @ the NYSE enormous amounts of money regardless where they where based.... Is that also a Tarif which bypasses WTO?

Apples investigation is not about monopoly power, it's about different prices in several countries and forbidding people to buy the stuff where it is cheapest within the EU. Nowhere in the official EU documents there's a mention of investigation with respect of monopoly against Apple. The only reference i found seems to link it to a remark of another commisioner Meglena Kuneva, EC Commissioner for Consumer Protection.


Now let's have a look at the WTO website: There are more complaints against the US than against any other state. So who do you think is putting more barriers in international trade.....
http://www.wto.org/english/tratop_e/dispu_e/dispu_by_country_e.htm

The think tank you're mentioning "The globalization Institute" is not even linked/payed for by the EU. You're totally free to submit you're paper to the EU making you're case for not unbundling. I bet there are dozens of this kind of institute that try to influence policy making....
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Read the original PDF  icheyne | 09/26/07
And you call that choice?  georgeou | 09/26/07
That doesn't stop the OEM installing the users choice  deaf_e_kate | 09/26/07
Re-read the PDF paper, especially the part about the ban.  georgeou | 09/26/07
I cant see anything about a ban, do you mean  deaf_e_kate | 09/26/07
Sad  georgeou | 09/26/07
re:sad  deaf_e_kate | 09/27/07
So, Where's the ban.  Update victim | 09/27/07
Sweet!!!  i8thecat | 10/12/07
to i8thecat: awesome  blarman_z | 12/13/07
No ban. And no mention that resellers can not sell install services.  nomoremicrosoft | 09/26/07
Hard to read when you have filters on  georgeou | 09/26/07
Sorry George  deaf_e_kate | 09/27/07
AGREED, Please take yours off. (NT)  Update victim | 09/27/07
As I do  dwjunix | 09/26/07
It Would include Apple.  ShadeTree | 09/27/07
Check it out in this country  rhomp2002@... | 09/27/07
Dealing with wrong people...  magpie_z | 09/27/07
@ georgeou RE: BAN  AJ-Ubuntu-User | 09/27/07
Choice?  Bozzer | 09/26/07
Read what I said I would do  georgeou | 09/26/07
No, but that's because  notsofast | 09/26/07
EU Ban  Techanalyst | 09/27/07
Installation difficulties?  Update victim | 09/27/07
Read the license...  magpie_z | 09/27/07
read the post  jmelnik | 12/13/07
That is not blanket  alaniane@... | 12/17/07
Do you even know the whole story?  AJ-Ubuntu-User | 09/27/07
Not so easy for a non-tech TO install boxed Windows  deaf_e_kate | 09/26/07
Then I guess Windows isn't the easiest OS on the planet.  nomoremicrosoft | 09/26/07
Technically  alaniane@... | 12/17/07
That's right, Ubuntu is generally easier  stevey_d | 09/26/07
it's a Sony VAIO VGN-N31S by the way  stevey_d | 09/26/07
...  Badgered | 09/26/07
Ubuntu is very simple to install  dwjunix | 09/26/07
Vista is easy to install...  socialism=nowhere | 12/13/07
Easy to install is relative  alaniane@... | 12/17/07
Sometimes...  FatherJ | 12/13/07
Your Lucky...Vista was smooth Ubunut was a  socialism=nowhere | 12/13/07
Then WINDOWS may NOT be the best choice. (NT)  Update victim | 09/27/07
Give me a break - easier than Linux  socialism=nowhere | 12/13/07
Its easy when you're mildly technically minded  ebudae@... | 09/26/07
Shhh...  nucrash | 09/26/07
but your mom and sisters......  mad tabby | 09/27/07
Are these people illerate? Unable to read?  Update victim | 09/27/07
Are these people illerate  domlanic@... | 12/13/07
No, they're not illiterate  alaniane@... | 12/17/07
You may not have a problem...  mrOSX | 09/26/07
I can NOT believe this  dwjunix | 09/26/07
My wife uses a computer  alaniane@... | 12/17/07
IT IS NOT AN OFFICIAL EU DOCUMENT!!!!!!!  tombalablomba | 09/26/07
re: IT IS NOT AN OFFICIAL EU DOCUMENT!!!!!!!  M.R. Kennedy | 09/26/07
Stories like this are the reason...  BobF_z | 09/27/07
You're insane  marksashton | 09/26/07
And if these suggestions were put into place...  nomoremicrosoft | 09/26/07
Please tell me where you can buy Windows OEM for $50 and please tell me who  georgeou | 09/26/07
dont know who sells it for $50  richvball44 | 09/27/07
Say What?  yagijd | 09/27/07
try ubuntu or osx, markashton  stevey_d | 09/26/07
I personally don't know of anyone ...  socialism=nowhere | 12/13/07
I've had problems with XP  alaniane@... | 12/17/07
I just went to Costco  dwjunix | 09/26/07
You may not see that as a problem  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 09/26/07
RU JOKING?  notsofast | 09/26/07
European Anti-American stance because of George W. Bush.  Solid Jedi Knight | 09/26/07
can you back that up?  richvball44 | 09/27/07
You are a little late to the market on that BS  rhomp2002@... | 09/27/07
Why has Zdnet not canned George Ou?  as901 | 09/27/07
Honest and unbiased...  rapson | 09/27/07
Well...  zkiwi | 09/27/07
Maybe because he's right?  FatherJ | 12/13/07
blog != journalism (nt)  jmelnik | 12/13/07
In what world do you live in?  Apache19 | 09/27/07
do you have any clue what you're talking about.....  tombalablomba | 09/26/07
SOX applies to all companies, not just targeted at Europe  georgeou | 09/26/07
"That is a level playing ground for all companies doing business in the US"  deaf_e_kate | 09/26/07
Read my post again, I said I was against SOX  georgeou | 09/26/07
Admission of ignorance?  Scrat | 09/26/07
Fair,  tombalablomba | 09/26/07
Don't expect George to reply to this one.  nizuse | 09/27/07
George, you clamming up would be the most productive thing you have done !  nomoremicrosoft | 09/26/07
I have been censored several times  Linux User 147560 | 09/26/07
This court action is targeted against Microsoft, not all of America  stevey_d | 09/26/07
No George  nizuse | 09/27/07
RE: Europe's new 'monopoly' tariff on Microsoft bypasses WTO  MrJamin | 09/26/07
only  richvball44 | 09/27/07
EC were not the only one in history to think Microsoft act as a monopoly  s_souche | 09/26/07
Microsoft complied with the EC  georgeou | 09/26/07
Compliance ...  s_souche | 09/26/07
this blows away George's whole article  stevey_d | 09/26/07
i don't agree  s_souche | 09/26/07
"Compliance" is easily defined if you have a pre-determined goal  georgeou | 09/26/07
You're confused  zkiwi | 09/26/07
you are  xuniL_z | 09/26/07
And you seem to think  zkiwi | 09/26/07
the key word here must be  xuniL_z | 09/27/07
It's simple really  zkiwi | 09/27/07
Huh??  xuniL_z | 09/27/07
If that were so...  CFKane | 09/27/07
Please show the world  zkiwi | 09/26/07
Microsoft gave them  xuniL_z | 09/26/07
Guess what?  zkiwi | 09/27/07
It was suppose to be ironic.  xuniL_z | 09/27/07
I seriously have to say  xuniL_z | 09/29/07
Andy?  zkiwi | 09/30/07
A straight answer to back that up  CFKane | 09/26/07
Nice try but Microsoft has never been operated as an American Company  mighetto | 09/26/07
Money offshored to Ireland ...  MisterMiester | 09/26/07
George, why bother. It's over. The requests are subjective  xuniL_z | 09/26/07
Revisionist history  MacCanuck | 09/26/07
hey xinul z  Quebec-french | 09/26/07
hey qeubec - fernch  xuniL_z | 09/26/07
Clarifying.  Anton Philidor | 09/26/07
It's probably not deliberate  alaniane@... | 12/17/07
Delusional George is at it again!  nomoremicrosoft | 09/26/07
What planet are you on?  Bozzer | 09/26/07
Microsoft is a master at passive resistance  Resuna | 09/26/07
RE: Europe's new 'monopoly' tariff on Microsoft bypasses WTO  deaf_e_kate | 09/26/07
good post  stevey_d | 09/26/07
You're missing the point  zkiwi | 09/26/07
Don't forget  Roger Ramjet | 09/26/07
Media Players  andycher | 09/26/07
The point has been missed.  xuniL_z | 09/26/07
Well...  zkiwi | 09/26/07
how about  xuniL_z | 09/26/07
How's about  zkiwi | 09/26/07
How's about  xuniL_z | 09/26/07
Oh look...  zkiwi | 09/26/07
How about getting some facts straight...  MacCanuck | 09/26/07
yeah, whatever.  xuniL_z | 09/26/07
xuniL_z - "Facts" still wrong and, well... ???  MacCanuck | 09/26/07
How do I expect....  xuniL_z | 09/26/07
re: Well...  M.R. Kennedy | 09/26/07
Popularity or Criminal Monopolist?  Roger Ramjet | 09/26/07
So, what are you saying then?  xuniL_z | 09/26/07
Whoa!  Roger Ramjet | 09/26/07
I agree.  xuniL_z | 09/26/07
Bad analogy  rhomp2002@... | 09/27/07
Your example  alaniane@... | 12/17/07
re: Don't forget  M.R. Kennedy | 09/26/07
Freedom of choice.....Wouldn't be prudent......  nwoodson@... | 09/26/07
re: Freedom of choice.....Wouldn't be prudent......  johnay | 09/26/07
RE: Europe's new 'monopoly' tariff on Microsoft bypasses WTO  Henrik Moller | 09/26/07
Typical George Ou ...  MisterMiester | 09/26/07
Ditto and 100%  startx.jeff | 09/26/07
Give it a rest...  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/26/07
No reason to belittle NoAxe...  nizuse | 09/27/07
what about Apple?  patibulo | 09/26/07
about apple  Quebec-french | 09/26/07
force them?  Tigertank | 09/26/07
tiger tank i was responding to the post before mine see  Quebec-french | 09/26/07
I disagree Tiger.  nomoremicrosoft | 09/26/07
Keep in mind...  rapson | 09/26/07
You don't recall history very well.  nomoremicrosoft | 09/26/07
Food for thought  tombalablomba | 09/26/07
I think Apple's media sales have come to an end with Amazoin MP3  stevey_d | 09/26/07
An embarrassing combination of ignorance and prejudice  CFKane | 09/26/07
wrong  s_souche | 09/26/07
Read again  CFKane | 09/26/07
Commission can impose but the Courts validate.  nomoremicrosoft | 09/26/07
Sorry to burst your bubble  zkiwi | 09/26/07
It's worse than that  CFKane | 09/26/07
Well...  zkiwi | 09/26/07
What good are page hits  xuniL_z | 09/26/07
You're not even coherent  zkiwi | 09/26/07
Ads?  Linux User 147560 | 09/26/07
That was my point  xuniL_z | 09/26/07
I am quite sure....  xuniL_z | 09/26/07
Please get it thru your head...  MacCanuck | 09/26/07
Oh please MacCannuck  xuniL_z | 09/26/07
L2Read  FatherJ | 12/13/07
Smoking dope ...  doug@... | 09/26/07
Here, Here  nwoodson@... | 09/26/07
I generally agree  TripleII | 09/26/07
Read the PDF first ...  MisterMiester | 09/26/07
price.  s_souche | 09/26/07
Obviously you didn't read the PDF ...  MisterMiester | 09/26/07
lol  Badgered | 09/26/07
well....  Badgered | 09/26/07
Not really ...  MisterMiester | 09/26/07
Re: Not really ...  s_souche | 09/26/07
I do read  s_souche | 09/26/07
It would actually cost less  TripleII | 09/26/07
Even better than that  MisterMiester | 09/26/07
It could cause a problem  j.m.galvin | 09/26/07
My Ideastorm idea  TripleII | 09/26/07
Just like DOS diagnostics ...  MisterMiester | 09/26/07
costs  s_souche | 09/26/07
It has another huge perk  TripleII | 09/26/07
Well ...  MisterMiester | 09/26/07
Some vendors complained  TripleII | 09/26/07
Yes, ZDNet censors these replies.  nomoremicrosoft | 09/26/07
As it has every right to  rapson | 09/26/07
Then perhaps they should inform their readers?  nomoremicrosoft | 09/26/07
nomoremicrosoft: they do  rapson | 09/26/07
It's a public forum of communication...  Linux User 147560 | 09/27/07
Linux User: No it's not  rapson | 09/27/07
re: Yes, ZDNet censors these replies.  M.R. Kennedy | 09/26/07
Man you dreaming or what - dude this is planet  socialism=nowhere | 12/13/07
Oh yes they do...  Linux User 147560 | 09/27/07
And what was in there...may language..  socialism=nowhere | 12/13/07
The EC is a regulatory agency.  Anton Philidor | 09/26/07
Utter nonsense Anton  stevey_d | 09/26/07
Utter nonsense  M.R. Kennedy | 09/26/07
Yes, the politicians gave the EC power...  Anton Philidor | 09/26/07
The preferred method for fixing monopoly abuse  dfolk | 09/26/07
George Ou...just another Microsoft Shill.  nomoremicrosoft | 09/26/07
Message has been deleted.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/26/07
Hey NoAxe - what's up?  nizuse | 09/27/07
Waving the flag doesn't excuse nonsense  Golodh2 | 09/26/07
RE: Europe's new 'monopoly' tariff on Microsoft bypasses WTO  lewcock@... | 09/26/07
The EC has lost its mind!  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/26/07
When competition is considered good in itself.  Anton Philidor | 09/26/07
No confiscation of IP. Only requirement to document protocols.  nomoremicrosoft | 09/26/07
Bzzzzt wrong, they stole the IP  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/26/07
How about some more detail?  zkiwi | 09/27/07
Sorry Anton, Your rant is off subject.  Update victim | 09/27/07
No, you can buy SOME without an OS  TripleII | 09/26/07
Fixed link  TripleII | 09/26/07
re: Fixed link  M.R. Kennedy | 09/26/07
Original link has been disabled due to network traffic load.  nomoremicrosoft | 09/26/07
Then you complaint is with that specific OEM  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/26/07
Now be serious  TripleII | 09/26/07
On the lost mind concept  zkiwi | 09/26/07
re: On the lost mind concept  M.R. Kennedy | 09/26/07
Well...  zkiwi | 09/26/07
Of course I know the think tank was asked to  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/26/07
You do?  zkiwi | 09/26/07
Well.  xuniL_z | 09/27/07
Seeing as you still haven't noticed  zkiwi | 09/27/07
Oh  xuniL_z | 09/27/07
for what it matters, mainly  xuniL_z | 09/27/07
reading 101  tombalablomba | 09/26/07
Do you purport that the PDF is from the EC?  nomoremicrosoft | 09/26/07
Of course not, the think tank is a puppet  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/26/07
Show me!!  Bozzer | 09/26/07
YOur limitations do NOT mean everyone is so limited.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/26/07
Answer the question.  Bozzer | 09/27/07
Chill out NoAxe...  nizuse | 09/27/07
It sounds NoAxe is angry.  nizuse | 09/27/07
Should this move ever be tried the ramifications  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/26/07
I agree  TripleII | 09/26/07
If there were a demand for them  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/26/07
No, its the enforced tax  TripleII | 09/26/07
or what you gonna throw a tamtrum wee man  Quebec-french | 09/26/07
I got your wee man, right in your  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/26/07
NoAxe - stop insulting other people  nizuse | 09/27/07
Apparently they do want to go there  magcomment | 09/26/07
Oh, heavens forbid ...  MisterMiester | 09/26/07
Except that complainants against MS are also American  j.m.galvin | 09/26/07
Complaints and anti-trust I agree with  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/26/07
Doesn't involve oil so...  voska | 09/26/07
Why would the US care?  zkiwi | 09/26/07
Particularly since the US government cares about taxes.  nomoremicrosoft | 09/26/07
all Microsoft IP has apparently been moved to Ireland in any case  stevey_d | 09/26/07
My point exactly. Microsoft does not contribute to the US.  nomoremicrosoft | 09/26/07
Well that's good for the EU ...  MisterMiester | 09/26/07
Hmmm...  zkiwi | 09/26/07
it was sixteen billion dollars, Dougal, you CAN'T have spent it all..  stevey_d | 09/26/07
Precedence.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 09/26/07
Again ....  nizuse | 09/27/07
Oooh.  Bozzer | 09/26/07
EU GDP is larger than the USA  stevey_d | 09/26/07
RE: Europe's new 'monopoly' tariff on Microsoft bypasses WTO  gimpgrok@... | 09/26/07
RE: Europe's new 'monopoly' tariff on Microsoft bypasses WTO  martin23 | 09/26/07
Sometimes the EU just makes me laugh  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 09/26/07
You haven't read the article properly  stevey_d | 09/26/07
Ok, the "Focus Group" makes me laugh  Kid Icarus-21097050858087920245213802267493 | 09/26/07
French court says non to pre-loaded Windows on Acer laptop  D. T. Schmitz | 09/26/07
Dang...  TripleII | 09/26/07
Viva La Francais!!!  MisterMiester | 09/26/07
You mischaracterise the ruling  shis-ka-bob | 09/26/07
Jingoism? Doesn't fit  D. T. Schmitz | 09/26/07
That would be Georges  georgeou | 09/26/07
How do I complain about you.  Bozzer | 09/26/07
GeourgeOu  mtgarden | 09/26/07
Thanks, good post. nt  georgeou | 09/26/07
Some corrections  GW Mahoney | 09/26/07
Maybe I wasn't entirely clear  mtgarden | 09/27/07
Oh, and  mtgarden | 09/27/07
"Real World"  FatherJ | 12/13/07
RE: Europe's new 'monopoly' tariff on Microsoft bypasses WTO  wrcflier@... | 09/26/07
This idea has merit, but it would be silly to force the users to install  GW Mahoney | 09/26/07
the point is that george says microsoft complied  stevey_d | 09/26/07
Yeah, Microsoft is that despicable.  nomoremicrosoft | 09/26/07
Now that is kind of freaky...  zkiwi | 09/26/07
RE: Europe's new 'monopoly' tariff on Microsoft bypasses WTO  goldenpirate@... | 09/26/07
Goldenpirate - I am glad you are disgusted with the comments posted.  nomoremicrosoft | 09/26/07
You should be disgusted with the blog writer  goldenpirate@... | 09/28/07
One thing...  zkiwi | 09/26/07
A few things.  xuniL_z | 09/26/07
Oh look...  zkiwi | 09/26/07
how's about  xuniL_z | 09/27/07
You obviously got your RDF on the cheap  zkiwi | 09/27/07
Yep. It's actually free. You'd not know of it, but it's called.....  xuniL_z | 09/27/07
Keep on telling yourself that  zkiwi | 09/27/07
You mean to say the point of this is to...  xuniL_z | 09/27/07
People will get real choice if a new law would be in place: ...  Vily Clay | 09/26/07
Re:  jnoooo | 09/27/07
Why didn't you read my entire post? I wrote a solution to your concern (NT)  Vily Clay | 09/28/07
SPIN: Big difference between a fine and a tariff.  jjarman | 09/26/07
Interop/Samba: Insanity and the standards process  D. T. Schmitz | 09/26/07
Are most of the ZDNET posters European?  tonymcs@... | 09/26/07
Perhaps...  rapson | 09/27/07
All this is doing is forcing people to request Microsoft  nucrash | 09/26/07
That's something we'd like to see  TripleII | 09/27/07
Real Choice is Better ...  MisterMiester | 09/28/07
RE: Europe's new 'monopoly' tariff on Microsoft bypasses WTO  aldisp@... | 09/27/07
RE: Europe's new 'monopoly' tariff on Microsoft bypasses WTO  as901 | 09/27/07
@ George  shis-ka-bob | 09/27/07
RE: Europe's new 'monopoly' tariff on Microsoft bypasses WTO  AJ-Ubuntu-User | 09/27/07
Well, maybe it'd force OEMs to provide restore DVDs again...  Mitch 74 | 09/27/07
Great comment  AJ-Ubuntu-User | 09/27/07
Re: Well, maybe it'd force OEMs to provide restore DVDs again...  none none | 09/27/07
RE: Europe's new 'monopoly' tariff on Microsoft bypasses WTO  navstar@... | 09/27/07
Ban OS PRE-INSTALLATIONS  Update victim | 09/27/07
Re:  jnoooo | 09/27/07
Really?  zkiwi | 09/27/07
Did you realize  xuniL_z | 09/28/07
RE: Europe's new 'monopoly' tariff on Microsoft bypasses WTO  pavka@... | 09/27/07
Free market?  pavka@... | 09/27/07
I seriously did not..  xuniL_z | 09/27/07
oops, not intended as reply to story. sorry  xuniL_z | 09/27/07
Windows Vista Home cost $199??  none none | 09/27/07
The vendor can't bundle the OS and have it already installed  georgeou | 09/27/07
Re: The vendor can't bundle the OS and have it already installed  none none | 09/27/07
George: Why take the bait?  reshin | 09/27/07
Hits, Hits, Hits  nizuse | 09/27/07
Yeah you're right  georgeou | 09/28/07
Perspective  ben.rattigan | 09/28/07
It is pendulum  kvo | 09/28/07
Not a tariff - it is all about competition  tony@... | 09/28/07
EU laws are joke...  socialism=nowhere | 12/13/07
I'm disappointed...  slamspam | 09/28/07
The US 'knee-jerk' reaction...  yid_witch@... | 09/28/07
funnily  xuniL_z | 09/28/07
If the rest of the world would get a grip  socialism=nowhere | 12/13/07
The real question  THEE WOLF | 09/29/07
read this US court ruling particularily findings of fact 64 to 66  stevey_d | 10/01/07
Where's my other choice, George???  laura.b | 10/02/07
Apple will never play that game...  socialism=nowhere | 12/13/07
ranting MS-lover implying that installing windows is too difficult for  wessonjoe | 10/29/07
The EU has to figure out a way to get...  socialism=nowhere | 12/13/07
Ignoring the Euro-trash responding here...  socialism=nowhere | 12/13/07
RE: Europe's new 'monopoly' tariff on Microsoft bypasses WTO  motorhead1979@... | 12/13/07
Exellent idea !!!  WhiteSand | 12/13/07
come on George!  brahmadomtao@... | 12/14/07
RE: Europe's new 'monopoly' tariff on Microsoft bypasses WTO  Aleks58 | 12/14/07
Tarfiff? Anti-american?  JDThompson | 12/14/07
RE: Europe's new 'monopoly' tariff on Microsoft bypasses WTO  kvo | 12/14/07

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