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Office and might as well throw OS bloat isnt about functionality.. silly wabbits.. Its about having something to sell every few years.

I have supported business users since Office 97, and 99.999% of everyone I have ever touched could do their jobs and every task they needed with Office 97.

MS's problem is that when everyone on the planet owns whatever the Office of the day is, they got no revenue stream, so we need to add something, market it, discontinue the previous version and make some money. Lather rinse, repeat.
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you are spot on spot on!  Prognosticator | 04/26/07
Excellent points  cyngaines | 04/26/07
Swing and a miss...  supercharlie | 04/26/07
I agree. All software vendors try to fool us this way!  GuidingLight | 04/26/07
Good grief  frgough | 04/26/07
Hear, Hear...  BFD | 04/26/07
Microsoft's method of forcing upgrades  JJQ1000 | 04/26/07
Re Microsoft's method of forcing upgrades...  Namorado_TX | 04/26/07
Forced upgrades not necessarily by Microsoft  hsec2@... | 04/30/07
Upgrades still necessarily forced by Microsoft  JJQ1000 | 06/05/07
Free Market?  piperdown | 04/26/07
User groups?  rapson | 04/26/07
Support? Most likely  GuidingLight | 04/26/07
re:Support? Most likely  jtiner | 04/26/07
You have a valid point  pmshah@... | 04/27/07
Use the same analogy  pmshah@... | 04/26/07
I was attempting a bit of sarcasm there  GuidingLight | 04/26/07
Yes they certainly may  pmshah@... | 04/27/07
RE: Good grief  joe6pack_z | 04/26/07
I disagree  pmshah@... | 04/26/07
Sigh..  supercharlie | 04/27/07
Full of ****  thungurknifur | 04/30/07
But it's NOT a question of GREED.  Wolfie2K3 | 04/26/07
Only if the features are WANTED  JJQ1000 | 04/26/07
Do you happen to work with government  xuniL_z | 04/26/07
I could use more bloat  kmatzen@... | 04/26/07
What tripe!!!!  linux for me | 04/26/07
everybody pays for EVERYTHING  AnonymousBugMeNotUser | 04/26/07
A little off the mark  voska | 04/26/07
That did not make sense to me!  khawaja.umar.farooq@... | 04/26/07
You missed one point  pmshah@... | 04/27/07
Wrong.  Wolfie2K3 | 04/26/07
Then there are sale prices and coupons n/t  ImUpAbvIt | 04/26/07
No it does not.  pmshah@... | 04/27/07
RE: What tripe!!!!  joe6pack_z | 04/26/07
slower?  dragosani | 04/26/07
Well Said  P. Douglas | 04/26/07
Another incorrect analogy  JJQ1000 | 04/26/07
Terrible Analogy  Free_Thinker | 04/26/07
The market seems to want MS Office  georgeou | 04/26/07
Want it, or are tricked into using it?  JJQ1000 | 04/26/07
Want, tricked, at the end of the day they choose MS Office  georgeou | 04/26/07
The Problem isn't giving people what they want  nucrash | 04/26/07
Correction, that's not a viewer for OfficeXML. It's a full upgrade.  georgeou | 04/26/07
What competitors?  pmshah@... | 04/27/07
Dependence is not the same as choosing  JJQ1000 | 04/27/07
Needs/Wants  gotitright | 04/26/07
Ok  JDThompson | 04/26/07
Maybe some people want you to mind your own business on what car they drive  georgeou | 04/26/07
Not go with the crowd  pmshah@... | 04/27/07
The Market doesn't want to change  nucrash | 04/27/07
To answer your question  voska | 04/26/07
The issue is bloat, not cost  P. Douglas | 04/26/07
Define Bloated  voska | 04/26/07
Again, feature bloat is better than resource bloat  georgeou | 04/26/07
That's laziness, not a nightmare  JJQ1000 | 04/26/07
Still available as separate programs  hsec2@... | 04/30/07
So right you are...  GeiselS@... | 04/26/07
Been Dere Don Dat  D. T. Schmitz | 04/26/07
1 GB != 3 MB  georgeou | 04/26/07
Try Puppy Linux  pmshah@... | 04/27/07
I have used it, it's not my idea of a computing experience  georgeou | 04/27/07
What you really want  pmshah@... | 04/27/07
I want features and no resource bloat  georgeou | 04/28/07
200MB=3MB  thungurknifur | 04/30/07
Main point is Price  5ri | 04/26/07
$200 is the cost of the entire OEM suite  georgeou | 04/26/07
Price is behind Web Application infatuation  kmatzen@... | 04/26/07
How about just staying with the old version?  georgeou | 04/26/07
Backwards compatibility  thungurknifur | 04/30/07
Tell me where I can buy it  pmshah@... | 04/27/07
Do a search on Google, Yahoo, MSN, etc  georgeou | 04/27/07
I did  pmshah@... | 04/27/07
You're not searching the right places  georgeou | 04/28/07
Bad Analogy  dragosani | 04/26/07
You've got it right  WiredGuy | 04/26/07
But But But....  nucrash | 04/26/07
not "Word Lite"  Voodoo187 | 04/26/07
Not to mention MS Works  georgeou | 04/26/07
+1 for bad analogy  ejhonda | 04/26/07
If that grocery store cost $200 and fit on CD, I would buy it  georgeou | 04/26/07
re:If that grocery store cost $200 and fit on CD, I would buy it  jtiner | 04/26/07
What if the grocery store forced you to buy products you didnt want, like,  clarrieu | 05/06/07
Heh  khawaja.umar.farooq@... | 04/26/07
Right you are  pmshah@... | 04/27/07
For those complaining, a better analogy.  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/26/07
Sockets Sets  dragosani | 04/26/07
but there are different versions  Voodoo187 | 04/26/07
of course  Voodoo187 | 04/26/07
Yes  dragosani | 04/26/07
Features vs Programs  dragosani | 04/26/07
Use of the office suite is changing  xuniL_z | 04/26/07
ANd that is true of Office suites  No_Ax_to_Grind | 04/26/07
I agree except on Mechanics  dragosani | 04/26/07
Hmm  khawaja.umar.farooq@... | 04/26/07
Re 5000-piece professional-grade...  Namorado_TX | 04/26/07
My wife would disagree  voska | 04/26/07
But that's more in line with the UNIX philosophy  John L. Ries | 04/26/07
Yeah, and we all know how well UNIX did  georgeou | 04/26/07
Very well, thank you  John L. Ries | 04/26/07
Does everyone have to buy the 2000 piece tool set?  JJQ1000 | 04/26/07
OK with me  kmatzen@... | 04/26/07
Wrong way around  JJQ1000 | 04/27/07
Work on European vehicle  pmshah@... | 04/27/07
coding AJAX isn't hard  Voodoo187 | 04/26/07
uTorrent is 170KB - nt  georgeou | 04/26/07
irrelevant  Voodoo187 | 04/26/07
I've told you what I want, if it's not met, I don't move  georgeou | 04/26/07
Wordpad.exe uses MFC, MS Office doesn't  georgeou | 04/26/07
ROFL  TonyMcS | 04/26/07
Bloat is a necessity of software marketing  j.m.galvin | 04/26/07
Bloat is laziness, not necessity  JJQ1000 | 04/27/07
And don't forget file size  LittleGuy | 04/26/07
Numbers are off, but you're talking about cluster size  georgeou | 04/26/07
He isn't far off - hopefully correct reply this time  dragosani | 04/26/07
"Stocking" the features...  techboy_z | 04/26/07
You may add on -- and doesn't need an installer  aellath | 04/26/07
OpenOffice.org vs Microsoft Office  nucrash | 04/26/07
And Microsoft Agrees with My Opinion on Feature Bloat  nucrash | 04/26/07
Too many features to wade through  smokeyboy03801@... | 05/02/07
My philophy on featuritis  aceofspades1217@... | 04/26/07
One Counterpoint  TripleII | 04/26/07
Then use Works  georgeou | 04/26/07
BTW  pmshah@... | 04/27/07
Office feature bloat  jnlubken@... | 04/26/07
Wrong again George.  gregry | 04/26/07
I agree  John L. Ries | 04/26/07
Good, but bad.  kckn4fun | 04/26/07
You didn't HAVE to upgrade. you CHOSE to  j.m.galvin | 04/26/07
Startup time  Bucky24 | 04/26/07
You're forgetting the fact that MS Office is lighting fast  georgeou | 04/26/07
Not true  pmshah@... | 04/27/07
Great Analogy...  piperdown | 04/26/07
If grocery stores cost $200 and fits in my pocket, I'd buy one  georgeou | 04/26/07
Grocery store  rfenn | 04/26/07
Again, grocery stores don't fit in .5% of my pantry  georgeou | 04/26/07
He isn't far off  dragosani | 04/26/07
LOL - replied to the wrong one (nt)  dragosani | 04/26/07
If you had the option  pmshah@... | 04/27/07
You're really grabbing at straws  georgeou | 04/27/07
You are the lucky one  pmshah@... | 04/27/07
So what if it's 1% for the average person?  georgeou | 04/28/07
Every argument posted here has completely missed the point  bportlock | 04/26/07
I win, I win....hmmm, what do I win? grin  TripleII | 04/26/07
LOL  dragosani | 04/26/07
LOL!  bportlock | 04/26/07
Don't think you read my post  John L. Ries | 04/26/07
And you obviously don't use Office  TonyMcS | 04/26/07
Bzzt - flawed analogy AGAIN  piperdown | 04/26/07
See Talkback 62 0f 63 "Every argument posted ... missed the point"  Namorado_TX | 04/26/07
Not exactly  dragosani | 04/26/07
Interoperability and forced upgrades  GW Mahoney | 04/26/07
Waiting for Office to Open?  joe6pack_z | 04/26/07
Google's approach  JetJaguar | 04/26/07
I agree with you on some points  JDThompson | 04/26/07
The browser is the lowest common denominator  georgeou | 04/26/07
It's a BROWSER stupid!  TonyMcS | 04/26/07
Three answers  pmshah@... | 04/27/07
I agree entirely  pmshah@... | 04/26/07
most of us would be happy with 10% of the features  A.Lizard | 04/27/07
PlanMaker and TextMaker is your answer George.  nizuse | 04/27/07
90% argument is utterly stupid  georgeou | 04/28/07
Compatibility is good.  nizuse | 04/29/07
Office and its unsued features  mpasaa | 04/30/07
REAL WORLD IT for George means BUY ONLY Microsoft Warez.  nomorems | 05/04/07
Just Because My Hard Drive Is Bigger  clarrieu | 05/06/07

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